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CC Goku vs Yogiri Takatou

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Yeah.. immortality Type 5 is just unbound by life and death, it doesn't really grant resistance to EE.

5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.

So yeah, Goku's aura just erases him on a Info type 2, history, and conceptual type 1 level, paired that with multiple EE aspects from Time power, Power Of destruction and Universe tree's own EE power.
 
SageOfReason said:
In this Wiki, passives are considered something that is automatically active the moment the battle starts. They can come in many forms, such as an aura that is present at all times that can inflict its effects if contact is made with it (Goku's aura), or an ability that automatically activates when a condition is met (Yogiri's intent-based Instant Death)
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I told you even that won’t work. Any threat, regardless of what it is, will die. It doesn’t matter what his ability is or his resistance.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
As I told you, that would not negate Type 5 immortality. Types of immortality vary in strength, as you know, and they are not the same across all fictional works.
Type 5 immortality in Instant Death refers to characters who are outside the very concept of death itself, and they cannot be killed through erasure, instant death, or any of those methods.
Complete erasure and instant death are things that ordinary individuals in Instant Death can perform, and yet they can resist and return from these simple effects. So it is quite funny that you are saying erasing a character negates Type 5 immortality.
Since he does not have Type 5 immortality negation, this means he cannot kill him permanently, even if he erases him at that level, because he has not negated the immortality itself for a complete death.
I am not arguing with you here about Type 5 immortality, but Goku will die before any action regardless. The moment there is any threat whatsoever, he will die. Passive erasure or anything like that does not matter.
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Holy nlf,so let me ask you does yogiri immortality have feat of surviving 8 layers of concept type 1,info 2, history ee

If not he is getting erased regardless of immortality also no yogiri is getting powernulled instant or not Goku having immeasurable speed would make it look like yogiri along with his so called instant death ability would appear to be freezed from Goku's perspective

Also isn't death manip in ID carried out by just CM 2 ee?
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I told you even that won’t work. Any threat, regardless of what it is, will die. It doesn’t matter what his ability is or his resistance.
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in versus battles you will argue under vs wiki rules and what character accepted profile abilities has. If you want to argue differently simply move thread to F and G or outside of forum.
 
Hecky2222 said:
in versus battles you will argue under vs wiki rules and what character accepted profile abilities has. If you want to argue differently simply move thread to F and G or outside of forum.
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The problem is how you claim that Goku would passively erase Yogiri through his aura or something, while the same applies to Yogiri, since his killing intent can automatically activate against any threat, no matter what it is.
Why should we assume, for example, that his erasure ability would take precedence over instant death?
 
Azertyhuuh said:
The problem is how you claim that Goku would passively erase Yogiri through his aura or something, while the same applies to Yogiri, since his killing intent can automatically activate against any threat, no matter what it is.
Why should we assume, for example, that his erasure ability would take precedence over instant death?
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Goku seems like to resist 8 layers of Time Power which includes info and cm as well. So Yogiri instant erasure doesn't work here
 
Azertyhuuh said:
The problem is how you claim that Goku would passively erase Yogiri through his aura or something, while the same applies to Yogiri, since his killing intent can automatically activate against any threat, no matter what it is.
Why should we assume, for example, that his erasure ability would take precedence over instant death?
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Yeah.. That's more so thought based erasure vs Goku's passive.. Of course passive takes precedence over intent oriented abilities, even then Time power has like High Godly resurrection stuff which can restore space-times including the beings within it from its own erasure.
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Holy nlf,so let me ask you does yogiri immortality have feat of surviving 8 layers of concept type 1,info 2, history ee

If not he is getting erased regardless of immortality also no yogiri is getting powernulled instant or not Goku having immeasurable speed would make it look like yogiri along with his so called instant death ability would appear to be freezed from Goku's perspective

Also isn't death manip in ID carried out by just CM 2 ee?
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Wrong.
Yogiri can also kill characters with immeasurable speed.
His ability activates against any threat, no matter what it is, so he would not be able to do anything with his passive abilities if that were the case.
 
Hecky2222 said:
Goku seems like to resist 8 layers of Time Power which includes info and cm as well. So Yogiri instant erasure doesn't work here
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Yogiri doesn't have erasure anymore, it got removed and changed back to death manip.
 
Shar122 said:
Yeah.. That's more so thought based erasure vs Goku's passive.. Of course passive takes precedence over intent oriented abilities, even then Time power has like High Godly resurrection stuff which can restore space-times including the beings within it from its own erasure.
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Who told you it is related to thought?? Any threat that endangers Yogiri will trigger the ability. It does not depend on intention, thought, or anything like that.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
The problem is how you claim that Goku would passively erase Yogiri through his aura or something, while the same applies to Yogiri, since his killing intent can automatically activate against any threat, no matter what it is.
Why should we assume, for example, that his erasure ability would take precedence over instant death?
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That's what layers are for. Let's do a comparison: Goku has 8 layers of Info Type 2 manipulation and resistance, and Yogiri has 5 layers of Info Type 2 manipulation and resistance. Since Goku has the higher layer count, his info Type 2 manipulation and resistance will be superior to Yogiri's, allowing Goku to both resist and bypass Yogiri's manipulation of, and resistance to Info Type 2, respectively.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
No, it seems you are misunderstanding Yogiri’s ability.
The intent to kill and targeting alone is enough to kill that person.
It is not about thinking or anything like that. The moment you are a threat to Takatou Yogiri, you will die. It does not matter what you are or how you attack—you will die simply because you are considered a threat.
It is not about thought, action, intention, or anything else. The moment you decide by any means to erase Yogiri, you will be considered a threat and you will die. That is all.
Passive erasure is not what you are claiming either. How can it not involve thinking or doing anything at all? I’m honestly dying of laughter. Of course there must be some factor for his passive erasure ability to activate—otherwise how would it not activate automatically against anyone he sees? Haha, no, seriously, I’m dying of laughter.
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Speed is unequalised. I recently saw that ID was immeasurable in speed since it affected a God I think it was that had immeasurable speed? Well, the passives in Dragon Ball Heroes can affect a series of characters with immeasurable speed on 2 temporal dimensions. Unless you can prove anything in ID matches to that speed, I don’t think we can argue ID passive < CC Goku passive. It also doesn’t help that CC Goku’s passive are all significantly effective, CC can induce erasure which would permanently put Yogiri down since he has no feats of regeneration on that level or resisting EE on that degree.

The “passive” erasure doesn’t necessarily require thinking since it’s passive. Passives typically don’t require thought to activate either and activate in, 0 seconds/infinite speed. If Yogiri’s ID is intention based then he gets hard countered in that degree since there’s no actual intention to sense. Unless you’re trying to argue information analysis? Or even instinctive action? How would he even know an ability is about to hit him if it’s something that’s considered beyond his comprehension in terms of abstraction and layers? Plus the historical erasure alone, would be undoing everything from Yogiri simultaneously across all points in time. In other words, Yogiri’s ID wouldn’t have a chance to activate, he’d lose access to ID, the erasure itself would alter a multitude of things including his birth and other events that contribute to his existence and he’d be effectively erased across all points in time (obviously).

I honestly don’t need to mention any other passive since if he has no resistance to even history erasure he gets done in. Badly. CC Goku’s statistics are literally built for having the FIRST move here. There’s no way he wouldn’t lose.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Wrong.
Yogiri can also kill characters with immeasurable speed.
His ability activates against any threat, no matter what it is, so he would not be able to do anything with his passive abilities if that were the case.
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Read what I said in my previous message yogiri having immeasurable speed here would still not be enough to outspend Goku who has immeasurable speed on level of a hypertimeline
 
Since Yogiri's CM Type 2-based death manipulation has only 5 layers, it won't be able to bypass Goku's 8 layer resistance to CM type 1 manipulation/erasure.
 
SageOfReason said:
That's what layers are for. Let's do a comparison: Goku has 8 layers of Info Type 2 manipulation and resistance, and Yogiri has 5 layers of Info Type 2 manipulation and resistance. Since Goku has the higher layer count, his info Type 2 manipulation and resistance will be superior to Yogiri's, allowing Goku to both resist and bypass Yogiri's manipulation of, and resistance to Info Type 2, respectively.
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Hahaha, and can he resist Death Manipulation (5 layers)? Or do you think Goku will just come back to life after dying? Hahahahaha, there is no resistance to Death Manipulation (5 layers) in his profile, so nothing has changed.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Who told you it is related to thought?? Any threat that endangers Yogiri will trigger the ability. It does not depend on intention, thought, or anything like that.
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So before it already triggered. He already got erased due to his aura, but even then Time power has HGR. Goku can just undo it.
 
If speed is unequalized, it's even worse.... Goku is 1 layer of immeasurable speed, while Yogiri is only baselines...

This is a Stomp, but if you insist, it's not, voting Goku.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Wrong.
Yogiri can also kill characters with immeasurable speed.
His ability activates against any threat, no matter what it is, so he would not be able to do anything with his passive abilities if that were the case.
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Goku has a higher level of Immeasurable Speed than anything in Instant Death. His passives are hitting first.
 
Wouldn’t the Keysword just act as a barrier for Goku and protect him from the death hax? The Keysword and Goku both resist TP and TP has conceptual shenanigans. Not to mention Conceptual manipulation type 1 erasure, not 2. As the page states it’s also abundant that type 1 has superiority over 2 for obvious reasons and there’s no logical approach for CC Goku somehow resisting CM1 erasure fuckery but not CM2 erasure/CM2 death hax. Power nullification works in the sense that it nullifies based on potency. Power nullification that nulls CM1 would obviously be able to nullify water manip, the same way it’d also be able to nullify CM2. Goku’s aura would be nullifying ID and so would the Keysword, it’s literally a barrier stacked upon a barrier.
 
Allat wank from both sides to be base Goku victims
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Azertyhuuh said:
Hahaha, and can he resist Death Manipulation (5 layers)? Or do you think Goku will just come back to life after dying? Hahahahaha, there is no resistance to Death Manipulation (5 layers) in his profile, so nothing has changed.
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Do note that in this Wiki, Yogiri's Instant Death is based on Conceptual Manipulation Type 2. What that means is that his death manipulation is conceptual in nature, something that Goku can deal with.
 
Shar122 said:
So before it already triggered. He already got erased due to his aura, but even then Time power has HGR. Goku can just undo it.
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Hahahahaha, funny, funny, funny. Don't you know that the characters he kills never return, whether through resurrection or anything else?
Don't you know that the absorption he possesses is called "Ultimate Annihilation"? (His identity, perception, form, information, concept, thoughts—everything he owns will be reduced to nothingness). The World of Darkness contains nothing but void, and no character can survive it in any way, no matter what.
Instant Transmission won't work, immeasurable speed won't work, senses and everything else will be useless in this void.
Everything melts within it and is permanently erased.
How will Goku survive? Even power itself melts within
it.
 
Should this be closed? I think we have already come to a conclusion and a lot of these arguments seem to be heavily NLF which have been addressed already.
 
Hahaha, hahaha, hahaha... It seems everyone here doesn't understand the meaning of the absorption Yogiri possesses, lol. I’m dying of laughter.
They think it’s just ordinary absorption
.
 
I hope you realise this Goku can resist absorption from Chaos ball

Chaos ball can absorb the entire dbh cosmology consisting of infinite 6d hypertimelines and metaphysical aspects of the series so yes yogiri absorption isn't doing anything to goku
 
CC Goku resist Absorption that absorbed the DBH cosmology (like the chaos ball) and the Dark Factor's Absorption as well.
 
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