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CC Goku vs Yogiri Takatou

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i dont think @Azertyhuuh understands CM 1>>>>CM 2

or he probably doesn't even realize that goku has cm 1 and info 2
That’s probably it but he thinks Yogiri could beat Goku so it’s probably best to debate it here, no hostility just reasoning. I have a feeling if we just shut it down and had Goku winning he’d have some issues with it.
 
It should be noted that this version of Goku has 8 layers of Time Power. He also has a passive aura infused with Time Power that can crush people with infinite 6-D potency, as well as erase people on a conceptual (type 1), informational (type 2), and historical (6-D) level, with this erasure also possessing 8 layers.
 
Unfortunately, I opened another comparison and didn’t realize you had already opened this one haha.
That’s fine we should probably use this thread the only downside is that this thread has no tags since I forgot to add some but I asked a mod to add some and he should soon hopefully
 
I see. How many layers does SDBH have?
8 if we’re talking about TP which is what CC Goku uses in this form, along with other energies such as P.O.D and Universe Tree all of which have Aura which induces EE of multiple aspects
 
For those who are unfamiliar with SDBH, I would recommend reading the Time Power page so that you can see what powers, abilities, and resistances it gives you.
 
i dont think @Azertyhuuh understands CM 1>>>>CM 2

or he probably doesn't even realize that goku has cm 1 and info 2
Where is Type 2 information manipulation? It is not listed in his profile, so I will not believe you. Don’t tell me he has it if it is not there—I only trust what I can see and what is explicitly stated.

Second, I know that conceptual manipulation Type 1 is stronger than Type 2.

The argument is that Goku cannot negate Type 5 immortality.
The reason Goku would lose is that he would not be able to use any ability at all, because he would die before any action begins. Yogiri’s attack precedes actions themselves, meaning Goku would die the moment he thinks about targeting Yogiri.
 
8 if we’re talking about TP which is what CC Goku uses in this form, along with other energies such as P.O.D and Universe Tree all of which have Aura which induces EE of multiple aspects
If it includes information and concept then it is stomp and mismatch. Yogurt cant attack more than 5.
 
It should be noted that this version of Goku has 8 layers of Time Power. He also has a passive aura infused with Time Power that can crush people with infinite 6-D potency, as well as erase people on a conceptual (type 1), informational (type 2), and historical (6-D) level, with this erasure also possessing 8 layers.
For those who are unfamiliar with SDBH, I would recommend reading the Time Power page so that you can see what powers, abilities, and resistances it gives you.
It doesn’t matter how many abilities he has or how many layers… I already know all of that, and it doesn’t matter.

Goku will die before the fight even begins, because he will die before any possible action, so the discussion is over.
 
Where is Type 2 information manipulation? It is not listed in his profile, so I will not believe you. Don’t tell me he has it if it is not there—I only trust what I can see and what is explicitly stated.

Second, I know that conceptual manipulation Type 1 is stronger than Type 2.

The argument is that Goku cannot negate Type 5 immortality.
The reason Goku would lose is that he would not be able to use any ability at all, because he would die before any action begins. Yogiri’s attack precedes actions themselves, meaning Goku would die the moment he thinks about targeting Yogiri.
This version of Goku has access to Time Power. Information manipulation (Type 2) is listed in the Time Power page
 
It doesn’t matter how many abilities he has or how many layers… I already know all of that, and it doesn’t matter.

Goku will die before the fight even begins, because he will die before any possible action, so the discussion is over.
His erasure is passive, meaning he doesn't need any action, movement, or thought to have them be active. He doesn't need to do anything to have his abilities affect Yogiri. Not only that, Goku's aura has an AP crush potency of infinite 6-D, meaning Yogiri will get instantly incapacitated. Furthermore, Goku has an ability called Dimensional Domain (DD), which would instantly set Yogiri's stamina to a bare minimum. It is important to note that DD can work on Androids, beings who possess infinite stamina.
 
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Type 5 immortality is that you can't just kill that person with regular means ee just works fine on type 5 immortality guys

Anyway CC Goku just passively powernulls and erases yogiri out of existence
 
Where is Type 2 information manipulation? It is not listed in his profile, so I will not believe you. Don’t tell me he has it if it is not there—I only trust what I can see and what is explicitly stated.

Second, I know that conceptual manipulation Type 1 is stronger than Type 2.

The argument is that Goku cannot negate Type 5 immortality.
The reason Goku would lose is that he would not be able to use any ability at all, because he would die before any action begins. Yogiri’s attack precedes actions themselves, meaning Goku would die the moment he thinks about targeting Yogiri.
CC Goku’s profile is quite large and is embedded in pages such as the Time Power page which requires you to look at thoroughly to understand the extent of his abilities and power. Information manipulation type 2 exists due to Ziku world

If you’d like to read in full, refer to this page. Time Power, P.O.D and Universe Tree energy can erase the entire multiverse if I’m not wrong and the multiverse is composed of data and information thanks to the Ziku world.
 
Type 5 immortality is that you can't just kill that person with regular means ee just works fine on type 5 immortality guys

Anyway CC Goku just passively powernulls and erases yogiri out of existence
No.
Type 5 immortality refers to entities that are outside the entire concept of death, and they cannot be killed by any means whatsoever, whether through erasure or any other method.
Since Goku does not possess Type 5 immortality negation, you cannot say that erasing him would negate immortality. Yes, erasure would work, but it would not negate immortality itself, smart one—he does not have Type 5 immortality negation.
 
Type 5 immortality refers to entities that are outside the entire concept of death, and they cannot be killed by any means whatsoever, whether through erasure or any other method.
🙄 This is VSBattles Wiki where it has own rules(read bruh) not Azerty Wiki where you make up own rules
 
It doesn’t matter how many abilities he has or how many layers… I already know all of that, and it doesn’t matter.

Goku will die before the fight even begins, because he will die before any possible action, so the discussion is over.
That’s not how it works. Speed is unequalised so Goku has his standard immeasurable speed. If Goku is moving at speeds beyond linear time which Yogiri has no mention or feats of responding to, he’s going to get blitzed and haxxed to oblivion. Is ID or instant death what you’re referring to? Instant death seems to be a passive since its intention based. The idea of wanting to kill Yogiri would inflict the passive effect of death manip, that wouldn’t work if this passive in question is infinite in speed. ID needs actual feats of being able to track intentions or thoughts operating at immeasurable speeds, otherwise the passive wouldn’t activate in time to conveniently kill Goku. Assuming that Goku is inflicted with the passive death hax, Goku can be brought back thanks to his immortality/regen.
 
No.
Type 5 immortality refers to entities that are outside the entire concept of death, and they cannot be killed by any means whatsoever, whether through erasure or any other method.
Since Goku does not possess Type 5 immortality negation, you cannot say that erasing him would negate immortality. Yes, erasure would work, but it would not negate immortality itself, smart one—he does not have Type 5 immortality negation.
I hope you read what immortality type 5 says on the page it doesn't say they are immune to erasure lol infact erasure is one of the ways to kill them

Goku is gonna erase yogiri on level of CM type 1,info 2 and history level in such a way that yogiri never existed in any moment of time also i don't even see any regen rating on yogiri so he doesn't really have any means of coming back from Goku's erasure

Heck even if I take what you are saying at face value yogiri is gonna get incapped again and again not to mention all of his abilities would be nullified passively
 
His erasure is passive, meaning he doesn't need any action, movement, or thought to have them be active. He doesn't need to do anything to have his abilities affect Yogiri. Not only that, Goku's aura has an AP crush potency of infinite 6-D, meaning Yogiri will get instantly incapacitated. Furthermore, Goku has an ability called Dimensional Domain (DD), which would instantly set Yogiri's stamina to a bare minimum. It is important to note that DD can work on Androids, beings who possess infinite stamina.
No, it seems you are misunderstanding Yogiri’s ability.
The intent to kill and targeting alone is enough to kill that person.
It is not about thinking or anything like that. The moment you are a threat to Takatou Yogiri, you will die. It does not matter what you are or how you attack—you will die simply because you are considered a threat.
It is not about thought, action, intention, or anything else. The moment you decide by any means to erase Yogiri, you will be considered a threat and you will die. That is all.
Passive erasure is not what you are claiming either. How can it not involve thinking or doing anything at all? I’m honestly dying of laughter. Of course there must be some factor for his passive erasure ability to activate—otherwise how would it not activate automatically against anyone he sees? Haha, no, seriously, I’m dying of laughter.
 
Also how the hell is this even fair I just saw speed being unequalised yogiri would just appeared to be stopped in Goku's perception including his passives
 
Also how the hell is this even fair I just saw speed being unequalised yogiri would just appeared to be stopped in Goku's perception including his passives
Azerty said immeasurable speed wouldn’t matter so I unequalised speed.
No, it seems you are misunderstanding Yogiri’s ability.
The intent to kill and targeting alone is enough to kill that person.
It is not about thinking or anything like that. The moment you are a threat to Takatou Yogiri, you will die. It does not matter what you are or how you attack—you will die simply because you are considered a threat.
It is not about thought, action, intention, or anything else. The moment you decide by any means to erase Yogiri, you will be considered a threat and you will die. That is all.
Passive erasure is not what you are claiming either. How can it not involve thinking or doing anything at all? I’m honestly dying of laughter. Of course there must be some factor for his passive erasure ability to activate—otherwise how would it not activate automatically against anyone he sees? Haha, no, seriously, I’m dying of laughter.
I’ll respond to this soon
 
Also how the hell is this even fair I just saw speed being unequalised yogiri would just appeared to be stopped in Goku's perception including his passives
ID has accepted immeasurable speed and Yogurt hax affected already someone who has im speed, so speed isn't problem here but Yogurt seems like still gets hax stomped
 
No.
Type 5 immortality refers to entities that are outside the entire concept of death, and they cannot be killed by any means whatsoever, whether through erasure or any other method.
Since Goku does not possess Type 5 immortality negation, you cannot say that erasing him would negate immortality. Yes, erasure would work, but it would not negate immortality itself, smart one—he does not have Type 5 immortality negation.
This is not true. You can absolutely kill a Type 5 immortal with Existence Erasure.

Anyway, Goku stomps.
 
I hope you read what immortality type 5 says on the page it doesn't say they are immune to erasure lol infact erasure is one of the ways to kill them

Goku is gonna erase yogiri on level of CM type 1,info 2 and history level in such a way that yogiri never existed in any moment of time also i don't even see any regen rating on yogiri so he doesn't really have any means of coming back from Goku's erasure

Heck even if I take what you are saying at face value yogiri is gonna get incapped again and again not to mention all of his abilities would be nullified passively
As I told you, that would not negate Type 5 immortality. Types of immortality vary in strength, as you know, and they are not the same across all fictional works.
Type 5 immortality in Instant Death refers to characters who are outside the very concept of death itself, and they cannot be killed through erasure, instant death, or any of those methods.
Complete erasure and instant death are things that ordinary individuals in Instant Death can perform, and yet they can resist and return from these simple effects. So it is quite funny that you are saying erasing a character negates Type 5 immortality.
Since he does not have Type 5 immortality negation, this means he cannot kill him permanently, even if he erases him at that level, because he has not negated the immortality itself for a complete death.
I am not arguing with you here about Type 5 immortality, but Goku will die before any action regardless. The moment there is any threat whatsoever, he will die. Passive erasure or anything like that does not matter.
 
ID has accepted immeasurable speed and Yogurt hax affected already someone who has im speed, so speed isn't problem here but Yogurt seems like still gets hax stomped
I don't see any immeasurable speed rating on yogiris profile was it not updated

Anyway even if that's the case dbh characters immeasurable speed scales to hypertimeline levels so they gave superior speed regardless
 
This is not true. You can absolutely kill a Type 5 immortal with Existence Erasure.

Anyway, Goku stomps.
So why do characters in Instant Death who have Type 5 immortality not die from existence erasure or instant death? Do you think immortality types and their strength are the same across all fictional works?

You have not provided any reason for choosing Goku. Also, I am not only discussing Type 5 immortality itself—Goku will die before performing any action regardless of what that action is. Any threat will result in death, whether it is passive or anything else. The only important factor is that it is a threat.
 
No, it seems you are misunderstanding Yogiri’s ability.
The intent to kill and targeting alone is enough to kill that person.
It is not about thinking or anything like that. The moment you are a threat to Takatou Yogiri, you will die. It does not matter what you are or how you attack—you will die simply because you are considered a threat.
It is not about thought, action, intention, or anything else. The moment you decide by any means to erase Yogiri, you will be considered a threat and you will die. That is all.
Passive erasure is not what you are claiming either. How can it not involve thinking or doing anything at all? I’m honestly dying of laughter. Of course there must be some factor for his passive erasure ability to activate—otherwise how would it not activate automatically against anyone he sees? Haha, no, seriously, I’m dying of laughter.
In this Wiki, passives are considered something that is automatically active the moment the battle starts. They can come in many forms, such as an aura that is present at all times that can inflict its effects if contact is made with it (Goku's aura), or an ability that automatically activates when a condition is met (Yogiri's intent-based Instant Death). At the absolute minimum, this fight would be inconclusive, with Yogiri getting erased and Goku getting killed because of his intent to harm Yogiri, events that will occur simultaneously.
 
I don't see any immeasurable speed rating on yogiris profile was it not updated

Anyway even if that's the case dbh characters immeasurable speed scales to hypertimeline levels so they gave superior speed regardless
The gods have immeasurable speed in Instant Death, and they are all victims of Yogiri.
Immeasurable speed is completely useless against him.
 
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