Rick and Morty Cosmology Downgrade

[Antvasima]

Can you or somebody else write a summary of what we need to evaluate here please? That way we might be able to reach a conclusion.

 

[FinePoint]

Can you or somebody else write a summary of what we need to evaluate here please? That way we might be able to reach a conclusion.

Central Finite Curve:
It is a finite section of the multiverse, yet contains infinite universes. Mathematically, this must mean the multiverse contains uncountably infinite universes (because only in uncountable infinities can you take a finite slice and have it still be infinite, and it would still be uncountably so).
This would make the curve the size of a universe + one dimension, and the multiverse infinitely larger than that.

There hasn't been any logical counter to this premise itself, but some may find the evidence insufficient to prove this is actually the case here.

Polyvector Gem:
In one of the comics there's a gem that Rick says "extends into spatial dimensions you can't see". Rick is a reliable source, so only the interpretation of his statement is under question.
One side says that this must make it 6D, since time is not spatial and it mentions multiple dimensions.
Some have suggested it makes it 5D, since time might be spatial given that 4D creatures seem physical in nature (the time cops).

I and a few others have argued that it is irrelevant, since no matter what dimensionality the gem is, that doesn't necessitate the universe it's in also being that dimensionality.
The opposition has counter-argued that canonically there's nothing but a dimensionless void outside the multiverse, so it can't exist anywhere but inside the multiverse.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you, and which staff members have helped out here previously, so we can ping them?

 

[FinePoint]

Thank you, and which staff members have helped out here previously, so we can ping them?

Just @Qawsedf234 and @Vietthai96.

 

[Antvasima]

Central Finite Curve:
It is a finite section of the multiverse, yet contains infinite universes. Mathematically, this must mean the multiverse contains uncountably infinite universes (because only in uncountable infinities can you take a finite slice and have it still be infinite, and it would still be uncountably so).
This would make the curve the size of a universe + one dimension, and the multiverse infinitely larger than that.

There hasn't been any logical counter to this premise itself, but some may find the evidence insufficient to prove this is actually the case here.

Pyramid:
In one of the comics there's a pyramid that Rick says "extends into spatial dimensions you can't see". Rick is a reliable source, so only the interpretation of his statement is under question.
One side says that this must make it 6D, since time is not spatial and it mentions multiple dimensions.
Some have suggested it makes it 5D, since time might be spatial given that 4D creatures seem physical in nature (the time cops).

I and a few others have argued that it is irrelevant, since no matter what dimensionality the pyramid is, that doesn't necessitate the universe it's in also being that dimensionality.
The opposition has counter-argued that canonically there's nothing but a dimensionless void outside the multiverse, so it can't exist anywhere but inside the multiverse.

@Qawsedf234 @Vietthai96

What do you think about this?

 

[Vietthai96]

I think i'm fine with FinePoint's post, unless something new being brought up

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[FinePoint]

I think i'm fine with FinePoint's post, unless something new being brought up

My last post contains multiple sides. Just to be clear, you're saying you agree with my position?

 

[Vietthai96]

My last post contains multiple sides. Just to be clear, you're saying you agree with my position?

yeah, i'm oke with your points

 

[Antvasima]

Do you support the "Central Finite Curve"?

 

[Vietthai96]

Do you support the "Central Finite Curve"?

The Central Finite Curve part is oke, since if a finite slice having infinite universes, then the entire infinite whole of it will contain uncountable infinite universes, thus +1D

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine to me as well then.

 

[ShionAH]

yeah, i'm oke with your points

You disagree with my counter argument for the Pyramid? How could there be dimensions outside the Multiverse like you all are claiming right now?

Or am I missing something about whats being evaluated

 

[Vietthai96]

You disagree with my counter argument for the Pyramid? How could there be dimensions outside the Multiverse like you all are claiming right now?

Or am I missing something about whats being evaluated

What is the counter for the Pyramid again?. I can't really keep track of everything with how many CRTs i need to evaluated.

Anyway, i have rechecked my old posts and i agreed with the Multiverse having additional spatial axes, but that it, unless you want to argue about the Universe having those additional axes which I disagree with.

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do you think about this?

Fine with the Central Curve arguments from FinePoint

 

[ItzBanee]

6D is well supported since there are 3 Spatial dimensions that Morty can see + 2 Spatial dimensions he can not see + 1 dimension of time.

I will be honest, I am unsure of the 7D "paradimensional" arguments, but 6D is well supported by the polyvector gem.

 

[ShionAH]

What is the counter for the Pyramid again?

The opposition has counter-argued that canonically there's nothing but a dimensionless void outside the multiverse, so it can't exist anywhere but inside the multiverse.

If you agree these additional dimensions are in the multiverse, great. That means I misinterpreted your comment as you said you agree with Fine Point who was questioning that still.

So I guess all three staff members agree with the Central Finite Curve having a +1D due to uncountable timelines.

Viet agrees the spatial dimensions are inside the multiverse, Qawsed didn’t say anything of it yet disagreed with OP’s downgrades at the start as far as I remember.

@FinePoint do you still believe the Gem’s dimensions are outside the multiverse or do you concede on that point?

After those voted and clarifications I BELIEVE we might be done??

 

[FinePoint]

@FinePoint do you still believe the Gem’s dimensions are outside the multiverse or do you concede on that point?

"...reatroactively expelled me from all realities and now I'm stuck in a non-dimensional potentiality stratum of Ricks so lame that they never even existed."

I'm not sure how this proves there's nothing other than the multiverse.

 

[Vietthai96]

"...reatroactively expelled me from all realities and now I'm stuck in a non-dimensional potentiality stratum of Ricks so lame that they never even existed."

This mean dude was expelled from all reality or in other word the physically existing multiverse. The outside of it would be a non-dimensional realm, in other word, a void with nonexistent dimensions

 

[FinePoint]

This mean dude was expelled from all reality or in other word the physically existing multiverse. The outside of it would be a non-dimensional realm, in other word, a void with nonexistent dimensions

Okay, but he didn't actually say multiverse here, he said all realities.

This is where he went after being erased from reality, why are we now claiming that's what must be all that's outside the multiverse?

 

[Vietthai96]

Okay, but he didn't actually say multiverse here, he said all realities.

This is where he went after being erased from reality, why are we now claiming that's what must be all that's outside the multiverse?

I don't think you need to actually spell out the multiverse for it to mean the multiverse. All reality already mean similar in context

I mean, if the reality was erased, what left is a void of nothingness, that mean the void isn't a part of the multiverse. Though i just based on what was show to me

 

[FinePoint]

I don't think you need to actually spell out the multiverse for it to mean the multiverse. All reality already mean similar in context

I mean, if the reality was erased, what left is a void of nothingness, that mean the void isn't a part of the multiverse. Though i just based on what was show to me

Well, if the multiverse was erased and this void was left in its place, that would sort of imply the multiverse is nested in this void, not that they're separate things.

If that's the case, it's possible the 6D object is outside of the multiverse, also suspended in the same void, just separately.

 

[Vietthai96]

If that's the case, it's possible the 6D object is outside of the multiverse, also suspended in the same void, just separately.

Unless you have proof, this is kind of a stretch, since the multiverse was nested in a void, that mean the void should not have any underlying dimensional axes thus left only the multiverse have it.

Also higher-dimensional object and being can exist within the multiverse mean it need to have additional dimensions in itself to support the existence of those things (and before anyone jumping on me, having additional dimensions doesn't automatically mean higher tier i.e insigificant dimensions)

 

[FinePoint]

Also higher-dimensional object and being can exist within the multiverse mean it need to have additional dimensions in itself to support the existence of those things (and before anyone jumping on me, having additional dimensions doesn't automatically mean higher tier i.e insigificant dimensions)

Well they essentially want to scale the verse to 1-C based off this, just so you're aware.

 

[Vietthai96]

Well they essentially want to scale the verse to 1-C based off this, just so you're aware.

Hmm, i only agree with the multiverse being 1-C, idk about the scaling

 

[FinePoint]

Hmm, i only agree with the multiverse being 1-C, idk about the scaling

Basically Rick can affect the central finite curve (he created it), which must have the same dimensionality as the multiverse.

 

[Vietthai96]

Shit is so confusing, so what is Central Finite Curve's place within the cosmology, is it < multiverse or > the multiverse?

 

[FinePoint]

Shit is so confusing, so what is Central Finite Curve's place within the cosmology, is it < multiverse or > the multiverse?

The Multiverse is the uncountably infinite collection of universes.

The Central Finite Curve is, literally, a finite slice of this multiverse.

So it's infinitely smaller, but the same dimensionality.

 

[Vietthai96]

The Multiverse is the uncountably infinite collection of universes.

The Central Finite Curve is, literally, a finite slice of this multiverse.

So it's infinitely smaller, but the same dimensionality.

So the HDE alien (?) is existing within the universe or the multiverse?

 

[ShionAH]

Basically Rick can affect the central finite curve (he created it), which must have the same dimensionality as the multiverse.

Not even fully true. Rick can also affect the Multiverse. That’s also why he scales to this level.

I think you are seriously scretching. I already bring good points with evidence about why this is a baseless claim, at this point YOU need to provide evidence.

 

[ShionAH]

So the HDE alien (?) is existing within the universe or the multiverse?

We saw those 5 dimensional aliens can travel inbetween realities, basically in the Multiverse where they chased Rick. They are also able to enter universes which is where they fought the girls.