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Symbol of Fear vs Final Bastion of Reason (Tomura Shigaraki vs Julius Novachrono) [5-15-7]

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Danger sense has never functioned as an optional ability at all
That's really dumb but I guess I'll try to make a CRT for that later since he didn't even have the damn power for more than like five minutes at best before he died. In any case that doesn't matter here, what is this dude gonna do about Danger Sense screaming war sirens in Shiggy's head about how much of a threat he is and that causing Shiggy to blitz and decay him immediately?
 
That's really dumb but I guess I'll try to make a CRT for that later since he didn't even have the damn power for more than like five minutes at best before he died.
Because it doesn’t matter how long he had the power for. He still obtained the ability within the arc. The Complete Shigaraki key indexes the entire arc including when he stole danger sense. You can’t make it an optional ability either because it’s not an equipment nor a possibly/likely rating.

You can try making a new key called “Danger Sense stolen” but that key would be really redundant for a single addition that didn’t contribute to anything else that Therefir would probably nuke it.

Also following the match
 
Because it doesn’t matter how long he had the power for. He still obtained the ability within the arc. The Complete Shigaraki key indexes the entire arc including when he stole danger sense. You can’t make it an optional ability either because it’s not an equipment nor a possibly/likely rating.

You can try making a new key called “Danger Sense stolen” but that key would be really redundant for a single addition that didn’t contribute to anything else that Therefir would probably nuke it.

Also following the match
I don't care. That's still stupid.
 
You can try making a new key called “Danger Sense stolen” but that key would be really redundant for a single addition that didn’t contribute to anything else that Therefir would probably nuke it.
at that point, you might as well make a second incomplete key which is the exact same as the incomplete key but without reflect and scatter in his powers and abilities
 
at that point, you might as well make a second incomplete key which is the exact same as the incomplete key but without reflect and scatter in his powers and abilities
(Making a separate key for danger sense is the equivalent of giving Deku a Post OFA/Final War Key. There’s a reason why that key got nuked)
 
I'm not even saying it needs a new key, I'm just saying it should be noted on the profile that you should have to specify if he has it or not.
 
what is this dude gonna do about Danger Sense screaming war sirens in Shiggy's head about how much of a threat he is and that causing Shiggy to blitz and decay him immediately?
Well I don't remember that ever being Shiggy's first move, but Julius himself has 2 ways of precog, teleportation, thought based time hax combined with mana zone (spatial hax) on defence
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and his first moves in character are either Chrono Stasis (time stop) or Time Acceleration (dura neg/EE)
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Guys guys, I'm just gonna say that danger sense is included, you can argue about it later 🙏
Then Shiggy is gonna go for the blitz right out the gate because he only screws around when he knows that he can beat the brakes off of whoever he's fighting and he's not going to do that when Danger Sense is screaming air sirens in his mind to not **** with this guy.
 
Also, Mana zone and Mana skin would boost his stats so that also allows him to at least use the spell alongside precog
 
Well I don't remember that ever being Shiggy's first move
Shigaraki would absolutely try to one-shot him if Danger Sense starts tweaking out. But if Julius decides to play passively and lets Shigaraki lead the fight, then his first move would probably be a widespread decay to try to finish the fight quickly, flatten the surroundings, destroy any cover, and just test the waters.



even standing the wake of his decay would be a challenge, considering the giant toxic dust clouds it leaves behind, which would both obscure vision and obviously make it difficult to breathe. Not to Shigaraki himself, though.

Well I don't remember that ever being Shiggy's first move, but Julius himself has 2 ways of precog, teleportation, thought based time hax combined with mana zone (spatial hax) on defence
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Aside from the insta-kill quirk combos, Shigaraki also has other ways to get around a speed issue. One is Danger Sense, which can sense someone's hostility and bloodlust while also letting him gauge an opponent's strength. It's not true precognition, but does give him an early warning to every incoming attack and allows him to move away in advance. The other would be his analytical prediction, which is powerful enough to predict attacks that are too fast to perceive . Other things worth mentioning include Search, which will give him a constant view on Julius' position, while also alerting him of weaknesses and openings. And his adaptation. His body is constantly shifting and morphing to find the perfect form, which passively makes him stronger, faster, and more durable depending on the situation at hand, and he can even shed into a whole new body that combines his previous adaptations. Honestly, I find it hard to believe Julius would even touch him. I also find it hard to believe Julius would be able to exhaust him like he did to Patry before he exhausts his own mana supply, given Shigaraki's Nomu physiology.

and his first moves in character are either Chrono Stasis (time stop) or Time Acceleration (dura neg/EE)
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i don't understand how chrono stasis works, but this specific use of Time Acceleration isn't doing anything. Julius isn't getting that close to Shigaraki and staying there before getting instantly swatted by his masses of hands, rivet stabs, shockwaves, beams, or Shigaraki's own natural strength. Search and Danger Sense would alert him of the move, and he'd already have something pre-fired.
 
Then Shiggy is gonna go for the blitz right out the gate because he only screws around when he knows that he can beat the brakes off of whoever he's fighting and he's not going to do that when Danger Sense is screaming air sirens in his mind to not **** with this guy.
I dont see how getting a vague feeling of danger gonna mean Shiggy going to automatically jump into blitzes, and why can't Julius just tp time stop before that?
So inconclusive, if the blitz works and the spell also works, both are dead
If the spell works, Shiggy doesnt touch Julius and gets incapped
Shigaraki would absolutely try to one-shot him if Danger Sense starts tweaking out
I mean trying to one shot and using all his quirks to amp himself is a bit different
All it would tell him is that there's some "danger" (if that translates to detecting hax even)
even standing the wake of his decay would be a challenge, considering the giant toxic dust clouds it leaves behind, which would both obscure vision and obviously make it difficult to breathe. Not to Shigaraki himself, though.
That shouldnt be much of an issue to since Julius can fly and tp, and with mana zone + precog he doesnt need to see
Aside from the insta-kill quirk combos, Shigaraki also has other ways to get around a speed issue. One is Danger Sense, which can sense someone's hostility and bloodlust while also letting him gauge an opponent's strength
What is "strength" here, because Julius would be much weaker pure brute strength wise. And I dont think simply sensing hostility would make him go crazy
Sure, but it seems he has to adjust to his opponent first, and none of Julius moves would allow him to do that, he cant read a Chrono Stasis appearing on himself, or Julius tping and doing a time acceleration blast to one shot Shiggy
Sure can agree to both. Julius himself tho can see into the future to anticipate attacks, and can also grow better at his predictions over time, to the point where he starts overwhelming someone who was previously faster
His body is constantly shifting and morphing to find the perfect form, which passively makes him stronger, faster, and more durable depending on the situation at hand, and he can even shed into a whole new body that combines his previous adaptations.
I mean we can both agree this fight ends fast regardless of who wins, so it's not going to come to that
Honestly, I find it hard to believe Julius would even touch him
I dont see how Shiggy is escaping mana zone + something like this, it would age and kill him near instantly
I also find it hard to believe Julius would be able to exhaust him like he did to Patry before he exhausts his own mana supply, given Shigaraki's Nomu physiology.
He wouldnt have to, considering he held back against Patry and didnt use his deadly moves
i don't understand how chrono stasis works, but this specific use of Time Acceleration isn't doing anything. Julius isn't getting that close to Shigaraki
He def is. He can just teleport up close and do that.
staying there before getting instantly swatted by his masses of hands, rivet stabs, shockwaves, beams, or Shigaraki's own natural strength
All of this takes time to happen, or isnt a first move in character, or doesnt save shiggy from being blasted, considering those will go straight through anything in their path
 
even standing the wake of his decay would be a challenge, considering the giant toxic dust clouds it leaves behind, which would both obscure vision and obviously make it difficult to breathe. Not to Shigaraki himself, though.
Mana zone negates that because he would just sense it without needing to see
Aside from the insta-kill quirk combos, Shigaraki also has other ways to get around a speed issue. One is Danger Sense, which can sense someone's hostility and bloodlust while also letting him gauge an opponent's strength. It's not true precognition
You said it, is not true precog, Julius has 2 precogs, everything Shigaraki does, Julius can sense it and act accordingly
Adapting to what, anything Julius does is an instakill via time manipulation
i don't understand how chrono stasis works, but this specific use of Time Acceleration isn't doing anything. Julius isn't getting that close to Shigaraki and staying there before getting instantly swatted by his masses of hands, rivet stabs, shockwaves, beams
To Which Julius just spam chrono stasis on said things to stop those, because Julius has literally hundred of metters and thousands using his most powerful spell, and they start at 10 Meters, so no range advantage for anyone
If the spell works, Shiggy doesnt touch Julius and gets incapped
If the spell works at the same time Shiggy touchs him, 2 things
Julius gets instanly decayed

Or he uses time magic to heal the decay

No idea how fast is the decay right now, if is instant+ his speed amps, maybe Julius can't heal himself fast enough
 
I mean trying to one shot and using all his quirks to amp himself is a bit different
All it would tell him is that there's some "danger" (if that translates to detecting hax even)
it would tell him Julius' intent, and whether the attack in question is meant to kill or incapacitate. It would also tell him about Julius' threat level, and whether Shigaraki needs to block, dodge, or counter the attack. If the threat level is too low, then it wouldn't even detect him.

also yes, it should translate to hax. when Izuku started preparing an OFA transfer soul attack, Shigaraki knew the attack would be a guaranteed victory for Izuku, even though he was winning, so his body almost instinctively created flesh armor as fast as possible to prevent Izuku from drawing blood, and he somehow knew that blood contact is all it would've taken for the attack to work.



so basically, if the attack is a guaranteed win for his opponent, Shigaraki will detect such attack being prepared. Search will also help clue him in on any openings, so he would know when Julius is vulnerable.

That shouldnt be much of an issue to since Julius can fly and tp, and with mana zone + precog he doesnt need to see
would mana zone be able to pick up on someone without mana? but either way, my point is that it would be difficult to get close and stay near Shigaraki, because with his masses of hands, he can just keep spreading decay and make larger dust clouds if he wants to. sure, he could hold his breath, but close-range fighting will be incredibly risky.

What is "strength" here, because Julius would be much weaker pure brute strength wise. And I dont think simply sensing hostility would make him go crazy
by "strength" I just meant punching him or something. but as mentioned before, danger sense + search will be enough to understand which attacks should be dodged, blocked, intercepted, or even just tanked,

Sure, but it seems he has to adjust to his opponent first, and none of Julius moves would allow him to do that, he cant read a Chrono Stasis appearing on himself, or Julius tping and doing a time acceleration blast to one shot Shiggy
more so he just needs to witness said attack, but that was only brought up as a counter for blitz moves. in the case of teleportation, it shouldn't be a problem. but can Chrono Stasis just be spawned on someone like that?

if his future sight works by reading someone's flow of mana, would it even work on Shigaraki? is there some rule where everyone fighting a BC character has mana or is his future sight just equalized with everything? either way, i don't think future sight and predictions can save him from a blitz amp as nasty as Shigaraki's quirk combos, if he chooses to use them.

and as you said, the fight is not lasting long enough for his predictions to get good enough.

I mean we can both agree this fight ends fast regardless of who wins, so it's not going to come to that
i agree, but it is something worth mentioning, on the off-chance they don't both immediately go for the kill.

He def is. He can just teleport up close and do that.
Search would pick up the movement, and Danger Sense will pick up the intent to one-shot, which would just trigger Shigaraki's instincts to either dash away or explode with an EMP or something.

All of this takes time to happen, or isnt a first move in character, or doesnt save shiggy from being blasted, considering those will go straight through anything in their path
i mean, i guess? they're practically instant. it's not like Shigaraki needs to charge them. so a pre-fired interception is definitely on the table.
 
If the spell works at the same time Shiggy touchs him, 2 things
Julius gets instanly decayed

Or he uses time magic to heal the decay

No idea how fast is the decay right now, if is instant+ his speed amps, maybe Julius can't heal himself fast enough
decay can also affect and deconstruct the soul
 
no it should work outside on the physical body cuz when shigaraki was killing SnS her vestige was also being destroyed showing he can attack the soul directly in the outside world too
 
Question I won't vote for now as I'm not sure yet and still thinking.
As far as I can tell, what danger sense does is not "see what each attack does" as in ability wise but to simply perceive threats based on the presence of the opponent's power. In-fact when All for One himself has it we see that Sero's power was so insignificant compared to Deku that Danger Sense straight up didn't warn him about the incoming attack despite it stopping him from finishing off Deku which is the whole reason why he didn't just... win here. We see this even again when the heroes were so weak his danger sense itself also didn't take them as threats even despite his body being actively crumbling.
Julius is over 90,000 times weaker than Shigaraki and therefore so would his attacks. At most from what I can see, it would simply register his attacks as hostility but the ability wouldn't "scream sirens" in Shiga's head as a threat that will one shot him as the power of his attacks would be negligible, so how would Shiga know about the threat of the attack if it is so weak and he has no idea what it does?

Just wanna clarify that cause I'm confused.
 
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Question I won't vote for now as I'm not sure yet and still thinking.
As far as I can tell, what danger sense does is not "see what each attack does" as in ability wise but to simply perceive threats based on the presence of the opponent's power. In-fact when All for One himself has it we see that Sero's power was so insignificant compared to Deku that Danger Sense straight up didn't warn him about the incoming attack despite it stopping him from finishing off Deku which is the whole reason why he didn't just... win here. We see this even again when the heroes were so weak his danger sense itself also didn't take them as threats even despite his body being actively crumbling.
Julius is over 90,000 times weaker than Shigaraki and therefore so would his attacks. At most from what I can see, it would simply register his attacks as hostility but the ability wouldn't "scream sirens" in Shiga's head as a threat that will one shot him as the power of his attacks would be negligible, so how would Shiga know about the threat of the attack if it is so weak and he has no idea what it does?

Just wanna clarify that cause I'm confused.
none of those attacks were a threat to All For One's life, so Danger Sense didn't even have them on the radar. In this case, Julius isn't attacking with island level force, he's attacking with a force that bypasses durability and would be guaranteed to defeat him, so Danger Sense would indeed start screaming sirens.

we see this with Deku's OFA transfer. the attack itself wouldn't have killed him. in fact, it was only supposed to draw blood. but Danger Sense registered the attack as a threat to something beyond Shigaraki's physical well being, which is why Shigaraki's body acted on its own to protect itself and created flesh armor to cushion the blow. Even Shigaraki himself didn't understand what was wrong, as he had a clear advantage at that moment, and Deku's attack in that moment should've been like any other. But he listened to what his body was telling him and he desperately tried to protect himself.

if an attack would instantly erase him, then it should trigger danger sense.
 
it would tell him Julius' intent, and whether the attack in question is meant to kill or incapacitate.
Can it really discern to this extent, especially unconventional attacks? it's not full on precog after all
also yes, it should translate to hax. when Izuku started preparing an OFA transfer soul attack, Shigaraki knew the attack would be a guaranteed victory for Izuku, even though he was winning, so his body almost instinctively created flesh armor as fast as possible to prevent Izuku from drawing blood, and he somehow knew that blood contact is all it would've taken for the attack to work.
Isn't search doing this here? and that combined with some feeling he has tells him he can't take it, it wouldn't be quite the same as Julius trying to incap him with Chrono Stasis, and trying to block time acceleration also won't help
I also forgot to mention that Julius can seal away Shigaraki too if need be
so basically, if the attack is a guaranteed win for his opponent, Shigaraki will detect such attack being prepared
I suppose, having to go through so much thoughts tho, when Julius can start spamming his moves - can still be lethal
would mana zone be able to pick up on someone without mana?
yes he should be able to sense any changes within his mana zone, like someone moving through it, as it allows to read his opponent's next moves, and it would be combined with time magic too
but either way, my point is that it would be difficult to get close and stay near Shigaraki, because with his masses of hands
Shigaraki using the spread of his arms would be only detrimental to him, as it would slow him down, and won't stop Julius's attacks
he can just keep spreading decay and make larger dust clouds if he wants to. sure, he could hold his breath, but close-range fighting will be incredibly risky.
Julius aint a close range fighter so it's nothing bad, he can clean out both arms and dust clouds with time acceleration, or if worst comes to worst can reverse time, to the point where decay wasnt spread/shigaraki didnt grew out his hands/shigaraki didnt evolve (and before you ask, Julius can regulate the range of that, he doesn't have to cast it on thousands of kilometers of range, because that would exhaust him greatly)
by "strength" I just meant punching him or something. but as mentioned before, danger sense + search will be enough to understand which attacks should be dodged, blocked, intercepted, or even just tanked
Julius isn't gonna be punching, and trying to tank his attack would be fatal, same as blocking most of the times (also you can't just block chrono stasis due to mana zone)
more so he just needs to witness said attack, but that was only brought up as a counter for blitz moves. in the case of teleportation, it shouldn't be a problem.
I mean no, reading the physical strikes of your opponents is not nearly the same as predicting teleportation, insta time spells, magical beams that can be danmaku'd etc, that would all require more and better feats for his an. prediction
but can Chrono Stasis just be spawned on someone like that?
yes it can be, especially with mana zone
if his future sight works by reading someone's flow of mana, would it even work on Shigaraki?
It works by reading the flow of the mana in the future, not specifically the person's mana he's fighting, so it should work. Even if it was, wouldn't the regular verse equal apply here, like when people are assumed to have a bit of CE for domain sure hits to work? After all, all living beings have mana in BC (minus you know who OK)
is there some rule where everyone fighting a BC character has mana or is his future sight just equalized with everything?
well i explained above
i agree, but it is something worth mentioning, on the off-chance they don't both immediately go for the kill.
As you said it's worth mentioning, even if it draws out Julius can use Chrono Anastasis too
Search would pick up the movement
Is teleportation, no movement is happening
and Danger Sense will pick up the intent to one-shot, which would just trigger Shigaraki's instincts to either dash away or explode with an EMP or something.
I mean, Julius can also tp and time stop, which would prevent Shiggy from doing either. And it also depends if his senses can work faster than Julius's blast up close reaches him
i mean, i guess? they're practically instant
hands growing out isnt exactly instant
it's not like Shigaraki needs to charge them.
Doesnt stuff like air canons usually charge up for a sec?
so a pre-fired interception is definitely on the table
unless it can stop an aging dura neg beam, or prevent chrono stasis it doesnt help

So overall i vote for Julius, as his wincons are also near instant, he has overall better access to them, he's in character to use them first, and is just more likely to happen with ways around everything shiggy can do (except perception blitz)
 
we see this with Deku's OFA transfer. the attack itself wouldn't have killed him. in fact, it was only supposed to draw blood. but Danger Sense registered the attack as a threat to something beyond Shigaraki's physical well being, which is why Shigaraki's body acted on its own to protect itself and created flesh armor to cushion the blow. Even Shigaraki himself didn't understand what was wrong, as he had a clear advantage at that moment, and Deku's attack in that moment should've been like any other. But he listened to what his body was telling him and he desperately tried to protect himself.

if an attack would instantly erase him, then it should trigger danger sense.
Isn't that because of his will itself rejecting the transfer so his body subconsciously did that?
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Assuming you are right and this can indeed warn him of damage, would this even work against Chrono Stasis which don't do damage and simply seal you in time? That's what he mainly uses at first when fighting people, his erasure was used immediatly against the eyes of the midnight sun goons because he thought that was the best option there as it would cause unnecessary trouble to just let them alive due to it being more difficult to restrain them with more numbers. In a fight like this, he would probably use them first before time accelerating as it would be easier to do so.
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Just wanna make sure I fully understand how Danger Sense is treated before I can think about who wins.
 
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