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Loony toons at peace

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As suggested by Celestial Pegasus, were facing both of the most creative characters on the wiki

Alice (Post-eden)

GOAT bunny (At his peak)

so let them fight!

Alice:
The guy from multiversus: animator
 
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After stories is too much Alice has 6-D power, while Bugs is 5-D i think, Final Arc Alice would be more fair.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
After stories is too much Alice has 6-D power, while Bugs is 5-D i think, Final Arc Alice would be more fair.
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There's no fairness here; all of Alice's hax attacks are completely superior to Bugs'. And the most unbalanced thing here is that Alice has Concept Manipulation Type 1 with 2 layers.
 
2 layers? She would have 4 via Kuro's power, but yea, Post Eden might be better. Her layer stuff in that key would be from her transforming into Isis thus having 1 layer of mind, soul etc passively abd 3 when serious, which she doesn't start with, unless she perceives her opponent is superior to herself.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
2 layers? She would have 4 via Kuro's power, but yea, Post Eden might be better. Her layer stuff in that key would be from her transforming into Isis thus having 1 layer of mind, soul etc passively abd 3 when serious, which she doesn't start with, unless she perceives her opponent is superior to herself.
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Yeah, Bugs died when the word "passive" came up.
 
Doesn't really have a set start move, her fighting style is basically to analyze her opponent and respond based on that, she is very good at judging her opponents strength and abilities and has intuition where before anything dangerous happens to her, she senses it coming then responds immediately due to reacting faster than she can think.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Doesn't really have a set start move, her fighting style is basically to analyze her opponent and respond based on that, she is very good at judging her opponents strength and abilities and has intuition where before anything dangerous happens to her, she senses it coming then responds immediately due to reacting faster than she can think.
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Yeah, Bugs hardly shows any danger. What will Alice do when Bugs is simply teasing her like this?
 
Ironic that in isekai at peace, Alice is the one who plays the role of the clown teasing people.

Normally this could turn into a fun match where both sides pull stunts on each other, but SBA means this can't be a causal thing, so Alice would probably just be amused by Bugs toon force, and try to analyze it, obviously this sort of ability doesn't exist in story, so i think regardless of how ridiculous and safe it seems, she would perceive it as a threat.

Normal things 6 Kings use as a byproduct of their attacks include negating defenses, causality manipulation which makes their attack always hit, and opponents attack miss, and even stuff like negating causality manipulation.

Also thinking about it, Alice's fighting style doesn't really translate to other verses, its a little more broken than I thought, in verse she has the best stealth, which is a combo of information manipulation, perception manipulation, and invisibility. Even among people on her level, when she uses it, Alice could literally be around them and they wouldn't know until she attacks, people below that have no way of detecting it, so her fighting style is to be a stealthy assassin really, and if the opponent is above her go UBF, which is reactive evolution making her stronger, faster, and hax resistance.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Ironic that in isekai at peace, Alice is the one who plays the role of the clown teasing people.

Normally this could turn into a fun match where both sides pull stunts on each other, but SBA means this can't be a causal thing, so Alice would probably just be amused by Bugs toon force, and try to analyze it, obviously this sort of ability doesn't exist in story, so i think regardless of how ridiculous and safe it seems, she would perceive it as a threat.

Normal things 6 Kings use as a byproduct of their attacks include negating defenses, causality manipulation which makes their attack always hit, and opponents attack miss, and even stuff like negating causality manipulation.

Also thinking about it, Alice's fighting style doesn't really translate to other verses, its a little more broken than I thought, in verse she has the best stealth, which is a combo of information manipulation, perception manipulation, and invisibility. Even among people on her level, when she uses it, Alice could literally be around them and they wouldn't know until she attacks, people below that have no way of detecting it, so her fighting style is to be a stealthy assassin really, and if the opponent is above her go UBF, which is reactive evolution making her stronger, faster, and hax resistance.
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So, are her attacks entirely dependent on the situation in the match? Bugs has regeneration at Information Type 2, so I think he can withstand that attack.
 
Alice is acausal, probability won't work and even if it did, she can negate causality manipulation, not to mention she also has probability manipulation.

As for his regen, Alice will either have to seal him, or use UBF to get to World Creator level (5-D), and thus gaining type 2 information herself, and at that point just erase Bugs, this later option will take a little bit of time though, its not instant, she will need time to adapt.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Alice is acausal, probability won't work and even if it did, she can negate causality manipulation, not to mention she also has probability manipulation.

As for his regen, Alice will either have to seal him, or use UBF to get to World Creator level (5-D), and thus gaining type 2 information herself, and at that point just erase Bugs, this later option will take a little bit of time though, its not instant, she will need time to adapt.
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Why does Acausality Type 4 help Alice resist Probability Manipulation? I remember it only resists causal haxes, laws, and fate?
 
Alice is unbound by fate and destiny. "Fate" in verse isnt just fate as you would think, Alice was unaffected by the God of Fate's ability which not only manipulates fate, and causality, but also probability, she can control the infinite possibilities for the future, and even create fates that didn't exist among those infinite possibilities.
 
Yeah it's a stomp.
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Alice is unbound by fate and destiny. "Fate" in verse isnt just fate as you would think, Alice was unaffected by the God of Fate's ability which not only manipulates fate, and causality, but also probability, she can control the infinite possibilities for the future, and even create fates that didn't exist among those infinite possibilities.
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I only said Alice is resistant to probability manipulation lol.

Though yea she could transform into the God of Fate who despite Alice resistance, when she gets serious still affected the acausal Alice.... But its not her first move.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
I only said Alice is resistant to probability manipulation lol.

Though yea she could transform into the God of Fate who despite Alice resistance, when she gets serious still affected the acausal Alice.... But its not her first move.
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So what move do you think Alice will use in this fight? Especially since most of Bugs' antics are just teasing; the only thing he'll do is cut the entire animation if he feels threatened.
 
Alice stealthily sneaks up on Bugs uses causality disruption, & durability negation>Bugs regenerates surprising Alice>Alice tries sealing him>Bugs resists>Alice either starts going for layered mind hax (1 layer) as killing minds is her specialty and everyone in verse resists mind hax, or Alice decides she needs to adapt to Bugs and uses UBF thus getting faster and stronger and developing hax which can either kill or seal Bugs.

Basically Bugs has to incapacitate or kill her before it gets to that point.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Alice stealthily sneaks up on Bugs uses causality disruption, & durability negation>Bugs regenerates surprising Alice>Alice tries sealing him>Bugs resists>Alice either starts going for layered mind hax (1 layer) as killing minds is her specialty and everyone in verse resists mind hax, or Alice decides she needs to adapt to Bugs and uses UBF thus getting faster and stronger and developing hax which can either kill or seal Bugs.

Basically Bugs has to incapacitate or kill her before it gets to that point.
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How does she use mind manipulation? Like, is it through beam attacks or non-physical means?
 
She does also have magic which are beams though, she can force people asleep and show them nightmares but that is done via shooting light at her target.
 
Just noticed he is at peak, if that's the case, then Alice would immediately go for UBF, because she would instinctively sense his superiority over her, this means she would explosively grow which would let her quickly catch up to Bugs, and gain resistance to hax, though dubious whether she can resist stuff like plot manipulation, in isekai at peace plot manipulation is the highest ability above type 1 concept manipulation, so idk how that plays with Bug's toonforce.

That said if he starts at Immeasurable speed then she would never get the time to use her ability, though even against Gods in Isekai at Peace who have immeasurable speed, Alice is confident she still can win, so thinking about it, don't think the speed gap will stop her.
 
Doesn't Alice have the ability to seal off authorities and stuff, or was that WN only? She can peel away the powers and seal it. And her fighting style is pretty hard to gauge given her intelligence. Technically she mastered every style martial arts of the worlds she's been too, but we obv arent shown it so can't tell. However we know her intelligence factors in (from what i remember?) all possibilities, and can tell a fighting style just by looking at it.

So she would find bug's antics amusing to an extent but also factor in what can happen, as it's something she hasn't seen, and go pretty serious and use UBF. Alice doesn't have resistance to plot on the profile but assuming its a default thing for a WC level that can match kuro.

Well I see logic manip but idk....doesn't even look like logic stuff
 
WN Alice can rip off authorities yea, though Bugs resists power null & sealing, so idk, what Alice nulls/seals is law & concept manipulation not plot manipulation.

She instantly figures out abilities used against her, and has vast experience dealing with new things she has never seen before, so yea she would pretty quickly figure out Bugs.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
WN Alice can rip off authorities yea, though Bugs resists power null & sealing, so idk, what Alice nulls/seals is law & concept manipulation not plot manipulation.

She instantly figures out abilities used against her, and has vast experience dealing with new things she has never seen before, so yea she would pretty quickly figure out Bugs.
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High-Tier Toon Physiology Immunity to Power nullification and sealing, because even though they lose their "Toonliness" (the essence of their power), they can still use it.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Just noticed he is at peak, if that's the case, then Alice would immediately go for UBF, because she would instinctively sense his superiority over her, this means she would explosively grow which would let her quickly catch up to Bugs, and gain resistance to hax, though dubious whether she can resist stuff like plot manipulation, in isekai at peace plot manipulation is the highest ability above type 1 concept manipulation, so idk how that plays with Bug's toonforce.

That said if he starts at Immeasurable speed then she would never get the time to use her ability, though even against Gods in Isekai at Peace who have immeasurable speed, Alice is confident she still can win, so thinking about it, don't think the speed gap will stop her.
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Didn't Toon Physiology already allow them to resist plot manipulation?
 
Hm that's actually marked as immunity...seems a little odd. I could get resistance buuut

Also is the logic manip updated or was that added before the logic page? However it seems sealing won't work unless there's layers to it
 
Enter_Bluey said:
Hm that's actually marked as immunity...seems a little odd. I could get resistance buuut

Also is the logic manip updated or was that added before the logic page? However it seems sealing won't work unless there's layers to it
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Lacking means you already have Immunity, I created the CRT and it was approved.
The Logic Manipulation part is outdated; I'm planning to create a large CRT with ultimate-rex1 to eliminate it, but that'll be for later.
 
Usually, if it were a normal opponent, he'd simply taunt them. But Alice is a truly powerful individual, making Bugs wary and prompting him to use all his power, and especially at his peak, that should include the full extent of his Animation Tools hax.
 
Hmmm... I guess I'd vote for Bugs because when he was in the Animator world, he was completely outside the 5-Dimensional structure, and needed Cosmic Awareness and Breaking the 4th Wall to regain his awareness. I mean, no matter how much Alice's powers increase, how can she resist Plot EE?
 
I believe it comes down to Alice immediately using UBF. She will adapt to most his arsenal pretty quickly and outpace him. But can she resist plot is the question

She can utilize Kurt's power with UBF to become AE1 plot, but would that allow her to adapt to plot hax itself
 
Enter_Bluey said:
I believe it comes down to Alice immediately using UBF. She will adapt to most his arsenal pretty quickly and outpace him. But can she resist plot is the question

She can utilize Kurt's power with UBF to become AE1 plot, but would that allow her to adapt to plot hax itself
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The claim that she can adapt to Plot Manipulation would be NLF simply because she has never demonstrated it, and as for Alice's AE1 Plot, Animation Tools already has a 1-layer Plot Manipulation feature.
 
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