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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Unc things naoya beats mahoraga. Bro thinks he's sykkuno's gf, loving a guy who doesn't care about them
No he doesn't. He's clearly saying that, if Meg tries summoning the goat, he'll get stopped mid ritual and die.
We see this happen when he tries summoning big raga on 16F sukuna
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No he doesn't. He's clearly saying that, if Meg tries summoning the goat, he'll get stopped mid ritual and die.
We see this happen when he tries summoning big raga on 16F sukuna
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This aint really a valid point cuz that's Sukuna, so all this means is that it requires 15F levels of speed to catch him at the very most proveable way. Unless there's other evidence that speeds relative to Naoya would catch him, then sure
 
This aint really a valid point cuz that's Sukuna, so all this means is that it requires 15F levels of speed to catch him at the very most proveable way. Unless there's other evidence that speeds relative to Naoya would catch him, then sure
what about toji blitzing him
 
what about toji blitzing him
What about Toji blitzing him? Naoya has no scaling to Toji first and foremost. Second, I'm 99% sure that was an off-guard feat when Megumi wasn't prepared to fight him because Megumi proceeds to react to him every other time when he knows he's fighting him.
 
Naoya has no scaling to Toji first and foremost.
Naoya > Maki = Toji. Although Maki was injured, I'm not sure how much that mattered since she couldn't react in time when Naoya chose to slap her bicep (applying his technique) instead of charging her head-on.
 
No? You just need to be able to grab Megumi's hands before he completes the incantation. 16F Sukuna is probably overkill when it seems 3F Sukuna could already blitz Megumi.
Not the same Megumi
Naoya > Maki = Toji. Although Maki was injured, I'm not sure how much that mattered since she couldn't react in time when Naoya chose to slap her bicep (applying his technique) instead of charging her head-on.
Dude, that was a Maki that WASNT equal to Toji yet. Plus you already admit that she was nerfed (plus she still caught him at his max stack)
 
Calamity is like super complex, so idk how long adapting to the flow itself would take (specially since it can just weaponize anything+ give it dura neg) But 99% of the time it doesn't generate something with enough AOE to vaporize Mahoraga.

Only way Mahoraga would lose is if the fight happens near a powder mill or a warzone where getting hit by an airstrike would not be impossible, otherwise he just regens and adapts until it happens in a way that lets him win.
Can Mahoraga even adapt to Logic itself? Fairly certain that is NLF
 
Yeah as in to what comment…
The former. A No limits fallacy would be if Mahoraga wasn't stated to have a limitation to what he can adapt to, yet people would argue that he would be able to adapt to logic because of the limitation being missing (which is technically just an argument from silence). But here he is explicitly stated to adapt to any and all phenomena.
 
Not the same Megumi
Still blitzed by Toji.

Dude, that was a Maki that WASNT equal to Toji yet
Because she hadn't become aware of the things only she could see, she wasn't Toji's equal. But her body was equal to Toji's from the instant Mai died. Her strength and speed and toughness, all are achieved through Heavenly Restriction which is perpetually in effect.
 
Can Mahoraga even adapt to Logic itself? Fairly certain that is NLF
calamity sure is a phenomenon that is experienced
also mahoraga can adapt to someone's existence but we really don't know what that means

regardless, WoU can't exactly kill mahoraga and since mahoraga could go undetected by limitless it should be able to make itself undetected by calamity, will probably take alot of spins tho
 
Unless there's other evidence that speeds relative to Naoya would catch him, then sure
Naoya's the third fastest guy in the series, the second being his dad who's got the same technique and 1st being Gojo
all of them should be more than relative to 16f Sukuna, no clue why would we think it's not
 
manganimist ❤️‍🩹
Ball knower

(Plus he's right)
manganimist the goat but he's wrong here.
are we gonna sit here and say megumi's as durable as maki? he's straight up saying Naoya's only better in speed when he harms Cg Yuji pretty casually and Maki when enraged.
her losing blood doesn't mean she gets 50000x weaker in durability.
like, i hate noaya but let's not act like Megumi's perceiving naoya or standing from one punch
 
jjk speed scaling is so hilarious

anyway insect armor yorozu blitzes naoya and jm not even ragebaiting
 
stated nowhere
it is implied in all of his appearisons that he's talented af with the technique he inherited, even focusing on gathering more speed than Naobito to attack
who you think should be this faster than him?
 
it is implied in all of his appearisons that he's talented af with the technique he inherited, even focusing on gathering more speed than Naobito to attack
who you think should be this faster than him?
im mainly contesting the idea that he scales to 16f sukuna

thats completely unfounded and based on nothing
 
 
who you think should be this faster than him?
INJURED Maki quite literally moves faster than him with R/C Speed while hes dashing at her at his full speed while stacked on-screen in the manga, alongside keeping up with womb and curse quite well (and even moves faster than them on some occasions) so idk... maybe her? Crazy suggestion

But it was more so about the whole "16F Sukuna" thing, even with the cope that some people here on the wiki do of "Maki must have not moved faster!! Outlier!!" (not you but I already know they are lurking here), even if she aint faster, she keeps up with him at least so shes comparable regardless, a Sukuna WAYY weaker than his 16F self blitzed her perception. Everyone in the verse bar Gojo is getting blitzed by a 16F Sukuna so badly it ain't even funny.
 
Still blitzed by Toji.
I alr mentioned that "feat". It's off-guard nonsense.
Because she hadn't become aware of the things only she could see, she wasn't Toji's equal. But her body was equal to Toji's from the instant Mai died. Her strength and speed and toughness, all are achieved through Heavenly Restriction which is perpetually in effect.
None of that means she's physically equal at that point cuz she's mentally nerfed. The sumo fight literally shows her how she does become equal to him in a physical sense (mainly speed) + Toji himself is stated to be able to handle Curseya's top speed.

You can't really infer Maki = Toji without accounting for everything that would make Maki = Toji in the first place which would be her air vision stuff that Toji has. If Maki had that in PPA as well as not having her intestines literally leaking out of her stomach, Naoya would die in 0.1 seconds by getting horribly precogged. Yet this didn't happen to Megumi when he knew he was gonna fight him.
 
INJURED Maki quite literally moves faster than him with R/C Speed while hes dashing at her at his full speed while stacked on-screen in the manga, alongside keeping up with womb and curse quite well (and even moves faster than them on some occasions) so idk... maybe her? Crazy suggestion

But it was more so about the whole "16F Sukuna" thing, even with the cope that some people here on the wiki do of "Maki must have not moved faster!! Outlier!!" (not you but I already know they are lurking here), even if she aint faster, she keeps up with him at least so shes comparable regardless, a Sukuna WAYY weaker than his 16F self blitzed her perception. Everyone in the verse bar Gojo is getting blitzed by a 16F Sukuna so badly it ain't even funny.
yorozu somewhat kept him, obviously slower, but still blocked him, landed hits in him and intercepted his summonings

but she is stated to be fast asf so it makes sense
 
INJURED Maki quite literally moves faster than him with R/C Speed while hes dashing at her at his full speed while stacked on-screen in the manga, alongside keeping up with womb and curse quite well (and even moves faster than them on some occasions) so idk... maybe her? Crazy suggestion

But it was more so about the whole "16F Sukuna" thing, even with the cope that some people here on the wiki do of "Maki must have not moved faster!! Outlier!!" (not you but I already know they are lurking here), even if she aint faster, she keeps up with him at least so shes comparable regardless, a Sukuna WAYY weaker than his 16F self blitzed her perception. Everyone in the verse bar Gojo is getting blitzed by a 16F Sukuna so badly it ain't even funny.
would Gojo blitz Naobito? i don't really think so, that's why i said they are relative to Sukuna
Of course Sukuna's faster than them, by quite a bit, but not a humiliating bit as i see it, it is not something so impressive to think that they are relative to Sukuna
 
i know i don't get a lot of stuff right but wow, all i think about this verse is controversial somehow lmfao
 
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