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Dragon Quest Revival Discussion Thread

Well the Hero never actually defeated it like he did the other bosses he only kept it busy while the NPC you’re with fixed the seal on the pot sealing it away again.

Scanning the Ragin Contagion With Eye for trouble adds this statement to its battle entry

This toxic pox was created to ensure that the nameless terror that slept in the Quarantomb stayed sealed inside forever.

With that Nameless Terror being a Post Game Boss.
None of that scales it to the post-game boss though. An early game hero not defeating it doesn’t put it at Low Multiversal and it protecting the tomb doesn’t either. Also, isn’t this like, the 3rd boss of the game? Why should it even remotely scale to a post-game boss?
 
None of that scales it to the post-game boss though. An early game hero not defeating it doesn’t put it at Low Multiversal and it protecting the tomb doesn’t either. Also, isn’t this like, the 3rd boss of the game? Why should it even remotely scale to a post-game boss?
How else would he be able to keep King Godfrey from escaping if he wasn’t able to incapacitate him? I’m looking at a few Possibly stuff, not explicitly a Massive AP Spike
 
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None of that scales it to the post-game boss though. An early game hero not defeating it doesn’t put it at Low Multiversal and it protecting the tomb doesn’t either. Also, isn’t this like, the 3rd boss of the game? Why should it even remotely scale to a post-game boss?
The Player can get access to Solar Flair only 6 bosses in minimum
 
How else would he be able to keep King Godfrey from escaping if he wasn’t able to incapacitate him? I’m looking at a few Possibly stuff, not explicitly a Massive AP Spike
It’s via sealing, not the contagion fighting King Godfrey. Possibly still feels too much for me if we’re talking about a low-tier monster.
The Player can get access to Solar Flair only 6 bosses in minimum
I feel Solar Flair should not have its rating as it has now. It uses light from the Milky Way but it’s not an actual solar flair being flung at the enemy.
 
It’s via sealing, not the contagion fighting King Godfrey. Possibly still feels too much for me if we’re talking about a low-tier monster.

I feel Solar Flair should not have its rating as it has now. It uses light from the Milky Way but it’s not an actual solar flair being flung at the enemy.
You’re right it’s not a solar flare it’s a Nebula, Solar Flair is a localized name-It’s called Grand Nebula in Japanese and is one of the hardest hitting attacks you can use in the entire game
 
You’re right it’s not a solar flare it’s a Nebula, Solar Flair is a localized name-It’s called Grand Nebula in Japanese and is one of the hardest hitting attacks you can use in the entire game
No matter what it is, it shouldn’t have a tier attached to it.
 
Since when have we not been giving tiers to abilities/attacks?
I’m not saying attacks can’t, but solar flair specifically doesn’t have anything that qualifies it for tier 4 (at least DQ9s version). Statements and names are used a lot to glorify attacks but that doesn’t necessarily mean it is that thing. In the original text’s case, it is called Grand Nebula, but that doesnt mean Nine is actually using an entire nebula to attack the enemy. Even in the English translation, it notes that the attack is “light from the Milky Way” or something similar. The energy or amount of light used is unquantifiable in any circumstance, hence Solar Flair being even remotely Tier 4 is negligible. However, you could argue it uses some amount of cosmic radiation, but again, the attack varies in effect depending on the game.
 
Anyone got the scans for this page? All of the drive scans need permission to view.
I can probably gather a few of Nokturnus’ scans later. Nokturnus is one of many DQ pages with little to no scans. I imagine these profiles will be fixed in a distant future but there’s a very large lack of commitment to the verse.

A while ago, there was a blog created to translate DQ X monster entries and part of it includes Nokturnus’ statements on reliance resurrecting among other things. I hope that helps for now. If there’s anything in particular, let me know and I can find it for you myself.

 
Looking through Dragon Quest and considering some of the older stuff that was discussed, should Darkness and Light have their own page as a power? The entire Dragon Quest series built on a constant battle between light and dark and a lot of them have their own powers associated with them. I will message some past users to bring more attention to this.

Also, is there a better way to accelerate the work going into revamping the verse? The overall lack of consistent dedication makes it rather difficult to find/do anything for a SQEX verse that's especially detailed and Japanese originated (which is a whole other can of worms). I recently started reworking Zoma in sandbox to help contribute to this effort but it has taken me at least 2 months of sporadic editing to accumulate details for the profile. Other than scans, regular Zoma has most of the ratings and explanations accounted for that I've looked at. Of course I would like feedback on it in the near-future but to ask a question in regards to profile making: what would be an easy way to link scans? I don't know any good image based websites and gathering scans from linking let's plays on virtually everything seems like a tedious and time consuming process.
 
Unfortunately I've been very busy irl, Haven't even got a chance to play DQ7 yet. Apparently https://catbox.moe/ and https://imgchest.com/ are the current accepted Imgur alternatives, Though they also recommend just putting the scans on the wiki itself, Likely on a blog page. I'd assume 2 blogs would be needed 1 for the cosmology and 1 for general ability explanations.
 
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I've also been busy, and there has sadly been little to no interest on the verse.
 
I'll admit I've kinda lost interest in DQ, I really liked 5 but I haven't played any other one. If you need help with a calc or two or want an opinion on a piece of scaling I can give my thoughts but I don't think I'll be doing research.
 
If that’s the case, than this is going to take a lot longer than I wanted it to. If anyone has any downtime in the future and would like to help, I plan to follow this very loose plan in no particular order:

1: Work on a Cosmology Blog
2: Work on a Light and Darkness Verse Power
3: Revamp Profiles (Currently Working On: Zoma, Psaro)

I’ll eventually share the sandbox drafts for the former two when I have some amount of work on them. I don’t have anything in particular I need as far as scans go, so if you want to help, literally anything works that would contribute to the above 3. Just post them here if you find any. Otherwise, I imagine I’ll mostly be doing this by myself, so we’ll see how this turns out.
 
There were plans to upgrade God Tiers to 2-B to 2-A range that nearly all DQ protagonists scale from is what I know. And there were also statements about DQ9 gods having 3-A feats; unsure if DQ10 had even further context regarding the scaling though. And every Hero except for the customizable avatar ones (Basically except 9 and 10) were considered part of god tier scaling. And if we include Online stuff for DQ9, there was arguments made for them to be part of the Multiverse scaling anyway. And DQ10 featured a superboss similar to Estark called the King of Calamity, but unsure about scaling.
 
There were plans to upgrade God Tiers to 2-B to 2-A range that nearly all DQ protagonists scale from is what I know. And there were also statements about DQ9 gods having 3-A feats; unsure if DQ10 had even further context regarding the scaling though. And every Hero except for the customizable avatar ones (Basically except 9 and 10) were considered part of god tier scaling. And if we include Online stuff for DQ9, there was arguments made for them to be part of the Multiverse scaling anyway. And DQ10 featured a superboss similar to Estark called the King of Calamity, but unsure about scaling.
To summarize what has been discussed since then to cover ratings:

• Every top/god tier is at the Tier 2 rating due to DQ9, DQ11, and various other boss rushes and battles having every final boss fight side-by-side (DQ11 especially since the monsters directly borrow from their original counterpart’s powers), or fought after a blatant Tier 2 (Shadroth and Fractos to name a few)
• The previous reasoning for a 2-B/2-A rating kinda sucked (2-A scans don’t really mean anything and that cosmology page drew some weird conclusions with no evidence to go off of). For now, 2-C is the only solid rating that there are various feats for. There was some discussion on bumping Mortamor’s feat to 2-B, but there isn’t a lot to go off of that can solidify that.

This is mainly the basis I’m working off of for profile creation but any other feats should be posted here.

DQ10 is the most ambiguous game of all of them due to being Japan locked. Iirc from a YouTube clip, King of Calamity fights alongside Nokturnus. Tbh literally anything anyone can get from this game would be extremely helpful.
 
What's the current state of speed for the verse? Are the DQ9 feats fine?
The previous DQ9 feats work for a few things but the end of game and maybe even some mid-game feats are highly uncertain. I would recommend getting them evaluated if they haven’t already. The current Terry speed is the only viable existing speed calculation from before this thread, but it could also need recalculating. End game needs speed feats found in general since the previous reasoning for Immeasurable no longer works.
 
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