CC Goku vs Dante

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Son Goku (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?), born Kakarot (カカロット, Kakarotto?), referred to as "Capsule Corp Goku" or "CC Goku" for short by fans, is a version of Son Goku in Super Dragon Ball Heroes who is a major protagonist in the game's narrative,[See Notes 1] first introduced in the Universe Mission and...

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Dante (Devil May Cry)

Dante (ダンテ?) is the protagonist of the majority of the Devil May Cry series. He, along with his twin brother Vergil, are the product of a romance between the Dark Knight Sparda and a human woman named Eva. After losing his mother to demons as a child, Dante grows up to become a demon-hunting...

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Speed equalized

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

What key of Goku are we even using? Following for now.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

What key of Goku are we even using? Following for now.

Ultra instinct

 

[StarShooter80]

Ultra instinct

Yeah all keys have that form

What keys of Goku and Dante are we using

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Yeah all keys have that form

What keys of Goku and Dante are we using

Idk whatever their peak is

 

[StarShooter80]

bro

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Peak Goku is UT Goku, not UI.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Idk whatever their peak is

It would’ve been best to specify this beforehand to avoid confusion because now questions like these come into play. This seems like you did this for recreational purposes which is completely fine but, it’s best to assess both profiles before anything. I haven’t read Dante’s profile and can’t anytime soon but if you want Goku’s “peak” key you need to index it as UGM or Ultra God Mission Mastered Ultra Instincts. If you’re definition of “peak” is in the sense of hax and variety, big bang mission it is, SSB:UT (Super Saiyan Blue Universe Tree).

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

It would’ve been best to specify this beforehand to avoid confusion because now questions like these come into play. This seems like you did this for recreational purposes which is completely fine but, it’s best to assess both profiles before anything. I haven’t read Dante’s profile and can’t anytime soon but if you want Goku’s “peak” key you need to index it as UGM or Ultra God Mission Mastered Ultra Instincts. If you’re definition of “peak” is in the sense of hax and variety, big bang mission it is, SSB:UT (Super Saiyan Blue Universe Tree).

I think Dante's peak is DM5 since its the current ongoing thing for him so I'll choose that

Then I'll choose SSB:UT

 

[Robo432343]

another tuxidoe stomp match

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

another tuxidoe stomp match

Last match I make was Vegeta vs Aizen I think but got accepted anyway with Vegeta winning so dont think this is stomp too

 

[Robo432343]

Last match I make was Vegeta vs Aizen I think but got accepted anyway with Vegeta winning so dont think this is stomp too

that matchup is getting removed

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

that matchup is getting removed

Not happening till 3000 years later bro

 

[JJSliderman]

Isn’t Goku 6-D and Dante 5-D seems like a stomp.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Isn’t Goku 6-D and Dante 5-D seems like a stomp.

I heard from dante scalers that he has crazy haxes that allows to neg diff most of fiction so I'll wait for his fans here to give input

 

[AguilaR202]

This looks like a spite thread more than a genuine match.

 

[Apotheosis69]

What can Dante do against Goku's Dimensional Domain. Which is Passive Stamina Reduction, which sets Dante's Stamina permanently to 1, thus making him be near-death all the time.

And can use Hakai, which isn't just Conceptual Erasure (on a 6-D level, due to Ki being Potency-Based), but also History, Space-Time Erasure, and High-Godly Regen Negation...

 

[Robo432343]

What can Dante do against Goku's Dimensional Domain. Which is Passive Stamina Reduction, which sets Dante's Stamina permanently to 1, thus making him be near-death all the time.

And can use Hakai, which isn't just Conceptual Erasure (on a 6-D level, due to Ki being Potency-Based), but also History, Space-Time Erasure, and High-Godly Regen Negation...

passive 40+ layers soul crush

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

passive 40+ layers soul crush

What does this “soul crush” do? And how is it activated?

 

[Mbpoops]

Goku fra/frb

 

[Robo432343]

Goku FRA

 

[Random-Helper323]

Seems like a stomp.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

It would probably be best to make some changes if OP wants a fairer matchup but considering the basis of this MU is seemingly spite I’m not sure. Perhaps he could use UGM Goku who isn’t as haxxed. If that doesn’t work then this can probably be closed.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Also I'm 99.99999999999% Certain that Ki and all its haxes are Potency-Based via UES... So its Concept, Soul hax, etc. Are Infinite 6-D Hypertimelines by default, ofc as well as Resistances. Please inform me if I'm incorrect.

IF that is indeed correct, this is an Absolute Stomp on all accounts. once again

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Also I'm 99.99999999999% Certain that Ki and all its haxes are Potency-Based via UES... So its Concept, Soul hax, etc. Are Infinite 6-D Hypertimelines by default, ofc as well as Resistances. Please inform me if I'm incorrect.

IF that is indeed correct, this is an Absolute Stomp on all accounts. once again

Hax are no longer tied to dimensionality IIRC in the sense of potency. Hax and dimensionality correlate in the sense of range, how far Character A’s conceptual manipulation for instance, influence spans. In other words, the 40 layers of soul manipulation would be detrimental to CC Goku. He would probably be instantly killed since he doesn’t have the layers of resistance to cancel it out. But thanks to time power he can be brought back.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Vietthai96]

The..............hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll??

What can Dante do against Goku's Dimensional Domain. Which is Passive Stamina Reduction, which sets Dante's Stamina permanently to 1, thus making him be near-death all the time.

Unless i'm wrong, OP using SSBUT Goku which do not have DD

 

[Apotheosis69]

Hax are no longer tied to dimensionality IIRC in the sense of potency. Hax and dimensionality correlate in the sense of range, how far Character A’s conceptual manipulation for instance, influence spans. In other words, the 40 layers of soul manipulation would be detrimental to CC Goku. He would probably be instantly killed since he doesn’t have the layers of resistance to cancel it out. But thanks to time power he can be brought back.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.

That's only IF the hax Isn't specifically Potency-Based, any hax that isn't potency based is Only tiered in Range. Hence why "that" exists. Viett, right?

Edit: Seems even Potency-Based Hax isn't dimensional-tiered anymore. Still beyond stomp with Passive Erasure below

Unless i'm wrong, OP using SSBUT Goku which do not have DD

Well, Passive History/Space-Time/Information (Type 2) & Data Erasure.

 

[Tanin_iver]

I heard from dante scalers that he has crazy haxes that allows to neg diff most of fiction so I'll wait for his fans here to give input

A bit exaggerated.

What can Dante do against Goku's Dimensional Domain. Which is Passive Stamina Reduction, which sets Dante's Stamina permanently to 1, thus making him be near-death all the time.

Adapt, AD and RE goes brrr. Not that different from Demon World shenanigans.

And can use Hakai, which isn't just Conceptual Erasure (on a 6-D level, due to Ki being Potency-Based)

6-D is range as Concept Manip isn't tied to dimensions.

but also History, Space-Time Erasure, and High-Godly Regen Negation...

History EE is just EE in all points in time which is countered by Acausality and resists Space-Time manip and HGR is based on History so ehh.

Well, Passive History/Space-Time/Information (Type 2) & Data Erasure.

Also, might not be able to even interact with DMC souls cos weirdly above Names which are CM Type 1.

Just pointing out some of the stuff.
I am pretty sure this match can't be added cause 6D and all.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Pretty much what Tanin said. Stamina stuff is just resisted anyways and Dante can just insta RE, he has evolved against stronger shit. And with strength difference Dante can sense he needs to finish quickly. He will go for insta kill from get go with guns or sword and that soul hax will kill Goku.

 

[Killerdrone123]

A bit exaggerated.


Adapt, AD and RE goes brrr. Not that different from Demon World shenanigans.


6-D is range as Concept Manip isn't tied to dimensions.


History EE is just EE in all points in time which is counted by Acausality and resists Space-Time manip and HGR is based on History so ehh.


Also, might not be able to even interact with DMC souls cos weirdly above Names which are CM Type 1.

Just pointing out some of the stuff.
I am pretty sure this match can't be added cause 6D and all.

They can interact with type 1 concepts and time power ee is capable of erasing guys with accausality so it isn't really a problem plus time power history ee can erase you in all points in time and in a way that you have never existed

In UT CC Goku key Goku has passive ee of three different sources P.O.D,U.T,Time power and can ee him on concept,info 2, history level and can negate his High godly too even if you ignore the above U.T aura alone can keep on incapping dante passively via sheer a.p

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Pretty much what Tanin said. Stamina stuff is just resisted anyways and Dante can just insta RE, he has evolved against stronger shit. And with strength difference Dante can sense he needs to finish quickly. He will go for insta kill from get go with guns or sword and that soul hax will kill Goku.

Can I see where the stamina resistance justification comes from? I’m on phone and trying to read justification and indexed information is really a pain. What’s does the RE work with? I’m sure you know this but, RE is essentially a nothing burger ability unless there’s direct extrapolation. Not saying that it is for Dante just that I’m not aware of what it does in DMC. How would a gun and sword kill Goku? Am I missing something? I’m guessing it’s induced with hax, but what hax? Killing Goku numerous times with the soul hax would unironically seal his fate. If Goku can see that his opponent is infinitely weaker than himself and his H2H bag isn’t effective he’s going to use his more complex bag. This includes I.T (instant transmission) where he can navigate up to infinite 6D constructs or lead with time travel and likely come back with summons such as Arale who possesses plot manipulation or summon Chronoa or Aeos. I forgot which character it is that he summons but regardless of whether it’s Chronoa or Aeos, both can freeze time and due to temporal dimension shenanigans he wouldn’t be able to resist it, ergo, he’d be frozen in time forever.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Can I see where the stamina resistance justification comes from?

Stamina is just energy shenanigans, go to physiology page, Demons resist stat and res debuff. All the RE justifications are there as well. Dante has far more layers of resistance and can just RE to reinforce

If Goku can see that his opponent is infinitely weaker than himself and his H2H bag isn’t effective he’s going to use his more complex bag.

Dante is leading with physical fight, Goku might not take him seriously since he is weaker. Dante has combat skill feats to run circles around Goku for tough fight.

That Passive EE is gonna make this either a stomp or is still useless due to not being able to affect souls superior to CM1, and Dante has HGR neg resistance in layers, so this is a flux.

 

[Tanin_iver]

They can interact with type 1 concepts and time power ee is capable of erasing guys with accausality so it isn't really a problem plus time power history ee can erase you in all points in time and in a way that you have never existed

Yeah, ik, but DMC Souls AE1 are above that. Need to erase that or interact with that or else nothing happens, they can function even when CM1 is nuked.

In UT CC Goku key Goku has passive ee of three different sources P.O.D,U.T,Time power and can ee them on concept,info 2, history level and can negate his High godly too even if you ignore the above U.T aura alone can keep on incapping dante passively via sheer a.p

Need to affect the Soul.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Yeah, ik, but DMC Souls AE1 are above that. Need to erase that or interact with that or else nothing happens, they can function even when CM1 is nuked.

Need to affect the Soul.

Wdym above that are they 1A abstracts or something DBH can interact with type 1 AE concept so they can interact with souls very well and as I said u.t Goku has passive ee so they are getting erased

Like i said even if you ignore what I said above he is still getting passively ap stomped

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Stamina is just energy shenanigans, go to physiology page, Demons resist stat and res debuff. All the RE justifications are there as well. Dante has far more layers of resistance and can just RE to reinforce

Dante is leading with physical fight, Goku might not take him seriously since he is weaker. Dante has combat skill feats to run circles around Goku for tough fight.

That Passive EE is gonna make this either a stomp or is still useless due to not being able to affect souls superior to CM1, and Dante has HGR neg resistance in layers, so this is a flux.

Fair enough on the stamina point. If Dante leads in physical combat as a starting move, Goku would respectfully do the same. But as Killer mentioned there’s also the passive aura Goku has, which doesn’t only exude EE but AP. Dante isn’t durable enough to withstand 6D AP and his AD/RE wouldn’t allow him to either unless I’m missing context. If DMC has made it clear Souls > Concepts then I guess that could change some things. Are souls in nature 40 layers?

Even given Souls being superior compared to Concepts I don’t see it being a definitive factor. Honestly the longer this battle goes on the more Goku is inclined to having to pull out his larger arsenal. If he resorts to pulling out Arale, I’m certain Arale would just narratively ruin Dante with her 18 layers of narrative EE IIRC.

It’s also really dubious to say Goku would essentially allow himself to keep being killed via artillery with hax. Goku is portrayed as stupid at times, yeah, but he isn’t a slouch in combat. He’s going to notice something strange and adapt accordingly when an infinitely weaker character is somehow wielding power to insta kill him. I’m not sure if Dante will get that chance due to passive AP crush

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Fair enough on the stamina point. If Dante leads in physical combat as a starting move, Goku would respectfully do the same. But as Killer mentioned there’s also the passive aura Goku has, which doesn’t only exude EE but AP. Dante isn’t durable enough to withstand 6D AP and his AD/RE wouldn’t allow him to either unless I’m missing context. If DMC has made it clear Souls > Concepts then I guess that could change some things. Are souls in nature 40 layers?

Dante would have to fight as a soul I guess then, like a ghost. Abstract don't matter for layers, those are seperate things. Layers for hax and resistance.

Even given Souls being superior compared to Concepts I don’t see it being a definitive factor. Honestly the longer this battle goes on the more Goku is inclined to having to pull out his larger arsenal. If he resorts to pulling out Arale, I’m certain Arale would just narratively ruin Dante with her 18 layers of narrative EE IIRC.

I mean can Goku come back from insta kill? i doubt he reviving after soul destruction. Would he even realise he is in trouble before he dies?

It’s also really dubious to say Goku would essentially allow himself to keep being killed via artillery with hax. Goku is portrayed as stupid at times, yeah, but he isn’t a slouch in combat. He’s going to notice something strange and adapt accordingly when an infinitely weaker character is somehow wielding power to insta kill him.

Did not call him stupid, just that Dante is wierd opponent for him with more than meets the eye. Goku won't have time for trial and error.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Dante would have to fight as a soul I guess then, like a ghost. Abstract don't matter for layers, those are seperate things. Layers for hax and resistance.

I mean can Goku come back from insta kill? i doubt he reviving after soul destruction. Would he even realise he is in trouble before he dies?

Did not call him stupid, just that Dante is wierd opponent for him with more than meets the eye. Goku won't have time for trial and error.

Apologies on assuming you called him stupid. Just that many people think he’s stupid when he really isn’t. Do you have any scans of Dante being able to operate as a soul? Do we have any additional mention of him retaining his abilities?


Time power, which is one of goku's passives, is a conceptual energy source that's more fundamental, abstract and more 'conceptual' than Multiversal spanning concepts such as Good and evil [as well as laws, non existent conceptual places and other conceptual energy sources]. Secondly, can dante fight as a soul if his body is erased- no, if his body, soul, mind, memories, past present future, concept, law, information and textual existent is erased from all of time while he is getting damaged on those levels, crushed, melted by big bang level heat, have his stamina be damaged as well, and getting his powers nullified passively, instantly and across all of time? Because if he can't handle the Aura of UT:SSB then the fight can't happen and is meaningless. And from Dante's profile, his RE isn't enough to handle all of this + 1c damage, and goku has RE that's arguably superior to Dante, and not to mention the other bs passives that I didn't bother to list.

(By good and evil I mean positive energy, negative energy and evil itself being concept)

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Natural state of demon is soul, the physical body is merely a manifestation. They are spirits. You can refer to physiology page again.

Time power, which is one of goku's passives, is a conceptual energy source that's more fundamental, abstract and more 'conceptual' than Multiversal spanning concepts such as Good and evil [as well as laws, non existent conceptual places and other conceptual energy sources].

Oh? So does DBH have an accepted hierarchy of abstractions and metaphysics, especially for CM or is that just layers you are mistaking as "more abstract"? If what you are saying is true, then yeah this match is a stomp.

And from Dante's profile, his RE isn't enough to handle all of this

Dante can handle RE for whatever hax his own verse throws at him, but if Goku has hax not shown in DMC verse in any format than sure Dante might fall short.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Natural state of demon is soul, the physical body is merely a manifestation. They are spirits. You can refer to physiology page again.

Oh? So does DBH have an accepted hierarchy of abstractions and metaphysics, especially for CM or is that just layers you are mistaking as "more abstract"? If what you are saying is true, then yeah this match is a stomp.

For Dragon Ball Heroes’ hierarchy you can refer to this. It’s listed more towards the nature tabber. Theres also several extrapolation on time itself which you can find throughout the page.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The only "smurf hax" (if even that given it could be range now a days) is hax tied to dimensions: time, space, pocket reality and all that stuff. The rest are fair game for everyone, hence why even a random 10C with more layers than a 1B can hax them to death.

What does this “soul crush” do? And how is it activated?

Dante is always holding back in canon, except when he is either bloodlusted/Angry (Vol1, VoV, Mundus) or going all out (Mundus, Chen, Vergil) so in Dante's case its just a matter of not holding back. DT state and higher all his passives are just always there since he can't hold back that.

Induces fear, madness, despair and crushes the soul to the point they go insane and mutilate/kill themselves if they don't outright die.