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Invincible Season 4 General Discussion Thread
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Makes sense to me.
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No ******* clue.
My headcanon is that the planet was destabilitised, but the damage wouldn't be permanant, the trio just going through caused even more collateral damage resulting in the planet being unable to stabilize itself causing it to blow up. Only problem is this is headcanon
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so would they scale the core's gbe or?
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Anyways, they should at least scale to the intial explosion that pushed thragg away from the planet
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Watched the episode. Still think the Conquest rematch was better but this was amazing too.
As for the feat, now I haven't read the comics yet so I'm clueless of additional context but it seems more of a chain reaction of them destabilizing the core so take that as you will with the gun opening the path for them to enter the core with full force.
As for the feat, now I haven't read the comics yet so I'm clueless of additional context but it seems more of a chain reaction of them destabilizing the core so take that as you will with the gun opening the path for them to enter the core with full force.
Arkenis
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Its basically the same thing in comics.
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For the most part is identical to the comics, the differences are that Thadeus never says that they would die if they didn't time their impact against the planet's core in the show, they also never said that Space Racer's made the core unstable
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It seems as though the show leaves out some lines here and there on purpose to reduce the work load. So if someone tries to name it a retcon then it would be too speculative... That's of course if someone tries it.
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It would be headcanon at this point trying to apply comic's logic to the show tho
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Wdym? It's an adaptation of the comic — just a bit of changes here and there but it wouldn't be as extreme as one may think
Excellence616
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Are you sure?
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My view on this version of the Viltrum feat.
The beam carved a hole throw the planet, cutting down on how much force the viltrumites are taking. The viltrumites themselves created a pressure cone that expanded their area of effect. Their impact began radiating through the surface. The beam hits the core, causing an explosion. The viltrumites follow closely behind the beam, exiting just behind it, causing a large ejection from the planet.
The beam was not used alone, and vice versa. What I am seeing is the the beam did weaken the planet, but the viltrumites themselves were causing a ton of destruction to the planet by themselves. They could not effect the entire surface of the planet without the beam giving them a passage through.
The viltrumites fractured the surface and ejected a ton of material from both ends. I cannot say with confidence that they blew the planet up, but I also cannot say the same for the beam. They worked in tandem to soften the planet and the pressure within destroyed it entirely.
The bare minimum I believe is fair for the trio is to ascribe the destruction of the surface and both ends to them. Anything further makes it necessary that we get official input on who did what.
For anyone who believes the Infinity Gun blowing up the star makes this a non feat for the Viltrumites, I say that is a tale imaged by Mark based on Nolan's admitted incomplete research. Non of the viltrumites break apart when hit by the beam. The beam does not blow up asteroids. The beam blows up ships that have fuel and power that also blow up when hit by viltrumites. The characters do not question the tactic. The beam did not destroy Viltrum.
The beam carved a hole throw the planet, cutting down on how much force the viltrumites are taking. The viltrumites themselves created a pressure cone that expanded their area of effect. Their impact began radiating through the surface. The beam hits the core, causing an explosion. The viltrumites follow closely behind the beam, exiting just behind it, causing a large ejection from the planet.
The beam was not used alone, and vice versa. What I am seeing is the the beam did weaken the planet, but the viltrumites themselves were causing a ton of destruction to the planet by themselves. They could not effect the entire surface of the planet without the beam giving them a passage through.
The viltrumites fractured the surface and ejected a ton of material from both ends. I cannot say with confidence that they blew the planet up, but I also cannot say the same for the beam. They worked in tandem to soften the planet and the pressure within destroyed it entirely.
The bare minimum I believe is fair for the trio is to ascribe the destruction of the surface and both ends to them. Anything further makes it necessary that we get official input on who did what.
For anyone who believes the Infinity Gun blowing up the star makes this a non feat for the Viltrumites, I say that is a tale imaged by Mark based on Nolan's admitted incomplete research. Non of the viltrumites break apart when hit by the beam. The beam does not blow up asteroids. The beam blows up ships that have fuel and power that also blow up when hit by viltrumites. The characters do not question the tactic. The beam did not destroy Viltrum.
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We're NOT having this here.
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Just accept the brainrot already twin
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Yeah, sorry, but they could've just used the dialogue, but they didn't, and don't come with some bs like "it was to make things flow better", they could've easily just shorten the Viltrum's explosion scene a little and add those lines, but they decided to not used them, they aren't canon to the show continuity
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As said before, I haven't read the comic so I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. Only you guyz know better what works and what not. This is just my personal opinion from what I perceived.
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Imo, Space Racer's gun simply stopped the GBE of the planet but the Viltrumites caused the explosion, hence the core explicitly being capable of restabilization against just the Infinity Ray in the comics (but y'know that's basically a different verse atp)
The explosion of Viltrum is also contradictory to how the Infinity Ray is shown to blow shit up, the gun is portrayed as causing the Stellar mass to implode and then explode, meanwhile Viltrum was breaking apart, but there was no implosion affects and the big blast that utterly destroyed the planet only happened after the Viltrumites left the Planet's core (see also Space Racer awakening for the first time, and the Infinity Ray does not cause asteroids to explode, so the implosive/explosive capacity is seemingly only against stars specifically)
As for why the Infinity Ray oneshots Viltrumites while they can help and contribute to the destruction of Viltrum... idk penetration or some shit (Mike Tyson punches harder than pistol calibers, but we all know what would happen if someone pulled a gun on him)
The explosion of Viltrum is also contradictory to how the Infinity Ray is shown to blow shit up, the gun is portrayed as causing the Stellar mass to implode and then explode, meanwhile Viltrum was breaking apart, but there was no implosion affects and the big blast that utterly destroyed the planet only happened after the Viltrumites left the Planet's core (see also Space Racer awakening for the first time, and the Infinity Ray does not cause asteroids to explode, so the implosive/explosive capacity is seemingly only against stars specifically)
As for why the Infinity Ray oneshots Viltrumites while they can help and contribute to the destruction of Viltrum... idk penetration or some shit (Mike Tyson punches harder than pistol calibers, but we all know what would happen if someone pulled a gun on him)
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It's a shame that Allen is legitimately just on par with most Viltrumites. Thinking it over, it could very well be an intentional way of eliminating any question of whether or not he could've faced Thragg alone, which the comic portrayed him as during his fights with other Viltrumites (tagged teamed and Nolan).
The more interesting aspect out of that is the level of potency achieved from the beetle toxin. They are essentially isolated versions of the Scourge Virus. That brings with it a dangerous implication from a story perspective. One would hope it would be brought up during the story finale being as sound does only so much and a vacuum renders said opposition entirely moot.
Thragg is absolutely the far and away strongest character so far. That's certainly a treat, despite the lack bits of dialogue. That aspect honestly dips the show far me, as a lot of the dialogue is inn general not an upgrade.
The rognarr are a ton more vulnerable in space, not unlike Battle Beast. Very cool.
The more interesting aspect out of that is the level of potency achieved from the beetle toxin. They are essentially isolated versions of the Scourge Virus. That brings with it a dangerous implication from a story perspective. One would hope it would be brought up during the story finale being as sound does only so much and a vacuum renders said opposition entirely moot.
Thragg is absolutely the far and away strongest character so far. That's certainly a treat, despite the lack bits of dialogue. That aspect honestly dips the show far me, as a lot of the dialogue is inn general not an upgrade.
The rognarr are a ton more vulnerable in space, not unlike Battle Beast. Very cool.
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Pretty sure the calc isn't for the planet's destruction, but the part where they exit the planet. There's really nothing wrong with the feat, its just like why can't they survive the planet's core? Like sure we dismiss it, but then okay, they shouldn't have regular ap be L5B, they had fly really fast to generate the energy, something they don't normally do.
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Ok, small correction. The beam didn't cause an explosion when it hit the core. It was WAY before the core. That said, that's the only time we're shown it causing an explosion, and it's not the biggest.
This is conjucture, but I believe it could be a fusion reaction. The beam doesn't look to have any area of effect unlike the viltrumites, which is probably because it's annihilating matter, though that wouldn't track with fusion, maybe. Again, pure conjecture, but I think it's a neat thought.
This is conjucture, but I believe it could be a fusion reaction. The beam doesn't look to have any area of effect unlike the viltrumites, which is probably because it's annihilating matter, though that wouldn't track with fusion, maybe. Again, pure conjecture, but I think it's a neat thought.
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One thing i like about Thragg this episode compared to the comics is he doesn't take damage whatsoever, in the comics Mark had him bleed a bit from some of his punches here he no sells his punch and Mark even hurts his hand when punching him
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Also forgot to mention but the Animated Viltrum feat might have become my favorite planet bust depiction, specially with the volcanic activity, earthquakes, lightning and the complete collapse of the Empire's heart.
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I'm working on one rn
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That Thragg punch looked pretty cool
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I think this is ultimately how the beam works in either canon. I don't think you can scale them to the full yield of the planet bust, but they ejected material and cause further core damage, so they were needed in some way to cause the planetary collapse.
Additionally, Thragg realized what was going on pretty quickly, indicating that he also pieced together what Nolan was planning and was sure it would work.
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Nolan's description of his Viltrumite heritage during the season 1 finale seems to imply he was born after the purge. But it looks like Young Nolan was there when Thragg gave his speech. Did they intend to prove otherwise or is this a case of reused assets?
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reused model and i think it's his dad
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How the Star destroying gun is moving to buff and simultaneously nerf a plent busting feat for years to come
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I finally finished calculating the Viltrum feat.
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Well damn, that sure does support Dawrf Star level
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Also I don't think we should use any timeframe from the show for the comic version of the feat since it's vastly different in presentation and the TV Series has a lot of cinematic timing and extended the few panels in the comic. I think we should use a 1 or 5 second timeframe, whatever is accepted here for a quick action occurring in one panel. I'll be busy tomorrow but I can add a timeframe to my currently accepted calc this weekend and the comics will get a pretty nice buff too. We're also gonna need a crt to decide which calc to use for the comics sun disk but that can be later and I have 2 calcs that I think are pretty solid in approach that I'd want to add. Tbf all the comics stuff is probably gonna take a backseat till we get all the show stuff covered.
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Viltrum, a normal planet, does not have 4-C or High 4-C durability.
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This would be much easier if we knew what space Racer's gun actually does. Is it Kinetic projectile with infinite kinetic energy ? Is it a heat based projectile at plank temparature ? Or is it a anti matter projectile ?
But we have some stuff to explain some shit. According to Nolan "It was said to emit an unstoppable energy wave that destroyed anything in its path"
So a kinetic energy based shot. But then other hand it clearly melts and burns whatever it passes through to glowing hot levels. Something btw that is show exclusive.
In the comics it just tears flesh like a canon ball. So currently my theory is that,
Show Infinity ray - Immensely high heat based projectile.
Comics Infinity ray - A Kinetic energy based projectile.
Now if it's a heat based projectile like the show heavily shows it to be, I can actually see the shot causing a fusion like reaction in the core of the planet.
But we have some stuff to explain some shit. According to Nolan "It was said to emit an unstoppable energy wave that destroyed anything in its path"
So a kinetic energy based shot. But then other hand it clearly melts and burns whatever it passes through to glowing hot levels. Something btw that is show exclusive.
In the comics it just tears flesh like a canon ball. So currently my theory is that,
Show Infinity ray - Immensely high heat based projectile.
Comics Infinity ray - A Kinetic energy based projectile.
Now if it's a heat based projectile like the show heavily shows it to be, I can actually see the shot causing a fusion like reaction in the core of the planet.
AthelChan
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what superman variant did this, its hella cold
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superboy prime
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