Murder Drones CRT: Black Hole Calculation Removal

[Kirua29]

To clarify somewhat, I believe what he is referring to is the following scene, where the computer displays a series of circles labelled various solar systems and then marks them as destroyed. I don't remember if the computer provided dates

Also, I don't know if this monster of a thread has already been, but the storyboards directly call Nulls specifically black holes, and there's also an example of them being created by immense compression Story board screenshot Has the screenshot of the compression thing sorry for the Reddit posts but I don't know how to make a video open at a specific time

I know, I’ve already provided 10 pieces of evidence that null is black hole, but it doesn’t matter—they just don’t believe us.

 

[AlloyAmi]

Exactly, that shows that when she thought she had won, she resumed the destruction, and then it stopped again afterward.

no it doesnt? nothing ever suggests her stopping.

No, it was never shown that a Null can continue to grow after its creation; its final size is already seen at the beginning of episode 8. But I have to admit something: the one that’s supposed to destroy Copper 9 takes longer to be created than the one that destroyed Earth (even if it's not by much). So I’m withdrawing my argument that it would take about 1 second to destroy Proxima, since it just depends on the scene and there doesn’t seem to be a consistent logic to it. However, I’m not retracting the fact that it took 0.2 seconds for Earth based on my calculation.

the one from earth is significantly larger as shown here, this would literally have to be the case considering they are replicating the exact feat.

No, once again, in episode 4 we clearly see that the Null is in space. We also see it again in space in episode 8. Also, we see it in the short where Doll is playing Monopoly and she’s on Earth. Even if that scene is only half-canon since Doll has never actually been to Earth, the Null is still placed in space by Glitch, which shows that it’s at least partially canon.

can you prove thats even the null that destroyed earth? nulls are used a bajillion times in the series for other things and that null wasnt even doing anything in the scenes you sent. and even playing devils advocate that it is, this unironically further proves my point on the nulls growing overtime, because that null in all your scans is super small considering the final scale we see it at here. so either way you interpret this theres still the very evident issue of them not being at immediate full power and range.

 

[Kirua29]

no it doesnt? nothing ever suggests her stopping.

At the beginning of the episode, we see destruction everywhere, then nothing during the fight against Uzi—we don’t even see the tentacles anymore. Then we see them again a bit when she thought Uzi wasn’t there and that there was only an injured N and a desperate V, and there, yes, we see the tentacles again—but after that, once again, nothing. I wouldn’t agree on that point, so if you still don’t agree after my explanation, I won’t bring it up again unless it’s really worth it, because I don’t want us to get into a circular debate.

the one from earth is significantly larger as shown here, this would literally have to be the case considering they are replicating the exact feat.

The problem is that in the scenes I showed you (episodes 4, 8, and the Doll Monopoly one), we don’t know the distance between the POV and the Null. So without calculating the angle, it’s impossible to determine its real size. And to calculate the angle, you need to know that distance. Therefore, it’s impossible to know the Null’s size without knowing the distance, since in math, the apparent size depends on how far away it is.

can you prove thats even the null that destroyed earth? nulls are used a bajillion times in the series for other things and that null wasnt even doing anything in the scenes you sent. and even playing devils advocate that it is, this unironically further proves my point on the nulls growing overtime, because that null in all your scans is super small considering the final scale we see it at here. so either way you interpret this theres still the very evident issue of them not being at immediate full power and range.

I’ve already debunked the size, and yes, it is the Null because there’s nothing else in the Solver’s abilities that can do that or looks like it.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

The Null that destroyed Earth measured 54,311,000 meters and was created in 0.2 seconds. Proxima measures 214,500,000 meters, so it would take roughly 1 second to create a Null large enough to engulf everything.

I'll ignore that the Earth thing is obviously wrong for a moment, since the Null is blatantly smaller than Earth, and Earth's diameter is about twelve million meters.

I believe I am now beginning to understand what you're saying. I need to clarify things for you. Proxima Centauri is both the solar system, and the star in the solar system. There is no solar system in the universe with a size as small as you're describing. What you're getting values for, instead, is the star that is in said solar system, also called Proxima Centauri. This star is vastly smaller than our own.

 

[Camerontaylor07]

I'll ignore that the Earth thing is obviously wrong for a moment, since the Null is blatantly smaller than Earth, and Earth's diameter is about twelve million meters.

I believe I am now beginning to understand what you're saying. I need to clarify things for you. Proxima Centauri is both the solar system, and the star in the solar system. There is no solar system in the universe with a size as small as you're describing. What you're getting values for, instead, is the star that is in said solar system, also called Proxima Centauri. This star is vastly smaller than our own.

Can't say much about the first bit but I'll add that there is another system simply labelled plat binary system and our own was also included in the destroyed list if that changes anything, I may occasionally but in if I feel there's something to add it seems the black hole discussion is over for now i think there pretty blatantly meant to be black holes with a lot more evidence than a few of verses get away with but if that discustion is intended to be over for this thread ill drop it

 

[Kirua29]

I'll ignore that the Earth thing is obviously wrong for a moment, since the Null is blatantly smaller than Earth, and Earth's diameter is about twelve million meters.

I’m not making up the Null’s size—its size was calculated using an angular size calculator used on the solar system level calculation, and they got 54,311,000 meters. I’m just reusing information that has been validated by CGMs.

I believe I am now beginning to understand what you're saying. I need to clarify things for you. Proxima Centauri is both the solar system, and the star in the solar system. There is no solar system in the universe with a size as small as you're describing. What you're getting values for, instead, is the star that is in said solar system, also called Proxima Centauri. This star is vastly smaller than our own.

Ahh, my bad. I made a mistake, Proxima is actually about ≈ 4.49 × 10¹⁵ meters in diameter, which is completely different. When I looked up its size, I ended up finding the size of the star itself and thought that was the whole system. That’s where the misunderstanding came from, my bad.

Even though I was completely wrong about that, I still maintain that Cyn destroyed that system — it just wasn’t as fast as I initially thought… not even close lol.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Let me try to explain what has happened here:

• Someone calculated the size of Earth's Null incorrectly, leading to a size that seems to be about 7x what it actually would be. Angsizing is an imperfect science.
• Kirua was extrapolating from the fact that this Null formed in 0.2 seconds, that the Null that destroyed Proxima Centauri would form in about 1 second, based on the size difference of the places.
• To determine this, Kirua got the size of Proxima Centauri, and misunderstood it as the size of the system of Proxima Centauri; instead, they are using the size of the star itself.

So not only would this not be a 4-B feat, but it isn't even a 4-C feat, as the star is leagues smaller than our own sun (which is the baseline for 4-C). I don't really believe the timeframe thing much either way.

Can't say much about the first bit but I'll add that there is another system simply labelled plat binary system and our own was also included in the destroyed list if that changes anything, I may occasionally but in if I feel there's something to add it seems the black hole discussion is over for now i think there pretty blatantly meant to be black holes with a lot more evidence than a few of verses get away with but if that discustion is intended to be over for this thread ill drop it

All of that said. You are free to believe what you like! VS Battles is a site that does its best with the information given. If you internally believe they are black holes and should be treated as such, it is your given right to do so. But in terms of our policies, the evidence is weaker than necessary to grant these calculations validity.

I’m not making up the Null’s size—its size was calculated using an angular size calculator used on the solar system level calculation, and they got 54,311,000 meters. I’m just reusing information that has been validated by CGMs.


Ahh, my bad. I made a mistake — Proxima is actually about ≈ 4.49 × 10¹⁵ meters in diameter, which is completely different. When I looked up its size, I ended up finding the size of the star itself and thought that was the whole system. That’s where the misunderstanding came from, my bad.

Even though I was completely wrong about that, I still maintain that Cyn destroyed that system — it just wasn’t as fast as I initially thought… not even close lol.

Please, guys, you need to try to understand what I'm saying. The communications breakdowns are impossible to deal with.

Obviously you didn't make up the size. I replied to the very calc you linked! But I am saying that it is obviously wrong. I, too, am a Calc Group Member, and it doesn't require a CGM to see that the numbers don't line up at all.

With that out of the way. The Proxima Centauri feat does not seem especially relevant to the current discussion. Does that leave us, then, with the destruction of Earth calc at 5-B?

 

[Kirua29]

Please, guys, you need to try to understand what I'm saying. The communications breakdowns are impossible to deal with.

Obviously you didn't make up the size. I replied to the very calc you linked! But I am saying that it is obviously wrong. I, too, am a Calc Group Member, and it doesn't require a CGM to see that the numbers don't line up at all.

With that out of the way. The Proxima Centauri feat does not seem especially relevant to the current discussion. Does that leave us, then, with the destruction of Earth calc at 5-B?

No, actually, for Proxima it was just a question I was asking you. I wanted to try debating it with you to see if it could hold up in a CRT. I wasn’t trying to prove anything related to the calculation—I’m not defending the calc anymore. I actually agree with you now, since the calc is wrong. Even though I still see the Null as a black hole, its size is exaggerated, so it shouldn’t be solar system level. Thats all.

 

[Kirua29]

Let me try to explain what has happened here:

• Someone calculated the size of Earth's Null incorrectly, leading to a size that seems to be about 7x what it actually would be. Angsizing is an imperfect science.
• Kirua was extrapolating from the fact that this Null formed in 0.2 seconds, that the Null that destroyed Proxima Centauri would form in about 1 second, based on the size difference of the places.
• To determine this, Kirua got the size of Proxima Centauri, and misunderstood it as the size of the system of Proxima Centauri; instead, they are using the size of the star itself.

So not only would this not be a 4-B feat, but it isn't even a 4-C feat, as the star is leagues smaller than our own sun (which is the baseline for 4-C). I don't really believe the timeframe thing much either way.


All of that said. You are free to believe what you like! VS Battles is a site that does its best with the information given. If you internally believe they are black holes and should be treated as such, it is your given right to do so. But in terms of our policies, the evidence is weaker than necessary to grant these calculations validity.

Please, guys, you need to try to understand what I'm saying. The communications breakdowns are impossible to deal with.

Obviously you didn't make up the size. I replied to the very calc you linked! But I am saying that it is obviously wrong. I, too, am a Calc Group Member, and it doesn't require a CGM to see that the numbers don't line up at all.

With that out of the way. The Proxima Centauri feat does not seem especially relevant to the current discussion. Does that leave us, then, with the destruction of Earth calc at 5-B?

So, since we both agree on that, I wanted to ask you something else. I was thinking about redoing the calc without treating it as a black hole, so that it stays within your standards, but I would take Subatomic Destruction into account instead, because the destruction is total since everything that comes into contact with the Null disappears, given that it is a spacetime anomaly. Even if you do not agree with calling it a black hole, we can at least agree on the term anomaly, right?


And if I do the calc quickly right now, could you check it and validate it, of course only if you agree with, so I can replace that feat with a crt and not waste more time, please? If not, thanks anyway, I will go ask on the calc thread, but that is going to take months again...

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So, since we both agree on that, I wanted to ask you something else. I was thinking about redoing the calc without treating it as a black hole, so that it stays within your standards, but I would take Subatomic Destruction into account instead, because the destruction is total since everything that comes into contact with the Null disappears, given that it is a spacetime anomaly. Even if you do not agree with calling it a black hole, we can at least agree on the term anomaly, right?


And if I do the calc quickly right now, could you check it and validate it, of course only if you agree with, so I can replace that feat with a crt and not waste more time, please? If not, thanks anyway, I will go ask on the calc thread, but that is going to take months again...

It's an anomaly, sure, but that doesn't relate to Subatomic Destruction. You'd need evidence for that. The most basic end for this would be Pulv.

 

[Camerontaylor07]

No, actually, for Proxima it was just a question I was asking you. I wanted to try debating it with you to see if it could hold up in a CRT. I wasn’t trying to prove anything related to the calculation—I’m not defending the calc anymore. I actually agree with you now, since the calc is wrong. Even though I still see the Null as a black hole, its size is exaggerated, so it shouldn’t be solar system-level. That's all.

Not debating but it'd depend on whether you used E=mc2 or Shwardzchild, the former should still be solar even if it were 100th the size

Also curious what is wrong with the calc?

We have moved on from black holes, I'm just curious

 

[Kirua29]

It's an anomaly, sure, but that doesn't relate to Subatomic Destruction. You'd need evidence for that. The most basic end for this would be Pulv.

Okay, and what do you think about using Vaporization as a low-end, Atomization as a mid-end, and Subatomic Destruction as a high-end? Since it’s a spatial anomaly that annihilates its target, it seems like a safe option to propose all three interpretations. Pulverization feels too low for what’s being shown. Its should work for you ?

 

[Kirua29]

Not debating but itd depend on if you used E=mc2 or shwardzchild the former should still be solar even if it were 100th the size

It’s a bit more complex than that.

Also curious what is wrong with the calc?

the value used for the Null’s size is completely incorrect. The calc gives a size of 54,311,000 meters, which would mean the Null is more than 4× larger than Earth. But that’s not visually possible—if it were that big, the Moon would also be destroyed due to its size, which clearly isn’t the case. The Null is obviously smaller than Earth, so the calc is false.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Okay, and what do you think about using Vaporization as a low-end, Atomization as a mid-end, and Subatomic Destruction as a high-end? Since it’s a spatial anomaly that annihilates its target, it seems like a safe option to propose all three interpretations. Pulverization feels too low for what’s being shown. Its should work for you ?

I could see Vape, at least. There would need to be more justification for Atomization and Subatomic-- specific mentioned qualities that might imply these things.

 

[Kirua29]

I could see Vape, at least. There would need to be more justification for Atomization and Subatomic-- specific mentioned qualities that might imply these things.

mmh, correct me if I'm wrong but for anhilation, atomization is not the minimum required? because vaporization considers that the matter is vaporized, and therefore there remains something, exept absolutely nothing remains, its like a reality warping. the only thing I see possibly remaining is the atoms. If you still don't agree with atomization I'll take vape

 

[Starfall-Endowment]

It’s a bit more complex than that.


the value used for the Null’s size is completely incorrect. The calc gives a size of 54,311,000 meters, which would mean the Null is more than 4× larger than Earth. But that’s not visually possible—if it were that big, the Moon would also be destroyed due to its size, which clearly isn’t the case. The Null is obviously smaller than Earth, so the calc is false.

True!

 

[Starfall-Endowment]

I forgot to give my opinion, so i disagree on NULLS not being Black Holes given the evidences, but i agree on the Solar System calc being invalid due to the radius of the Schwarzschild radius, i did a recalc on that 3 days ago but i might recalc it again.

 

[Camerontaylor07]

It’s a bit more complex than that.


The value used for the Null’s size is completely incorrect. The calc gives a size of 54,311,000 meters, which would mean the Null is more than 4× larger than Earth. But that’s not visually possible—if it were that big, the Moon would also be destroyed due to its size, which clearly isn’t the case. The Null is obviously smaller than Earth, so the calc is false.

Not disputing the Null would be the size of or smaller than Earth, but can't 30 Earths fit between Earth and the moon so it would be fine, wouldn't it even if it was that size but semantics I don't really have any more to add other than Null being a tool used to completely destroy something reduce it to nothing even visually when somethings been engulfed we see no rubble no bits no vapor no nothing just gone so that should at least be atomisation right

 

[Starfall-Endowment]

Not disputing the Null would be the size of or smaller than Earth, but can't 30 Earths fit between Earth and the moon so it would be fine, wouldn't it even if it was that size but semantics I don't really have any more to add other than Null being a tool used to completely destroy something reduce it to nothing even visually when somethings been engulfed we see no rubble no bits no vapor no nothing just gone so that should at least be atomisation right

The problem is that the NULL size is crazy, Earth averaged diameter is just 12742000 meters while the NULL on the calculation got a result of 54311000 meters in diameter, that is 4.26236069691 times bigger than Earth's average diameter, which doesn't back up visually on episode's 6 feat shot.

 

[Niko]

Reading this, I can tell bro didn't exactly debunk anything and just wanted to end the thread.

 

[RealDuker98]

I'll ignore that the Earth thing is obviously wrong for a moment, since the Null is blatantly smaller than Earth, and Earth's diameter is about twelve million meters.

Buddy you can't refute an argument with "it's obviously wrong"

There's nothing in ep 6 that suggests the [NULL] should be smaller than Earth.

 

[RealDuker98]

Also if we are to go with a size decrease, E = mc^2 should be used via Uzi's statement of "Matter cannot be pulled out of thin air"

 

[RealDuker98]

Easter egg, already addressed, non-serious.

Easter egg =/= invalid

Tertiary piece of evidence, "singularity" has other meanings, and the AI singularity could reasonably apply, I believe.

Now why would that be the case when the hundreds of other notes are correlating ts to black holes

Earth produces gravitational waves, this is just a nothing burger.

DETECTABLE Gravitational Waves

Lots of math there, vague evidence. Also not strictly connected to black holes.

They are supposed to be vital pieces of lore dawg

The arrival of the Disassembly Drones and the planet eating itself

They are also part of Nori's memory files.

Tertiary evidence, presented as an easter egg.

Tertiary evidence and Easter egg =/= invalid

Tertiary evidence, the phrase "black hole" itself is so overused that it borders on irrelevance.

Is that supposed to be an argument? "Oh they use the word 'black hole' so many times it is irrelevant".

So they don't operate as black holes would. For this to work, it requires a very particular interpretation, which isn't strictly true.

You're debunking nothing here bud.

The fact that even after Liam and Glitch try and make direct connections of [NULL]s and Black holes, you dismiss it as 'isn't strictly true', just further proves you just want this verse downgraded.

Tertiary evidence, see point 6.

See my point 6.

This is a property of sufficient gravity. Again, every trait you've been describing as a black hole having, Earth also has.

Didn't know Earth generates 'Detectable Gravitational Waves'.

The counter evidence has no complications to it. I'm voting that these should be removed. I would like us to discuss what to do with the verse now that these are not regarded to be black holes. I have been told that the next best feats are probably Tier 5, now would be the time to conjure those for use.

My man you simply dismissed the Counter Evidences without actual reasoning.

Anyways voting for the calc to stay btw(if not obvious).

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I considered responding to the above posts, but half of them are made in such a tone that I don't care to ride the carousel again, nor would it serve any purpose to do so.

What ought to be known is that my role here is not to pick a side and debate for it, nor is that the role of Fine or any other member of the evaluating staff. Our role is, instead, to serve as judge, not lawyer. You are not debating the judge, you are making a case to them for their evaluation. I'm not here to debunk you or argue with you or anything. I'm not even remotely interested in this verse one way or the other. I am simply here to evaluate things from the perspective of the site's policies and standards. From that perspective, the evidence provided is not sufficient for Nulls to be classified as black holes. No amount of condescension or insistent debate will change that without some level of additional evidence; at this time, it is my inference that there is no additional evidence, otherwise it would have been brought up.

The aim of this thread, now, is to adequately replace the black hole feats. If you cannot be constructive in that discussion, I invite you to leave. This is a CRT and we will be constructive here.

 

[Starfall-Endowment]

I considered responding to the above posts, but half of them are made in such a tone that I don't care to ride the carousel again, nor would it serve any purpose to do so.

What ought to be known is that my role here is not to pick a side and debate for it, nor is that the role of Fine or any other member of the evaluating staff. Our role is, instead, to serve as judge, not lawyer. You are not debating the judge, you are making a case to them for their evaluation. I'm not here to debunk you or argue with you or anything. I'm not even remotely interested in this verse one way or the other. I am simply here to evaluate things from the perspective of the site's policies and standards. From that perspective, the evidence provided is not sufficient for Nulls to be classified as black holes. No amount of condescension or insistent debate will change that without some level of additional evidence; at this time, it is my inference that there is no additional evidence, otherwise it would have been brought up.

The aim of this thread, now, is to adequately replace the black hole feats. If you cannot be constructive in that discussion, I invite you to leave. This is a CRT and we will be constructive here.

Since the beggining i feel like this discussion regarding the NULLS being black holes should be made in another thread more deeply, i guess. That's is further supported by the fact that this thread is active since a long time ago and kinda deserves a new one? in my opinion.

 

[RealDuker98]

I considered responding to the above posts, but half of them are made in such a tone that I don't care to ride the carousel again, nor would it serve any purpose to do so.

I am sorry our 'tone' seems to be this way as it is pointing out your abuse of power. You dismiss claims by calling them 'weak evidences' without actual reasoning.

The aim of this thread, now, is to adequately replace the black hole feats. If you cannot be constructive in that discussion, I invite you to leave. This is a CRT and we will be constructive here.

Ironic isn't it?

Ik I sound like an asshole right now, so I understand if you do not respond to this.

 

[RealDuker98]

deserves a new one?

Agreed.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Since the beggining i feel like this discussion regarding the NULLS being black holes should be made in another thread more deeply, i guess. That's is further supported by the fact that this thread is active since a long time ago and kinda deserves a new one? in my opinion.

This thread is fully centered on this topic, and we've already reached a conclusion regarding the black holes. The conversation is now about what to replace them with.

I am sorry our 'tone' seems to be this way as it is pointing out your abuse of power. You dismiss claims by calling them 'weak evidences' without actual reasoning.

Ironic isn't it?

Ik I sound like an asshole right now, so I understand if you do not respond to this.

I believe it is your intent to be aggressive. Knock it off.

 

[RealDuker98]

I believe it is your intent to be aggressive. Knock it off.

Really, 'aggressive'?

Pointing out the truth and flaws in your argument isn't 'aggressive'.

If I was yelling in your face about the things stated above, then sure I am 'aggressive'.

But we should make a new thread as @Starfall-Endowment said. This one was too old to continue in.

However, no further changes should be made untill then.

 

[Starfall-Endowment]

Agreed.

Right now, i'm trying to find new feats for replacement!

 

[Niko]

In the end I still don't see any debunk from Bambu's side but aight, let's go with Starfall's new thread.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Really, 'aggressive'?

Pointing out the truth and flaws in your argument isn't 'aggressive'.

If I was yelling in your face about the things stated above, then sure I am 'aggressive'.

But we should make a new thread as @Starfall-Endowment said. This one was too old to continue in.

However, no further changes should be made untill then.

You're certainly aware of what you're doing, you even edited a message to give a nod to it. You're refusing to be conductive, you're trying to pick a fight. I am asking you a final time to knock it off. If you cannot avoid this combative tone, I'm going to threadban you, in the name of reaching a conclusion here.

As for the idea of a new thread: No. It doesn't matter that the thread is "old". We don't need to draw this out. The only reason to make a new thread would be to draw it out. This thread is technically concluded, it is not just in service of finding what, precisely, to replace the values with.

In the end I still don't see any debunk from Bambu's side but aight, let's go with Starfall's new thread.

Some day this wiki will drive me mad. Some day. I feel it is unavoidable.

 

[ShionAH]

I feel it is unavoidable.

Nothing is unavoidable Bambu.

 

[Niko]

This thread is technically concluded, it is not just in service of finding what, precisely, to replace the values with.

So, you didn't debunk anything, just rejecting and then concluded it? Wild.

Some day this wiki will drive me mad. Some day. I feel it is unavoidable.

I am... Inevitable.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So, you didn't debunk anything, just rejecting and then concluded it? Wild.

I am... Inevitable.

I responded to everything! But I won't go on this carousel with you. No new evidence has been provided. No new arguments, even. It's just "well I think it's right! Debate me!" That's not what I'm here for. I am here to listen to you and decide. But as is so often the case, the side that is disagreed with becomes so toxically combative and accusatory. This site has something about it that demands this sort of behavior over issues as insanely petty as a 4-B rating over a 5-B one.

At this point, we're waiting for the possibility of a hasty calc from @Kirua29. That's it. Because the thread is rapidly degrading, the temptation exists to simply conclude it, apply the calc that is currently done, and let a later thread handle whatever calc is produced from Kirua.

 

[Kirua29]

I responded to everything! But I won't go on this carousel with you. No new evidence has been provided. No new arguments, even. It's just "well I think it's right! Debate me!" That's not what I'm here for. I am here to listen to you and decide. But as is so often the case, the side that is disagreed with becomes so toxically combative and accusatory. This site has something about it that demands this sort of behavior over issues as insanely petty as a 4-B rating over a 5-B one.

At this point, we're waiting for the possibility of a hasty calc from @Kirua29. That's it. Because the thread is rapidly degrading, the temptation exists to simply conclude it, apply the calc that is currently done, and let a later thread handle whatever calc is produced from Kirua.

So I just started the calculations, I should be finished in a few hours, I think.

I just have one question: if we disagree with the decision made on this CRT, can we try another CRT in a few months with more evidence or better reasoning?

 

[AyOgUyS]

I'm going to leave this open a few days. In that time, I am hoping that @AyOgUyS does his calculation of a Null destroying part of a planet, since it is my understanding this would be the next best feat. Failing that, I will need to be provided the next best feat.

I'll try my best to get some stuff done in about 2-3 days

 

[AyOgUyS]

Just for reference, this is the feat I am talking about. I believe the raw destruction done to the planet can still be calculated.

 

[Kirua29]

I responded to everything! But I won't go on this carousel with you. No new evidence has been provided. No new arguments, even. It's just "well I think it's right! Debate me!" That's not what I'm here for. I am here to listen to you and decide. But as is so often the case, the side that is disagreed with becomes so toxically combative and accusatory. This site has something about it that demands this sort of behavior over issues as insanely petty as a 4-B rating over a 5-B one.

At this point, we're waiting for the possibility of a hasty calc from @Kirua29. That's it. Because the thread is rapidly degrading, the temptation exists to simply conclude it, apply the calc that is currently done, and let a later thread handle whatever calc is produced from Kirua.

So, i finished.

I included both the mid-end and the high-end like I told you, for two reasons. Basically, I argued that the Null acts like a form of reality warping, so we should consider both possibilities. Plus Based on additional information found on the Glitch Inn server (the official Discord server of the studio behind the series), we can see that the Absolute Solver can manipulate mass, matter, and materials. This suggests it operates at a subatomic level, since it alters the very nature of atoms. Is that enough ? Oh, I also forgot about that, but it’s additional evidence for the black hole anyway.

if you want, I can remove them if you disagree, but that would be a bit unfortunate, since I only get Country level for low and mid, and Planet level for high.

“at least Country level” feels weird when they are clearly shown to be higher physically—it wouldn’t really make sense to say physicaly planet level and at least country, possibly higher. It would be more logical for it to be at the same level or higher.

Like you want.

Here : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kirua29/Destruction_of_Earth

 

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Second, I think it would be better if the people on the CRT decide which low/mid/high end to use. I’ve seen that this can be done if all three are accepted. Because it seems to me that you haven't seen the series, so I think it would make more sense to let the community decide.

Can you give a quick summary of the difference between the low-mid-high ends?