Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Agnaa]

I see, fair enough then.

In that case, I'd lean towards undeleting the thread and letting it get evaluated on its own merits.

And I'd suggest that LostLightt should just post scans on websites they can access themselves in the future, instead of relying on someone else posting it on Imgur.

 

[FinePoint]

I essentially agree with Agnaa, barring some absurd scenario where Vzearr is somehow emulating two people and also avoiding sockpuppet detection.

I think it's clear that even though they're friends with Vzearr they did make their own arguments here (and the writing styles reflect that).

I also wouldn't support re-banning the verse yet. I'd consider this 2/3 strikes at worst.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Idk I'm in the UK, I have to wait for vapes to reply so I can get it.

For reference, you can use sites like catbox or image chest, which from what I understand are viewable for UK folk. That way, this issue won't occur again.

 

[FinePoint]

I went ahead and undeleted it given that it seems to have a lot of support including Agnaa, me, and all the staff who have liked the posts, the clear evidence they've provided, as well as the post itself seeming inoffensive.

As a note, though, @LostLightt, we try to be polite and respectful here, so just keep that in mind. I feel advance warning may be needed there given your tone here and in those screenshots (kind of feels like an impression of William Butcher).

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Also, given this, I'd strongly endorse bringing back the restrictions on TR threads. Might move to make a thread on that after this gets some more input.

Agreed.

Additionally, couple of the screenshots brought by LostLight contain a slur, and should probably be deleted

 

[FinePoint]

Agreed.

Additionally, couple of the screenshots brought by LostLight contain a slur, and should probably be deleted

Yes, absolutely.

Even if they're offsite and probably not meant seriously here, Fandom is pretty strict about it and its associates featuring slurs.

I'll try to scrub through and edit them out. If other staff want to look at them they can see the revision history.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Even if they're offsite and probably not meant seriously here, Fandom is pretty strict about it and its associates featuring slurs.

Yes, that was my worry. Didn't immediately deleted them myself since multiple staff had seen them and didn't do so, so thought to brought it up first.

 

[LostLightt]

Mb I can deletee them

 

[FinePoint]

Yes, that was my worry. Didn't immediately deleted them myself since multiple staff had seen them and didn't do so, so thought to brought it up first.

No, you're right. They don't want us even linking or quoting them in any way, I believe.

Did you notice any other than the C word in the first screenshot? I already edited that one out but I'm not sure if I missed something.

(Oh and I edited out the Ant comment too. I know he has thick skin and probably doesn't care, but we don't want to have sexual stuff out in the open either.)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

No, you're right. They don't want us even linking or quoting them in any way, I believe.

Did you notice any other than the C word in the first screenshot? I already edited that one out but I'm not sure if I missed something.

Nah that was it. Took care of the rest while I was at it.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

For what it's worth, I don't think (and never did think) LostLightt was Vzearr. Nevertheless, I do remain of the belief that they are proxying for Vzearr, and did so without any sort of permission (given Vzearr's behavior, I do not think we should extend that sort of permission, either; I think neither party stands to gain). I am not really convinced by their discussion with Agnaa above, it still seems like they have no evidence they could see themselves; everything they received was received from Vzearr.

There remains some support for bringing back restrictions to TR; I am unsure of this. But I would personally propose a topic ban for LostLightt. Someone illegitimately proxying on behalf of a member who was just banned for their interactions with this very verse, should not be allowed to interact with said verse, imo.

 

[LostLightt]

For what it's worth, I don't think (and never did think) LostLightt was Vzearr. Nevertheless, I do remain of the belief that they are proxying for Vzearr, and did so without any sort of permission (given Vzearr's behavior, I do not think we should extend that sort of permission, either; I think neither party stands to gain). I am not really convinced by their discussion with Agnaa above, it still seems like they have no evidence they could see themselves; everything they received was received from Vzearr.

There remains some support for bringing back restrictions to TR; I am unsure of this. But I would personally propose a topic ban for LostLightt. Someone illegitimately proxying on behalf of a member who was just banned for their interactions with this very verse, should not be allowed to interact with said verse, imo.

I provided evidence I was making the thread, with over 10 screenshots from our chats. Whats ur reasoning for denying my evidence? I still got a couple things up my sleeve depending on how u want stuuff to be proven.

Also how do I stop these emails

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I provided evidence I was making the thread, with over 10 screenshots from our chats. Whats ur reasoning for denying my evidence? I still got a couple things up my sleeve depending on how u want stuuff to be proven.

Also how do I stop these emails

Click on the Watch button on top of the page. Click on Unwatch. Click on Watch again and "without receiving emails".

You can make that the default on your profile settings.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I see those messages, but I also see the evidence that you hadn't made the thread. Actions famously speak louder than words. And some of those chats don't really mean anything to me. You calling it "your thread" doesn't mean Vzearr didn't provide the arguments for you. I find it very, very hard to believe you were compelled to make a thread upgrading a verse, but did so without access to your own evidence, especially when in connection with a user who was just banned, who famously did underhanded stuff in relation to said verse.

So I'd just be in favor of not enduring the ordeal. A new user posts a full CRT with scans they can't even see in contact with a banned user known for manipulative stuff like this? I vote for a topic ban. If we favor restrictions on the verse again, I'd be fine with that too, but as I believe this is not Vzearr but rather a friend of Vzearr's, I would like to keep the verse open, and I think a topic ban might achieve the same effect.

 

[LostLightt]

This string of texts kinda proves it was me who made the thread. I'll delete them after you see it cause they got slurs:

Spoiler

Sent out my already typed out thread at 10:06

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24 min later vapes fixes the thread with new scans (dont mind the timeframes of the images some are newer some are older, but they're the same).

Proof provided to agnaa that vapes replaced the content of my msgs.

If vapes weren't the one to send the message first, then why would u assume he was the one to make it. When our conversations before consisted of banter.

Spoiler

Edit:

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technically yesterday vapes also decided to take a break from scaling to watch my little pony (son) cause ant told him, and I told the kid it was good and that I'll handle the verse, so that adds onto the evidence.

 

[Antvasima]

Since Vzearr has not been feeling well, I recommended that he should not watch dark and violent shows such as Tokyo Revengers, and instead focus on friendly and positive shows such as Phineas and Ferb, My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, and Winnie The Pooh, yes.

 

[FinePoint]

So I'd just be in favor of not enduring the ordeal. A new user posts a full CRT with scans they can't even see in contact with a banned user known for manipulative stuff like this? I vote for a topic ban. If we favor restrictions on the verse again, I'd be fine with that too, but as I believe this is not Vzearr but rather a friend of Vzearr's, I would like to keep the verse open, and I think a topic ban might achieve the same effect.

I don't know, the thread seems to be going well so far.

Why not just keep an eye on it and issue a topic ban as soon as things actually start becoming a problem again?

On its surface, I think it's entirely possible to make a CRT without seeing any of the evidence if you simply have an intimate familiarity with the verse and the scenes you're talking about already. Not to mention they may have been looking at the scenes but just in a format not easily embedded onto the wiki, and since they're new they weren't sure how without Vzearr's help. I actually see a lot of new people make full CRTs without any links.

But regardless, I'd rather just tell them not to rely on Vzearr again than ban them immediately before they've really done anything.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

A day without an RVRT post is a day unworth living.

The OP of this thread was accused of plagiarizing their blog from another wiki. After a brief investigation into this, I believe that they mostly avoided plagiarism, as most of their blog was rephrased and altered from the original. However, there was enough 1:1 overlap where nothing of any substance was altered at all. Avoiding plagiarism is a responsibility that falls to the poster copying work from another source, and it is my estimation that this user has failed to do so. However, they failed to do so in a relatively minor way. It is my suggestion, then, that we do not ban this user, but rather:

• extend a serious warning in regards to plagiarism;
• require due credit to be given to the author of the original blog in the new blog;
• give a caveat that should the original blog's author step forward and request deletion personally, we accept their petition, and require the user to write their blog themselves;

This is the blog post on our wiki. This is the source where it was plagiarized from. This post in particular details several points of directly copied phrasing. It is because the blog post on our wiki does go to such lengths to change itself that I suggest what I would consider leniency; it failed, but I believe it did not intend to. I believe the intent was to suitably adapt it, they just missed elements. It is a mistake but it is a very serious one. I would like to extend permission to @ShinMaximillion to post if they have more to add.

 

[Just a Random Butler]

It is my suggestion, then, that we do not ban this user, but rather:

• extend a serious warning in regards to plagiarism;
• require due credit to be given to the author of the original blog in the new blog;
• give a caveat that should the original blog's author step forward and request deletion personally, we accept their petition, and require the user to write their blog themselves;

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

After reading and looking at the contents side by side, the inspiration is very clear.

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Original	VSBW
It holds the Collective Unconscious as a facet of itself, since the lodge entities were considered archetypes as shown before, and metaphors for higher levels of consciousness within the deepest parts of the unconscious mind.	The collective unconsciousness is but a facet of itself, as the lodge entities archetypes are metaphors for higher levels of consciousness within the deepest parts of the unconscious mind.
This soulful enlightenment involves the idea that one conquers the Dweller on the Threshold, and in turn, they represent the fake duality of the light and dark duality and contain all the shadows, in which the unity of opposites lead to the Absolute. In regards to how David Lynch describes his view on unity, he says this, where the world is prevaded by duality and unity is its balancing point.	This soulful enlightenment makes one conquer the Dweller on the Threshold, and in turn, they represent the fake duality of the light and dark duality and contain all the shadows, in which the union of them leads to the Absolute. In regards to how David Lynch describes his view on unity, he says that where the world is prevaded by duality, unity is its balancing point.
The passage Cooper says is from the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which describes the Clear Light as embracing the nature of the Unmanifest, absent and exceeding all qualities, holding light as the source of everything, and beyond distinctions, where the unification of the emptiness of one's own awareness and its inner radiance results in the Dharmakaya, this intrinsic awareness manifests as a great field of light, in which radiance and emptiness are indivisible. This itself is the buddha-nature of unchanging light, beyond birth and death.	The passage Cooper says is from the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which Cooper repeatedly references, which describes the Clear Light as embracing the nature of the Unmanifest, absent and exceeding all qualities, holding light as the source of everything, and beyond distinctions, where the unification of the emptiness of one's own awareness and its inner radiance results in the Dharmakaya, this intrinsic awareness manifests as a great field of light, in which radiance and emptiness are indivisible. This itself is the buddha-nature of unchanging light, beyond birth and death.
Both God and the Purple Sea dissolve into the essence of the Mystery, in which they become the truth beyond the dream where all categories and labels dissolve into silence in face of, if one was to ever wake up from the dream and discover the truth.	The Purple Sea and God dissolve into silence, the essence of the Mystery, where all meaning, all science, all categories and all labels dissolve into, only able to be uncovered by waking up from the dream.
The Mystery is the essence of everything, where all things have a sense of wonder and curiosity to attempt to understand what they are, yet can never do so due to the Mystery being unreachable.	The Mystery is the essence of everything. Everything, and all things have a wonder of curiosity to understand it, created by the Mystery, but never reach it because the mystery is unreachable.
Tesla didn't believe Electricity was Ether itself, but instead an external catalyst that imposed movement for it. All of this fits because Universal Life = Fohat, Fohat = Highest expression of Ether, and Ether is taken as all elements in harmony, where everything is identical to each other. Ether is also taken as a universal element where everything else is just differentiated aspects of it, being infinite, timeless, undying, omnipresent, eternal, boundless, and immutable principle that is absolutely unconditioned. Electricity is the creative force of the dream which extends to all categories of being and non-being. And we also see that Fire is the same as Electricity.	Tesla didn't believe electricity was ether though, however, electricity enforces movement on it. Universal Life is fohat, and fohat is the highest expression of ether. Ether is taken as the harmony of all elements, where everything is identical to one another. Ether is the One universal substance, it is infinite, uncreated, omnipresent, eternal, boundless, immutable, the absolute reality. It pervades the conditioned reality ruled by duality, making it unconditioned and without duality, where everything is a differentiated concept of it.
Everyone has a true dreaming nature, unifying the process of dream, dreamer and dreaming, where every character is but an aspect of their true dreaming state.	Everyone is a dreamer, in a deep sleep where they create their own dream and live in it, unifying dreaming, the dreamer, and dream.
This fits, since Campbell asserts that Thought constitutes Categories, and Categories constitutes Experience.	Campbell asserts that Thought constitutes Categories, and Categories constitutes Experience.
Outside of the dream, there are unconditioned forces serving as the usage of realization for the truth outside of the dream. The Fireman, JUDY and Senorita Dido are used as metaphors for the truth.	Fireman, JUDY and Dido are metaphors for the truth, being forces outside of the dream representing the truth.

There is also significantly more overlap than what was initially pointed out by ShinMaximillion.

I find the blog VERY lacking. Even in sections that were reworded, many of them were not changed enough to meaningfully distinguish (it's too similar) them from the original. Several passages retain the same structure, phrasing, and flow of ideas, with only minor word substitutions. This goes lacking attempt makes it not look like a simple inspiration, so if they were really only inspired, I suggest they get moving and restructure everything pronto.

Moving forward, the user should also ensure that any external material they get their ideas from is fully rewritten in their own words.

While they did attempt to rework parts of the content, such as changing scans and rephrasing, it is not sufficient. The overall flow of ideas remains very similar, the headers follow the same order, and multiple sentence structures are still largely unchanged.

I am also somewhat concerned that, based on how the discussion progressed, there does not appear to be an attempt at proper acknowledgment of PSW or the original author, even when PSW was explicitly mentioned. However, I will not dwell on this matter specifically any further.

 

[ShinMaximillion]

I have no issues with what the VSBW staff decide to take action against the users involved, be it a warning or a ban. I'm sure they know what they're doing.

As Bambu stated, I agree with all of his points. Especially the one in relation to credit being passed to Cyclone, and the caveat that if Cyclone wishes to, they can delete it.

My immediate issue as a PSW staff was that they didn't even try to conceal the notion of having copied it from PSW's blog. And they mostly paraphrased it and tried to justify it along the lines of "We added references, you did not. So woe be upon thee", hence why I posted pointing out the obvious in the thread. Without providing any due credit or acknowledgement to the original poster.

For the record, the others from the PSW staff are fine with it, too. It just rubbed us, and her (Cyclone), especially, the wrong way when someone made it clear that the blog was 'stolen' for the most part. And they just pretended it wasn't.



I agree with what Butler stated as well. I can try to point out a few more scans, but I'm sure we get the point more or less. And I don't know much about Twin Peaks, so I'll refrain from commenting without any idea of the context behind it.

I am also somewhat concerned that, based on how the discussion progressed, there does not appear to be an attempt at proper acknowledgement of PSW or the original author, even when PSW was explicitly mentioned. However, I will not dwell on this matter specifically any further.

Doing this (unless it is something they decide to take the proper effort this time in restructuring everything to make it original) would be much appreciated. We're okay with it regardless.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, giving explicit credits is obviously necessary.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Are we 100% sure this guy LostLightt isn't a sock from Vzearr? Same interests and same behavior. A user with not even 200 messages and yet knows how the wiki works. Should also warn him for his comments here:

Mikey (Manjiro Sano) Vs 100 Armed Men

Mikey fights 100 Armed Men. 50 have swords, 30 have spears, and 20 have guns.

vsbattles.com

 

[Random-Helper323]

Are we 100% sure this guy LostLightt isn't a sock from Vzearr? Same interests and same behavior. A user with not even 200 messages and yet knows how the wiki works.

They've been making some arguments that definitely don't line up with standards, for what that's worth.

Should also warn him for his comments here:

Mikey (Manjiro Sano) Vs 100 Armed Men

Mikey fights 100 Armed Men. 50 have swords, 30 have spears, and 20 have guns.

vsbattles.com

I'll take a look. (Puts on helmet)

 

[LostLightt]

Are we 100% sure this guy LostLightt isn't a sock from Vzearr? Same interests and same behavior. A user with not even 200 messages and yet knows how the wiki works. Should also warn him for his comments here:

Mikey (Manjiro Sano) Vs 100 Armed Men

Mikey fights 100 Armed Men. 50 have swords, 30 have spears, and 20 have guns.

vsbattles.com

Yall tryna warn me for comments when yall been tryna piss me off for straight hours on end

Mikey vs Griffith

Manjiro Sano - AP: 6.1 MJ, massively higher in base, even higher in DI LS: 32 Tons, likely higher Skill: Gifted, likely higher Access to Sanzu's katana Starts in DI Griffith - AP: 8.5 MJ, Far higher with piercing damage LS: 10 Tons Skill: Genius Standard Equipment Mikey: Griffith: Incon:

vsbattles.com

No wonder when u try to anger someone they get angry

 

[LostLightt]

i kinda thought the same thing... joined like 2 weeks ago, knows how the wiki works, and is scaling the same verse as Vzearr... too many coincidences i guess though what do i know

Nah jit, half the shi I had to learn on the spot and half the other shit I been asking vapes

theres like a dozen screenshots of me voice calling him and me asking him questions over dms

Jit if ur gonna say I'm vapes, at least put some evidence behind it Same as the dude above u

 

[Random-Helper323]

i kinda thought the same thing... joined like 2 weeks ago, knows how the wiki works, and is scaling the same verse as Vzearr... too many coincidences i guess though what do i know

The analysis earlier showed no IP overlap. The two of them speak differently and LostLightt has made calls that run directly contrary to the standards which would indicate a lack of experience on the Wiki, but that isn't proof either way.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Yall tryna warn me for comments when yall been tryna piss me off for straight hours on end

Mikey vs Griffith

Manjiro Sano - AP: 6.1 MJ, massively higher in base, even higher in DI LS: 32 Tons, likely higher Skill: Gifted, likely higher Access to Sanzu's katana Starts in DI Griffith - AP: 8.5 MJ, Far higher with piercing damage LS: 10 Tons Skill: Genius Standard Equipment Mikey: Griffith: Incon:

vsbattles.com

No wonder when u try to anger someone they get angry

What I sent wasn't a warning. It was a "let's calm down". I'm well aware dealing with the TR verse is stressful given its situation, and you're going to be having it harder than normal either way.

 

[LostLightt]

What I sent wasn't a warning. It was a "let's calm down". I'm well aware dealing with the TR verse is stressful given its situation, and you're going to be having it harder than normal either way.

I was replying to M3X, not you. You're chill dw

 

[Cipher72]

A user with not even 200 messages and yet knows how the wiki works.

Won't comment on the rest but this is kinda wrong (unless he was pulling an Aizen or whatever) I won't comment on anything else as I have no relation with this but I felt like this was an important thing that I need to say (feel free to delete this comment if it is irrelevant)
In this thread he blatantly advertised his thread, made several off topic comments until he was warned by @Just a Random Butler and directed to the thread advertisement thread.

 

[FinePoint]

I see those messages, but I also see the evidence that you hadn't made the thread. Actions famously speak louder than words. And some of those chats don't really mean anything to me. You calling it "your thread" doesn't mean Vzearr didn't provide the arguments for you. I find it very, very hard to believe you were compelled to make a thread upgrading a verse, but did so without access to your own evidence, especially when in connection with a user who was just banned, who famously did underhanded stuff in relation to said verse.

So I'd just be in favor of not enduring the ordeal. A new user posts a full CRT with scans they can't even see in contact with a banned user known for manipulative stuff like this? I vote for a topic ban. If we favor restrictions on the verse again, I'd be fine with that too, but as I believe this is not Vzearr but rather a friend of Vzearr's, I would like to keep the verse open, and I think a topic ban might achieve the same effect.

Well, I suppose this qualifies as something happening.

Given their suspicious arrival, and their general behavior and attitude, I would no longer be opposed to a topic ban.
(As well as a warning for the attitude, or perhaps worse if they keep doubling down.)

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The analysis earlier showed no IP overlap. The two of them speak differently and LostLightt has made calls that run directly contrary to the standards which would indicate a lack of experience on the Wiki, but that isn't proof either way.

Could Ant ask someone with fandom for fandom side check? Since if there was tomfoolery going on people might be less cautious when on fandom.

 

[LostLightt]

Well, I suppose this qualifies as something happening.

Given their suspicious arrival, and their general behavior and attitude, I would no longer be opposed to a topic ban.
(As well as a warning for the attitude, or perhaps worse if they keep doubling down.)

aye, I was angry, I can admit that, but yall acting like if u dont try to make someone angry they not gunna get angry, I been getting provoked since day 1, and yall tryna topic ban me as if I'm on thin ice when I aint do nothing to be on thin ice, yall can warn me and shi but there aint no way u cant even accept people been tryna annoy me since the start of the crt

 

[Dalesean027]

when I aint do nothing to be on thin ice

Its not like any of their concerns are coming out of no where especially when you were parroting a thread for a banned user and made an account that immediately started being back to back here in RVR for Tokyo Revengers of all verses on this site which does famously already deal with sockpuppeting, parroting, etc. It's simply not a good look especially when you two even say similar stuff which like...

That said the versus thread was in fun and games and really wasn't to be taken seriously at all so I wouldn't even go to the degree of calling that being targeted even if it probably wasn't in the best taste. I'd like to be lenient here even if its against my better judgement but I am in favor of putting restrictions back on this verse since it for several years now has remained one of the most problematic on wiki.

 

[Antvasima]

Could Ant ask someone with fandom for fandom side check? Since if there was tomfoolery going on people might be less cautious when on fandom.

Given that I am personally involved in this matter by trying to help Vzearr with his mental problems via Discord, it is probably best if somebody else asks Fandom about this.

Maybe @Just a Random Butler wants to handle it, as he asked me about it in private earlier.

 

[Arceus0x]

Maybe @Just a Random Butler wants to handle it, as he asked me about it in private earlier

Dawg... Please... If someone asks you in private then it's private for a reason, keep it to yourself.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, this did not seem very controversial.

 

[Arceus0x]

Well, this did not seem very controversial.

Well it's a private thing told in private. Please keep these things to yourself so that we don't get a repeat of the recent fellow you accidentally kicked out of the closet.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Well it's a private thing told in private. Please keep these things to yourself so that we don't get a repeat of the recent fellow you accidentally kicked out of the closet.

Okay, let's not attack Ant, okay?

 

[Arceus0x]

Okay, let's not attack Ant, okay?

It's not an attack, it's a plea. When you tell someone, especially Ant, something in private, you expect them to keep it private.

 

[LostLightt]

I dont even disagree the verse should be restricted cuz its contriversial but that aint mean I agree, u aint taken into account it's not only the new goons, it's people who been here for years that be causin just as many problems. I seen they profiles, some been here since 2020

U might as well delete the verse if ur gonna try and apply a rule that dont apply to everyone including the dudes who been here for years

If u finna try and make a rule, make it fair or dont make it at all.

And u can ask me to be verified on fandom.