Burning Effect

[Arkenis]

So I stopped working on the verse a while back but I'm half way done with Burning Effect. I don't have any calcs for the verse as of now which is what made me hold off. If anyone's willing to help with pages or calcs please do cause this series is amazing and would be a great addition to the wiki.

Here's everything I've gotten so far:

Verse page
Great
Burner
Drian
Roy
Kai
Y/Blacklion
Burning feats
Candy
The Grey
Bear

 

[azontr]

raw

 

[Epiccheev]

peak

 

[Greendawn1]

Really glad someone else is doing this i tried doing one for Great but lost interest a few days into it and work stuff

 

[Epiccheev]

Y/Doctor also has some interesting stuff/it's entire background on Domination. Granted it might make the profile get flagged as 18+ for sensitive content

 

[Minaaaa]

 

[Arkenis]

what are u thinking

 

[Minaaaa]

what are u thinking

May pick the series up (after i finish the other manwha and webcomics im working on), this is connected to ths graymark?

 

[Arkenis]

May pick the series up (after i finish the other manwha and webcomics im working on), this is connected to ths graymark?

Yeah.

 

[Epiccheev]

Iirc the first installment is called Dominion (a horror manga with some f*cked up moments) and is the direct prequel to it all (Gives Romhoraga's full backstory as well as Y/Doctor's full backstory and also Bear's backstory together with worldbuilding lore about why the planet is gray and earth became that way)

followed by Burning Effect and then The Graymark (that is a direct sequel to Burning effect wich features the same cast).
Dating to survive also enters in the mix, but i still haven't finished reading it to say.

 

[Epiccheev]

Bruh, i just finally realized they're called Xevoltz because of the Xe element used in bright blue lights.

 

[Re5yh]

This manga is so good that it can be worthy for powerscaling.

 

[Minaaaa]

Is there a list of the important characters? Ill try to start reading it soon

 

[Arkenis]

Is there a list of the important characters? Ill try to start reading it soon

All the ones in the verse page are important.

Edit: Actually whoever I listed is the ones who could get profiles for important scaling

 

[Arceus0x]

I'll be re-reading this series more properly and I'll try to gather feats maybe.
One issue is that we will have to make keys for Graymark Great who will be like Low 2-C, and scaling Graymark Burner when boosted by Bear is hard to figure out as well.

 

[Arkenis]

I'll be re-reading this series more properly and I'll try to gather feats maybe.
One issue is that we will have to make keys for Graymark Great who will be like Low 2-C, and scaling Graymark Burner when boosted by Bear is hard to figure out as well.

Is he just base l2c or only red eyes?

 

[Epiccheev]

I think with Bear's psychic powers and when posessed by Mr.green Romuhoraga

 

[Arceus0x]

Ye he basically obliterated the King of the Universe. When Great felt his power within himself he said he felt like was holding the universe in his palm. Romuhoraga has control over all laws and plot afaik too.

 

[Epiccheev]

Ye he basically obliterated the King of the Universe. When Great felt his power within himself he said he felt like was holding the universe in his palm. Romuhoraga has control over all laws and plot afaik too.

Ngl, but Romuhoraga might eventually get R>F arguments to the end considering he frequently mentions comments and stuff like that.

 

[Arceus0x]

Ngl, but Romuhoraga might eventually get R>F arguments to the end considering he frequently mentions comments and stuff like that.

I don't think he has a source for that power.
According to what we know from Taboo and Dating to Survive, he seemed to pretty much achieve that state through in-universe methods, rather than a higher force. We also know he didn't exist that way from that start.
From what I understand he basically forced himself into the same category of beings as the original Bear and the dragon goddess.

 

[Epiccheev]

I don't think he has a source for that power.
According to what we know from Taboo and Dating to Survive, he seemed to pretty much achieve that state through in-universe methods, rather than a higher force. We also know he didn't exist that way from that start.
From what I understand he basically forced himself into the same category of beings as the original Bear and the dragon goddess.

Might be. I feel like he's not gonna be 100% the same Romuhoraga we saw in Control. Granted even a 4-D with potent plot manip is already a goated character to debate with.

 

[Arceus0x]

Btw let's decide now, do we call it Taboo, Control or Domination?

 

[Epiccheev]

I like Control because im a CSM fan.
But i also think Taboo sounds the least generic.

 

[Tllmbrg]

General editing notes:
Move citations to be in front of punctuation like periods and commas.
Swap wording like "able to" into "can" when applicable.
I feel like the division in P&A (Especially in the resistance section), is a bit unnecessary and arbitrary. Like how do you define exotic haxes here?
For citations, if you repeat the same source multiple times, you should do <ref name=InsertName>Source</ref> for the first one, and then <ref name=InsertName/>.
With <div class="scrollable" style="overflow:auto; max-height:400px; width:{{{width|100%}}}; background:transparent;"> and </div> you only need them outside the tabber itself, it will apply itself to all its sections.

Great

Acrobatics (Could jump several meters in the air to get on top of a building)

You should probably change the wording to emphasize that it was done at an angle, rather than be a sheer height thing (Since you don't get acrobatics for just jumping high).

Martial Arts

This should get an actual explanation.

Empowerment (Great's eyes become red when he is excited)

How is this empowerment, this seems like limited transformation.

Physiology: Analytical Prediction (His strength is impossible to calculate)

I'm not sure this qualifies? This reads more like "This guy is strong beyond what anyone can imagine" and what have you. Also the other resistance sections are empty.

Burning

Analytical Prediction (Tricked and predicted Drian would prioritize safety by acting like she was trying to kamikaze herself, which was two steps ahead of him)

How is this precog? Thinking "this guy will prioritize not dying while I pretend to do a kamikaze attack" is nothing crazy to assume, in fact she literally set the scenario up for that outcome to happen.

Homing Attack & Statistics Amplification, Darkness Manipulation, Fire Manipulation (Truth punches are seemingly a punch guided to the target; Burner takes away the fear and shows the path, the area goes dark and is only showing her and the opponent, engulfing her fist with black fires. We see this several times and there's a streak of blackness from the punch as well)

Does anyone acknowledge the darkness in-universe, off your scans it seems to just be a cool visual effect to emphasize her presence when she hits something, with nobody going "oh it suddenly became pitch black."

Drian

Acrobatics (Can now jump higher into the air to reach the top of a tower in one bound)

Same comment as Great.

Technique Mimicry (Mastered Roberts technique in a short week

Missing bracket. Also wouldn't this Accelerated Development rather than Power Mimicry if he's just studying someone's technique?

Death Fate

Why is it both in skill and physiology? (I think it further shows why your splits are pretty arbitrary).

Roy

Firearms Expert & Martial Arts (Is a great weapons handler and overall combatant as implied by Great, after fighting him. , Superhuman Precision (Targeted several projectiles with succession and has stated he doesn't misses.

Missing brackets.

Body Control (Could make his arm much longer)

Wouldn't this better indexed as Size Manipulation?

Sleep Manipulation (Able to put to sleep inner demons)

I don't follow the scan, he just says the demon inside her will lay dormant, we don't know if it's literally sleeping.

Kai

Extrasensory Perception (His blood makes him feel the emotions of all the citizens of Graymark, and the disappearance of them. Could sense his grandfather died)

The emotion sensing also doubles as telepathy.

 

[Arkenis]

You should probably change the wording to emphasize that it was done at an angle, rather than be a sheer height thing (Since you don't get acrobatics for just jumping high).

Yeah you do.

• Self-Momentum: The character controls their own movements, being capable of accelerating and decelerating quickly with no issues, by physical means, such as pushing against a surface or grabbing an object mid-air, in order to change one's direction.

This should get an actual explanation.

Other scans have it. But I can put it along his other swordsmanship.

How is this empowerment, this seems like limited transformation.

Idk what the red eyes really haven't read the whole series, but he and Burner get mad or excited and their eyes turn different colors. Empowerments can be transformations tho.

How is this precog? Thinking "this guy will prioritize not dying while I pretend to do a kamikaze attack" is nothing crazy to assume, in fact she literally set the scenario up for that outcome to happen.

The fact she set up the scenario means she predicted him. And it's not like he's a regular person, he's a skilled swordsman who's been fighting for years, she's just smarter.

I'm not sure this qualifies? This reads more like "This guy is strong beyond what anyone can imagine" and what have you. Also the other resistance sections are empty.

Don't rephrase the statement, they planned several tactics and ways to fight/handle their situation, Great ended up showing greater power than they anticipated. They failed to predict his power. It's a good example of prep not always being enough to handle him cause he can outperform beyond what one knows of him.

Does anyone acknowledge the darkness in-universe, off your scans it seems to just be a cool visual effect to emphasize her presence when she hits something, with nobody going "oh it suddenly became pitch black."

It's a real thing in verse, just haven't finished reading to fully define it. But you can see the scan, everything goes black and she can see a path directly to win. You even see the darkness come from her body. It doesn't matter if others think it does, for her it happens.

Same comment as Great.

Read the acrobatic page, what they do is self momentum.

Missing bracket. Also wouldn't this Accelerated Development rather than Power Mimicry if he's just studying someone's technique?

I forget how this went, but he's already got ad.

Why is it both in skill and physiology? (I think it further shows why your splits are pretty arbitrary).

Because its different things for what he's doing. My splits are for splitting what fits what, IA is skills, AD is his body aka physiology.

Wouldn't this better indexed as Size Manipulation?

No the beast people can control their bodies.

I don't follow the scan, he just says the demon inside her will lay dormant, we don't know if it's literally sleeping.

He did an exorcism which put the demon in her to sleep.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Yeah you do.

I literally made and got a CRT passed for it to not count. I'm not even saying the specific feat does not qualify here, but it's because he's jumping at an angle, which would require grace to land the jump. So just change the wording.

The fact she set up the scenario means she predicted him. And it's not like he's a regular person, he's a skilled swordsman who's been fighting for years, she's just smarter

Okay and? Was he fighting like a suicidal maniac as well beforehand, or acting in a way to indicate that he would not make the natural move of not sticking around when their enemy is acting suicidal? It's an intelligence feat sure, but she isn't predicting anything special here.

Don't rephrase the statement, they planned several tactics and ways to fight/handle their situation, Great ended up showing greater power than they anticipated. They failed to predict his power. It's a good example of prep not always being enough to handle him cause he can outperform beyond what one knows of him.

The way you phrased it now makes it sound like they just did not have enough info.

It's a real thing in verse, just haven't finished reading to fully define it. But you can see the scan, everything goes black and she can see a path directly to win. You even see the darkness come from her body. It doesn't matter if others think it does, for her it happens.

Actually if nobody ever seems to react to that I do not think we'd assume the darkness is literal, rather than a visual to emphasize her power being active.

I forget how this went, but he's already got ad.

Then remove the technique copy.

No the beast people can control their bodies.

Are there better scans for that? Because the current one just shows him growing his arm, which doesn't really fall under any listed usage of body control.

He did an exorcism which put the demon in her to sleep.

The scan says it went dormant, that doesn't necessarily mean it's asleep.

 

[Minaaaa]

Reading through burning effect, on chapter 64 right now. Should finish it within like 3 days

 

[Arkenis]

I literally made and got a CRT passed for it to not count. I'm not even saying the specific feat does not qualify here, but it's because he's jumping at an angle, which would require grace to land the jump. So just change the wording.

Your crt apparently didn't change the wording on page so nothing's wrong.

Okay and? Was he fighting like a suicidal maniac as well beforehand, or acting in a way to indicate that he would not make the natural move of not sticking around when their enemy is acting suicidal? It's an intelligence feat sure, but she isn't predicting anything special here.

I forget but its stil just predicting. Predicting doesn't have to be "predict something special" reread the page.
The most mundane examples of Analytical Prediction are scarcely better than what's achievable in real life, relying on physical tells and strategy to stay ahead of opponents, and are often unreliable for a user to foreknow events and plan far ahead.

The way you phrased it now makes it sound like they just did not have enough info.

Did you read the story or even the link? Kai planned perfectly, Great was just too powerful for him to have calculated such power into the plan. Please reread the AP section cuz these examples are just fine.

Actually if nobody ever seems to react to that I do not think we'd assume the darkness is literal, rather than a visual to emphasize her power being active.

No one has to react for something to be happening. It can just be for her.

Are there better scans for that? Because the current one just shows him growing his arm, which doesn't really fall under any listed usage of body control.

Its in the story and I think on the page.

The scan says it went dormant, that doesn't necessarily mean it's asleep.

He literally says put it to sleep. And dormant means sleep or inactive.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Your crt apparently didn't change the wording on page so nothing's wrong.

Bro Self-Momentum doesn't cover any very long jump, otherwise Hulk would still have Acrobatics. Just change the wording to be about how he's going from roof to roof, it's really not that deep.

I forget but its stil just predicting. Predicting doesn't have to be "predict something special" reread the page.
The most mundane examples of Analytical Prediction are scarcely better than what's achievable in real life, relying on physical tells and strategy to stay ahead of opponents, and are often unreliable for a user to foreknow events and plan far ahead.

So do you think chess masters have analytical prediction? They also use strategy to set up victory many moves in advance, and here all Burning does is just make a scenario where it's very dangerous for someone to stay while having a safety net for herself. It's really not as impressive as you're making it out to be.

Did you read the story or even the link? Kai planned perfectly, Great was just too powerful for him to have calculated such power into the plan. Please reread the AP section cuz these examples are just fine.

I did not read the story no, I am just commenting as an outsider looking over these pages. Off Kai's page I have no idea why him failing to calculate the guy's strength is a resistance, if they literally have something to scan his power with, then you should put that on Kai's page and then explain that on Great's. The link on the page currently just says "His plan was perfect in theory, but Great's power was impossible to calculate" which reads more like a flex to his power, just like how in Dragon Ball scouters explode when checking high enough power levels.

He literally says put it to sleep. And dormant means sleep or inactive.

Yah, inactive is the other option here, aka not certainly sleep. I think Possibly for the sleep manipulation can work.

 

[Arkenis]

Bro Self-Momentum doesn't cover any very long jump, otherwise Hulk would still have Acrobatics. Just change the wording to be about how he's going from roof to roof, it's really not that deep.

Get the page changed ig.

• Self-Momentum: The character controls their own movements, being capable of accelerating and decelerating quickly with no issues, by physical means, such as pushing against a surface or grabbing an object mid-air, in order to change one's direction.

Great pushed against the floor to jump. that's self momentum. Stop arguing about this.

So do you think chess masters have analytical prediction? They also use strategy to set up victory many moves in advance, and here all Burning does is just make a scenario where it's very dangerous for someone to stay while having a safety net for herself. It's really not as impressive as you're making it out to be.

YES??? You're genuinely making me not wanna respond anymore cuz its becoming more apparent you don't understand what analytical prediction means.

I did not read the story no, I am just commenting as an outsider looking over these pages. Off Kai's page I have no idea why him failing to calculate the guy's strength is a resistance, if they literally have something to scan his power with, then you should put that on Kai's page and then explain that on Great's. The link on the page currently just says "His plan was perfect in theory, but Great's power was impossible to calculate" which reads more like a flex to his power, just like how in Dragon Ball scouters explode when checking high enough power levels.

Just become you think its a flex of power doesn't mean it isn't valid lmao. And the scouters explode cause of different reasons than this, not at all to do with this.

Yah, inactive is the other option here, aka not certainly sleep. I think Possibly for the sleep manipulation can work.

Yeah sure but Roy literally says he can put it to sleep. Please read man.

 

[Agnaa]

YES??? You're genuinely making me not wanna respond anymore cuz its becoming more apparent you don't understand what analytical prediction means.

I forget but its stil just predicting. Predicting doesn't have to be "predict something special" reread the page.
The most mundane examples of Analytical Prediction are scarcely better than what's achievable in real life, relying on physical tells and strategy to stay ahead of opponents, and are often unreliable for a user to foreknow events and plan far ahead.

"scarcely better than" is still "better than". It has to be done to a supernatural degree. IRL chess masters do not have Analytical Prediction.

Having a basic plan/trap is miles away from being enough.

Disagree with AnalPre, not evaluating the rest of the thread.

 

[Arkenis]

"scarcely better than" is still "better than". It has to be done to a supernatural degree. IRL chess masters do not have Analytical Prediction.

Having a basic plan/trap is miles away from being enough.

Disagree with Analytical Prediction, not evaluating the rest of the thread.

IRL chess masters do have AP. Analytical means a chess master is using information and then breaking it down to see what his next moves will be and what will be the best option for several steps ahead. That's then what we call prediction, which is predicting what might or could happen in the future through the information you have. That's what Burner did and its what Kai failed to succeed in.

Having basic plan is literally an example lmao


Analytical Prediction is typically achieved through methods of fighting skill and/or psychological skill, often overlapping with Martial Arts and/or even Genius Intelligence. The most mundane examples of Analytical Prediction are scarcely better than what's achievable in real life, relying on physical tells and strategy to stay ahead of opponents, and are often unreliable for a user to foreknow events and plan far ahead. Sometimes, a user has Enhanced Senses to be capable of realizing the most minuscule details so they can predict what happens next. Other examples of Analytical Prediction are more extraordinary, being reliable for the user to foreknow events and to come up with impressive strategies, so they can succeed at their difficult endeavors, “exactly as planned”. The best Analytical Prediction users may demonstrate skills that are functionally very similar to actual Divination.

 

[Agnaa]

They definitionally do not

Analytical Prediction is typically achieved through methods of fighting skill and/or psychological skill, often overlapping with Martial Arts and/or even Genius Intelligence. The most mundane examples of Analytical Prediction are scarcely better than what's achievable in real life, relying on physical tells and strategy to stay ahead of opponents, and are often unreliable for a user to foreknow events and plan far ahead.

 

[Arkenis]

I'm not continuing this, I wholeheartedly do not think you or the other person has read the scans. She planned this shit out with like five different points of the plan to trick Drian in three different ways.

 

[Agnaa]

I'm not continuing this, I wholeheartedly do not think you or the other person has read the scans. She planned this shit out with like five different points of the plan to trick Drian in three different ways.

I think it's important to establish that your view directly contradicts our blatantly written standards.

And, I did read the scans. Pretending that you're going to kill both of you to distract someone from a secret entrance you plan to take does not seem supernatural to me. We do not need to give AnalPre to every single character who comes up with a plan that involves another character's actions.

 

[Minaaaa]

Finished reading through the whole verse. Ill make profiles whenever I have time to, also the verse title should be "World of Graymark"

 

[Epiccheev]

Anyone else think Doctor/Y barely doing anything this new run is really unsettling?

It's like if Ichigo went back in time to the first chapter and then Aizen never betrayed the Shinigami.

 

[Minaaaa]

Anyone else think Doctor/Y barely doing anything this new run is really unsettling?

It's like if Ichigo went back in time to the first chapter and then Aizen never betrayed the Shinigami.

They're definitely planning something in the background

 

[Minaaaa]

Could we calc this?

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah. I mean I already have a whole list of stuff to be calced, just haven't gotten anyone to help except one.