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Fnaf at freddys discussion thread!

They literally don't exist, FNaF 4 is a nightmare. Would you give 10-B to a dream where someone kills you as a little kid? Only UCN versions are useable (for canon animatronics).
Ooh, someone is out of touch, huh? A lovely book came out like a couple years back that made them creations of Willy, going the same vein as Twisted Animatronics. Plus, even IF you were 100% correct, they'd be worthy for profiles either way, because we have profiles for literal hallucination bots like RXQ and whatnot.
Also, even if they were treated as real for some extraordinary reason, such a giant size and Average/Below Average stats is funny.
"But they're WEAK" is not a reason for deletion man...
Nightmarionne is 10-B, possibly 9-C because he could be comparable to other Nightmare animatronics, but Nightmare himself is 10-B. Not really fine, not fine at all, imo.
So revise Nightmarionne. It's not hard to plop down a CRT and go "yo Nightmare is 10-B not 9-C", man.
 
Tales from the Pizzaplex, that's where it's stated. Basically, the actual nightmare animatronics are just a bunch of suit parts on rolling mechanical stands to emulate killer robots hunting the victim down, and just use hallucinatory gas to get their appearance.
 
Ooh, someone is out of touch, huh? A lovely book came out like a couple years back that made them creations of Willy
Not canon btw, since Dittophobia is part of Tales of Pizzaplex, which completely contradict SotM. And even if they were canon, Nightmare and Nightmarionne are not there. And even if they were, they do not actually exist, they are just mannequiens amplified by gas hallucinations.

Michael explicitly draws Nightmare Fredbear as his nightmare in Logbook. Not to mention all the clues in the game itself.
going the same vein as Twisted Animatronics. Plus, even IF you were 100% correct, they'd be worthy for profiles either way
Verse equalization wouldn't work since it is just one part of the franchise, not 99% concentrated there.
because we have profiles for literal hallucination bots like RXQ and whatnot
RXQ is an agony being though, since when did he become a hallucination, he can literally kill you in FNaF 2.
"But they're WEAK" is not a reason for deletion man...
That's not my argument, my argument is that the rating is stupid here.
So revise Nightmarionne. It's not hard to plop down a CRT and go "yo Nightmare is 10-B not 9-C", man.
I'll just make Nightmare have only UCN key and nuke Nightmarionne since he isn't canon.
 
Not canon btw, since Dittophobia is part of Tales of Pizzaplex, which completely contradict SotM. And even if they were canon, Nightmare and Nightmarionne are not there. And even if they were, they do not actually exist, they are just mannequiens amplified by gas hallucinations.
So cut out Dittophobia, parts of the books being retconned happens. Circa, someone who deals with retcons: the verse AKA World of Warcraft.
Michael explicitly draws Nightmare Fredbear as his nightmare in Logbook.
So case closed, they do actually exist.
Verse equalization wouldn't work since it is just one part of the franchise, not 99% concentrated there.
Verse equalization works however the hell it wants to work, part of a franchise or no.
RXQ is an agony being though, since when did he become a hallucination, he can literally kill you in FNaF 2.
I'm gonna go make a profile for whatever problem crashed my FNAF2 game a few months back and make it 9-C, because it CLEARLY killed Mike.
That's not my argument, my argument is that the rating is stupid here.
You can be big and be unable to lift shit, pal. That's why we don't use weight as LS.
I'll just make Nightmare have only UCN key and nuke Nightmarionne since he isn't canon.
I'll vehemently oppose you.
 
So cut out Dittophobia, parts of the books being retconned happens.
By same logic I can argue Andrew is in games too, y'know.

Usually continuity books are taken collectively in terms of canonicity (besides Interactive Novels ig, since TWB started solidly but RTTP messes up stuff). Like, novels are used as AU to clarify stuff, Frights are parallels (or some argue canon), Tales of Pizzaplex were also thought to be canon for a long time before SotM came and ruined it to hell. Pretty sure it debunked most of the books, so it's not like it's just one book suffering while others are fine.
So case closed, they do actually exist.
Yeah, as dreams.
Verse equalization works however the hell it wants to work, part of a franchise or no.
We don't give Giffany and Rumble same thing, y'know? Because despite them having games, they don't have their own world. Same here.

I can do 10-C tho. Edit: I just realized it'd actually be 11-C or smth due to being true R>F case I believe, while GIFany is digital and thus exists physically as data.
I'm gonna go make a profile for whatever problem crashed my FNAF2 game a few months back and make it 9-C, because it CLEARLY killed Mike.
It did indeedy, even in a more mysterious way GF does in FNaF 1.
You can be big and be unable to lift shit, pal. That's why we don't use weight as LS.
We are talking about giant robots, not random beings.
I'll vehemently oppose you.
Wanna tell me what's your grudge with this?
 
By same logic I can argue Andrew is in games too, y'know.
Is Andrew ever called canon though?
Usually continuity books are taken collectively in terms of canonicity (besides Interactive Novels ig, since TWB started solidly but RTTP messes up stuff). Like, novels are used as AU to clarify stuff, Frights are parallels (or some argue canon), Tales of Pizzaplex were also thought to be canon for a long time before SotM came and ruined it to hell. Pretty sure it debunked most of the books, so it's not like it's just one book suffering while others are fine.
Wolfheart is a book in Warcraft where about half the story is heavily retconned by Maiev Shadowsong still being leader of the watchers, but we still use the half of the book that's not retconned to hell because the two stories are almost entirely separated. You just have to be more careful around areas you know are retcon heavy and have actual working knowledge of the series to figure out what is and isn't retconned.

Tales from the Pizzaplex in this case is a collection of short stories, really, it's something to put in the verse page with what stories are contradicted and thus retconned into being not canon and which stories aren't contradicted so still are.
Yeah, as dreams.
Is it ever stated to be a dream though?
We don't give Giffany and Rumble same thing, y'know? Because despite them having games, they don't have their own world. Same here.
Except that the game they come from is 2-D, explicitly acts 2-D, and thus is unusable for calcs. We can quantify what they pull with the Crying Child
I can do 10-C tho.
Keep em 10-B pal.
It did indeedy, even in a more mysterious way GF does in FNaF 1.
You mean the one who has a jumpscare? Unlike RXQ who shows up and the game crashes?
We are talking about giant robots, not random beings.
Robots follow the same example, if they do not have the torque to lift more than 20 Kilograms of kid, they ain't lifting more than 20 Kilograms of kid.
Wanna tell me what's your grudge with this?
My grudge is with randomly cutting out profiles that are in games, and are not only in games, but are in BOTH UCN and Help Wanted, with the latter being a decent judge of what did and didn't actually happen in-verse. Because I doubt Fazbear Entertainment would waste valuable money and time making anything about something that never actually ******* existed.
 
Is Andrew ever called canon though?
I'd argue not being called anything is better than being called canon and then having definitive contradictions.
Wolfheart is a book in Warcraft where about half the story is heavily retconned by Maiev Shadowsong still being leader of the watchers, but we still use the half of the book that's not retconned to hell because the two stories are almost entirely separated. You just have to be more careful around areas you know are retcon heavy and have actual working knowledge of the series to figure out what is and isn't retconned.
Tales from the Pizzaplex in this case is a collection of short stories, really, it's something to put in the verse page with what stories are contradicted and thus retconned into being not canon and which stories aren't contradicted so still are.
That's an interesting idea, although idk fully about that (because of how I view continuities), but even if you wanna go this way they are still not same as FNaF 4 selves but rather mannequiens that gain illusionary aura through gas hallucination, nothing much profile-wise.

And again, NF and Nightmare are still not in Dittophobia, just saying.
Is it ever stated to be a dream though?
Yeah, literally the page asks about dreams and Michael draws Nightmare Fredbear.

Except that the game they come from is 2-D, explicitly acts 2-D, and thus is unusable for calcs.
No, wiki cites a different reason:
  • .GIFfany and Rumble McSkirmish, while both being virtual characters, are portrayed as simple sentient programs and do not inhabit a full, fictional world. On top of this, little to none of the series they hail from takes place in their perspective.
Nightmares are even worse since it's true R>F.
We can quantify what they pull with the Crying Child
(That's actually Michael but he became a kid in the nightmares yea... unless you're MikeVictimer-)
Keep em 10-B pal.
Nah, 11-C FNaF will be so funny I'm going for it.
You mean the one who has a jumpscare? Unlike RXQ who shows up and the game crashes?
Make a basic correlation between the two brudda
Besides, RXQ is an agony being either way, AR heavily implies that iirc
Robots follow the same example, if they do not have the torque to lift more than 20 Kilograms of kid, they ain't lifting more than 20 Kilograms of kid.
I'm not really gonna debate this since they are nightmares anyways.
My grudge is with randomly cutting out profiles that are in games, and are not only in games, but are in BOTH UCN and Help Wanted, with the latter being a decent judge of what did and didn't actually happen in-verse.
Brudda, HW is LITERALLY Fazbear made. The entire point is to 'refute' indie games and stuff. That's, like, the entire plot. They don't even have Golden Freddy there - was he a hallucination?

I thought Scott's solution to non-canon characters in the Reddit post was implied that 'the crazy indie developer' just made them up.
Because I doubt Fazbear Entertainment would waste valuable money and time making anything about something that never actually ******* existed.
The entire point is to debunk rumors to cleanse the company. More unrealistic stuff is, more satire there is, and more people won't believe into these.
 
I'd argue not being called anything is better than being called canon and then having definitive contradictions.
Contradictions not in the same story.
That's an interesting idea, although idk fully about that (because of how I view continuities), but even if you wanna go this way they are still not same as FNaF 4 selves but rather mannequiens that gain illusionary aura through gas hallucination, nothing much profile-wise.
...they appear as their FNaF4 selves via those illusions.
And again, NF and Nightmare are still not in Dittophobia, just saying.
Yet they're in both UCN and Help Wanted. Which, as I'll just say now: Fazbear Entertainment DIDN'T make things up for Help Wanted, if something isn't confirmed(like a golden bear that was supposed to be scrap so long ago) They seem to just not use it. There was "supposedly" a murderer, so they coded a murderer.

Springtrap "supposedly" jumped ******* through vents, so they had him do that, etcetera. They stay close enough to fact to be seen as slightly legitimate but change things and exaggerate them to seem false. Basically, yes but actually no.
Yeah, literally the page asks about dreams and Michael draws Nightmare Fredbear.

There you go.
No, wiki cites a different reason:
Intriguing.
Nightmares are even worse since it's true R>F.
Well, if we do my suggestion only Fredbear would be listed(and honestly I'd use likely/possibly because of Help Wanted.)
(That's actually Michael but he became a kid in the nightmares yea... unless you're MikeVictimer-)
Honestly...

Nah, 11-C FNaF will be so funny I'm going for it.
So is High 6-C Agony
Make a basic correlation between the two brudda
One jumpscares, the other just crashes
Besides, RXQ is an agony being either way, AR heavily implies that iirc
Agony does not mean AP. Just ask 10-C ashy Man Afton
I thought Scott's solution to non-canon characters in the Reddit post was implied that 'the crazy indie developer' just made them up.
I didn't really get that implication, and they appear in UCN so...
 
...they appear as their FNaF4 selves via those illusions.
Cool, that still doesn't mean these are their actual FNaF 4 selves. Like, if I go smoke some wild stuff and see my cat as a giant Huggy Wuggy, is he actually Huggy Wuggy? Also, those manequienns can't fight so... yeah.
Yet they're in both UCN and HW
That's cool, but still doesn't mean they were in Dittophobia. Ya wanna follow the book? In the book, they are not there. Simple.
Which, as I'll just say now: Fazbear Entertainment DIDN'T make things up for Help Wanted
They didn't, it's the "indie game developer" that did, they are just "responding".
Springtrap "supposedly" jumped ******* through vents, so they had him do that, etcetera. They stay close enough to fact to be seen as slightly legitimate but change things and exaggerate them to seem false.
Then they have Baby in FNaF 4 games lmao

There you go.
Did you not read Logbook ever
Well, if we do my suggestion only Fredbear would be listed(and honestly I'd use likely/possibly because of Help Wanted.)
Eh, ig doing Nightmare Fredbear because of VR is fair since you seem to have some fun with these guys fsr, I don't really mind enough (especially since I have only superficial knowledge of Dittophobia and HW), sure then
Honestly...

LMAOOOOO
So is High 6-C Agony
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One jumpscares, the other just crashes
Neither do Driving Assist Karts from SB when they hit the player, yet Game Over is triggered.

Also Reaper, are you genuinely ragebaiting me? RQX appears in your office out of nowhere, and if you don't wear mask or raise monitor the game crashes. If you do that, RQX disappears and nothing happens. What IS your flipping conclusion from this?

Oh, and GF & Nightmare also crash the game, so there is a correlation.
Agony does not mean AP. Just ask 10-C ashy Man Afton
I'm not saying AP? I'm just saying it's agony and not a hallucination

I care about canon more than scaling when it comes to FNaF
I didn't really get that implication
On the surface, this might seem like an odd choice for a storyline in general, but there was a very, very specific challenge while making Help Wanted. The challenge was this: How do you take characters that are canon, along with characters that are questionably canon, and characters from every point of the timeline, and throw them ALL together in one game that IS canon? That’s quite the problem when you think about it. But it was important for me that Help Wanted mean something; I didn’t want just a meaningless collection of mini-games, although I’m sure most people would have been okay with that. I wanted it to be canon, and that meant that I needed to solve the substantial puzzle of how. Now that you all know the problem, maybe you can understand my approach. That doesn’t mean you have to agree that it was a good idea (I keep a bowl of candy out for people who show up with torches and pitchforks at my front door.)
 
 
So what are your opinions on Foxy draining the building's power supply with every strike?
 
I don't see how him punching the hard enough to drain power is an absorption thing
It also isn't... really a thing in general. The doors don't have some electric forcefield. Either they break when you hit them or they don't. Electricity is just keeping them down.
In reality, the power drain when he hits the door is most likely just a game mechanic.
 
FNAF World character tier list nobody asked for. Everything is assuming hardmode and assuming the person isn't cheesing the game with glitch world characters obtained via a screw crew. Also, if you're only ever clicking one move Ala Springtrap, I'm not counting the other moves against them.

Oh, and very important note: I am judging characters from the timeframe you get them. I am not comparing Freddy to Spring Bonnie, I am comparing Freddy to his line and timeframe. I am comparing Fredbear to Springtrap, not to Withered Freddy.
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  • Halloween Characters: Call me lazy if you want, but there's a reason speedrunners just run with the 8 Halloween characters. They have gift boxes, they have ass tons of damage, they have the ability to kill the final boss without weeks straight of grinding or editing the levels of your characters... They were designed to be better, and thus they really are.
  • Freddy Fazbear: B-Tier. Freddy is a weird one. As a starting character you really can replace him as soon as you get anyone else, but I usually get rid of someone else before Freddy. And that's mainly because of Birthday, which gives you the armor and speed you need to not get slam dunked early game. If you stay alive, bytes can solo the boss, and Freddy helps you tank those hits. But the fact Mic Toss is a meme-tier attack and Pizza Wheel has really bad damage until you have several levels pumped into him means he's low.
  • Bonnie: B-Tier. Bonnie is the best of the starting 8 damage wise. Notice how I said "Damage" not "Support". There's no reason to take Bonnie beyond Area 3 unless you've decided to use him as your healer over either Chica, because while his damage is good early game, that falls off a cliff the moment you make any progress whatsoever, and espeically in the mines.
  • Chica: B-Tier. She's one of the starting 3 healers. She has no utility beyond healing. But she is still a healer you need.
  • Foxy: A-Tier. I can smell the WTFs from here! Yeah Foxy is the real best of the starting 8, and is someone who, while has comparable shelf life to Bonnie, can actually take you through the mines with sufficient support. This is because he has both Jumpscare, a stun that can counter Unscrew from Eyesore, and Hot Cheese, an ability to let you put down DoTs that last basically forever.
  • Toy Bonnie: AoE and Gambling. B-Tier.
  • Toy Chica: Birthday, Water Hose, and Cupcakes. From a starting 8 character. Easy A-Tier. Literally, replace Chica in party 1 with Toy Chica.
  • Toy Freddy: F-Tier. Toy Freddy is garbage. Mic Toss is meme-tier. Party Favors is so abysmally trash it can't even be a meme. Speed Song is outclassed by a birthday user, of which the starting 8 has 2, and a light jog is all you need to get Endless Speed. I have found one SINGULAR use for Toy Freddy, and that is on a screw crew as a speed buffer in the glitch world. If I need to cheese the game to not drop him at level 2, there's a problem.
  • Mangle: C-Tier. Hook is meme-tier, Poppers are plenty of set-up for a decent reward early game, and Prize Ball is gambling.
  • Balloon Boy: D-Tier. Balloons is only barely comparable to Bite sometimes, Munchies are bad, and Hot Cheese is fighting with Foxy. Who will have levels by the time you find the enragement child.
  • JJ, Phantom Chica, Phantom Foxy: All are part of the Screw Crew at B-tier. While varying degrees of not good at all outside of Unscrew, that move lets them farm glitchland, but beyond that you'd prefer basically anyone else so...
  • Phantom Freddy: A-Tier. Phantom Freddy is the only character in the entire game to have the ability to apply all three debuffs without any help whatsoever. Having no damage or Healing is not a detriment when he does a job like a Swiss army knife you normally need 2-3 characters to perform. The only reason he's not in S-tier is that his HP is really bad and you genuinely do not give a shit about debuffs past mid-game unless it's a challenge run.
  • Phantom BB: C-Tier. Rendered obsolete by Phantom Freddy's existence, and Toxic Balloon is hot garbage.
  • Phantom Mangle: A-Tier. You can get Phantom Mangle in Choppy's Woods. Area 2. And it has Pizza Wheel 2 and Mystery Box. It outclasses almost all of the rest of the first two rows in damage and outright does so in utility...
  • Withered Bonnie: S-Tier. Withered Bonnie has Unscrew 2, which is just a better Screw Crew move, and Eye Beam, which can just randomly crit for 1K. He can do over 6x the damage of Poppers, and even base Eye Beam is doing as much damage as Pizza Wheel 2 on one target.
  • Withered Chica and Withered Freddy: D-Tier. By the time you unlock them, their kit is worthless. Prize Ball 2 is just mid for being random, and that's the only non-terrible or obsolete move across both characters.
  • Withered Foxy: A-Tier. Hot Cheese 2 is just ******* busted man.
  • Shadow Freddy: C-Tier. He's not bad at all, but... Unscrew, Escape Key, and Water Hose. He is useless on bosses unless you are REALLY pulling that slot machine lever and you literally have Withered Bonnie to either just kill the boss or go Gambling.
  • Marionette: C-Tier. Prize Ball 2 is Gambling, Esc key is bad on anything but multiple enemies, and Mystery Box is bad. "But why is it good on Phantom Mangle then?!?!" Because Phantom Mangle comes before any of the mines so you can do something to the enemies beyond spilling lukewarm coffee on their lap and flipping them off. You get Marionette in either Mines or Lake, beyond the point Mystery Box is good.
  • Phantom Marionette: A-Tier. Three great moves in Mystery Box 2(AKA, you can pull a gift boxes user and just win the fight), Hot Cheese 2, and Jumpscare. Not much to say.
  • Golden Freddy: B-tier. As he is one of only two base game characters to get Haunting, he finds himself a niche as the other one is a gift boxes user... and this means he can reasonably stun bosses. And he has Rainy Day 2 for damage with his debuffs. Jumpscare is basically useless on him though.
  • Paperpals: A-Tier. Mystery Box 2 is good. Their other moves blow dogshit, just switch them out.
  • Nightmare Freddy: A-Tier. As a mid-late game attacker, all he has going for him is Freddles, as Bite 2 is bad and Sludge is outclassed. But you can find him in mines so even if you're not trying to cheese you can just find him after running from a fight, and it goes without saying that he's god-tier if you get him before Dusting Fields. Dunno why the best Nightmare is the one you get in the dank cave.
  • Nightmare Bonnie: D-Tier. Bite 2 is still bad, Rainy Day 2 got outclassed in caves, and Pizza Wheel 2 is hilariously bad when it's on something competing with Freddles and Bad Pizza for Area Damage.
  • Nightmare Chica: B-Tier. Bad Pizza is solid area damage and that's kinda all she wrote. Water Hose is nice too I guess.
  • Nightmare Foxy: B-Tier. Another character with Hot Cheese 2. At least he has Unscrew 2 to not be entirely useless or outclassed.
  • Endos 01 and 02: S-Tier. Endo Army is the single best offensive attack in the entire game and it's not even close. They also have buffs and Neon Wall. Though, Neon Wall is literally obsolete if you have any experience whatsoever. Unless you're doing a no red chip challenge I guess.
  • Endoplush: F-Tier. Neon Wall is still obsolete, but it's even worse cause an actually amazing character uses it, Eye Beam is awful at this stage because Endo Army literally fires Eye beams, and Waterhose 2, while new, is demolished by Unscrew 2 every time. Because no healthbars.
  • Springtrap: S-Tier. Springlocks, while inconsistent, is still a move that regularly scores over 500 damage and can reach 1K. There's a reason he's a mainstay on all non-halloween teams. And Bite 2 and Rainy Day definitely are NOT it.
  • RXQ, Crying Child, and Funtime Foxy: S-tier. Each of these three have their quirks, but the end result is the same: Gift Boxes are the single best move in the entire game bar none, to the point Nuzlockes ban the damn things because they are that OP. Funtime Foxy is the best because she has Cosmic Song, the best sustained attacking move in the game.(You use Endo Army once, after that it does it's thing for a minute or so then you use it again. Overall Endo Army is better though,)
  • Nightmare Fredbear: A-tier. He is the only other character with Freddles. While his other attacks are bad, that is a great one.
  • Nightmare: D-tier. You get Nightmare in Pinwheel Circus. I repeat, you get this character in the literal endgame. And his moves do 400, low damage plus defense drop, and 200 damage plus dogshit DoT. There is not a universe you're using Nightmare unless you really like him.
  • Fredbear: F-Tier. So, he has Mega Bite(400 damage), Regen Song(Worthless), and Mimic Ball(Just use the chip or Paperpals).
  • Spring Bonnie: S-tier. The best attacker in the game with both Springlocks and Cosmic Song, and it also has the best healing in the game if you have Dream luck and somehow get this before any gift boxes user.
 
How long does it take VSBW to evaluate calcs... I've been waiting for the Small Building upgrade for aaaaggeessss
 
 
new Purple guy matchup against another serial killer
 
@Monstermadman tonight becomes 2 weeks since you last bumped the Small Building upgrade for the Charlie Trilogy. Do you plan on bumping it again? (I should note that you should just paste the link as is without hyperlinking anything so people can see it before clicking)
 
@Monstermadman tonight becomes 2 weeks since you last bumped the Small Building upgrade for the Charlie Trilogy. Do you plan on bumping it again? (I should note that you should just paste the link as is without hyperlinking anything so people can see it before clicking)
Well I'm awaiting the re-eval. Might ask Drite once he feels up to it again.
 
 
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