Quick Caine CRT

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Let's do it very quickly. He:

• Stated that he is "past infinity".
• Was stated to have infinite power by his VA.
• Created a Zooble Box as a solution to Zooble's problems of hating her body so she can always try new details onto herself, and "has no end", implying that he created an infinite box with infinite Zooble parts.

Infinite power = High 3-A (via Reality Warping of course, not physically).

I won't bother debating since there’s nothing really to debate about, either you take infinite power at face value or dismiss it as stinky hyperbole and dirty author statements and move on. I don’t really care what happens with this.

High 3-A (agree):
Possibly High 3-A (middle ground option): @Maniaunavailable
Bubble option (disagree): @Psychomaster35, Charmander, @Flowerguy2, @Randomuser3412, @Damage3245, @AyOgUyS, @Arceus0x, @Anonymous_Learner, @LittleGuy99, @Dalesean027

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I think possibly High 3-A is fine, idk if a full on rating because in that same episode its stated pretty clearly that he has a god complex, so the ''infinte power'' may be a self glaze, the VA iirc dosnt count as a WOG because its not a full on question so its usable, and the last ''having no end'' could mean a lot of things, but it could be possible that is infinite so yeah sure.

edit: the box thingy may fall on WOG leading question, idk what applies there but it couldn't be usable it seems, thats up to staff

 

[Randomuser3412]

I agree with "Possibly High 3-A."

 

[Psychomaster35]

Stated that he is "past infinity".

That's most likely hyperbolic.

Was stated to have infinite power by his VA.

Do we have any reason to believe him over the writers and creator who haven't stated Caine to have infinite power? His role is a voice actor, not someone writing the show.

Created a Zooble Box as a solution to Zooble's problems of hating her body so she can always try new details onto herself, and "has no end", implying that he created an infinite box with infinite Zooble parts.

The Zooble Box has the bottom shown at one point, it generating an infinite amount of parts just means it's creating them out of thin air.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

All counted

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Let's do it very quickly. He:

• Stated that he is "past infinity".
• Was stated to have infinite power by his VA.
• Created a Zooble Box as a solution to Zooble's problems of hating her body so she can always try new details onto herself, and "has no end", implying that he created an infinite box with infinite Zooble parts.

Infinite power = High 3-A (via Reality Warping of course, not physically).

I won't bother debating since there’s nothing really to debate about, either you take infinite power at face value or dismiss it as stinky hyperbole and dirty author statements and move on. I don’t really care what happens with this.

High 3-A (agree):
Possibly High 3-A (middle ground option): @Maniaunavailable, @Randomuser3412
Bubble option (disagree):

Gonna have to disagree.

Stated that he is "past infinity".

Self-Affirmations without proper context are just boasting, arrogance or not referring to literal scale.

• Was stated to have infinite power by his VA.

Why do we care about what the VA says?

Created a Zooble Box as a solution to Zooble's problems of hating her body so she can always try new details onto herself, and "has no end", implying that he created an infinite box with infinite Zooble parts.

The box could be continuously filling, or be so big that it virtually has no end for all intents and purposes, or replenished constantly.


I'm sorry, but I find this too weak even for a possible rating.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

That's most likely hyperbolic.

Do we have any reason to believe him over the writers and creator who haven't stated Caine to have infinite power? His role is a voice actor, not someone writing the show.

The Zooble Box has the bottom shown at one point, it generating an infinite amount of parts just means it's creating them out of thin air.

Oh ninja'd

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Counted

 

[Flowerguy2]

Disagreed for Psycho's reasons
the last two was already talked about in the discussion thread and it was concluded some of these wouldnt work as rating iirc

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Counted

I think possibly High 3-A is fine, idk if a full on rating because in that same episode its stated pretty clearly that he has a god complex, so the ''infinte power'' may be a self glaze, the VA iirc dosnt count as a WOG because its not a full on question so its usable, and the last ''having no end'' could mean a lot of things, but it could be possible that is infinite so yeah sure.

edit: the box thingy may fall on WOG leading question, idk what applies there but it couldn't be usable it seems, thats up to staff

I agree with "Possibly High 3-A."

Would ya two change your mind given stuff or no (it’d conclude CRT faster)

 

[Randomuser3412]

Would ya two change your mind given stuff or no (it’d conclude CRT faster)

This probably won't go through anywho. Sure, I'll change to disagree.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Neat-o

 

[Damage3245]

I agree with Charmander.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I agree with Charmander.

Thank you and neat
Do I need one or two mod disapprovals to make it fully rejected?

 

[Randomuser3412]

the box thingy may fall on WOG leading question, idk what applies there but it couldn't be usable it seems, thats up to staff

It definitely wasn't a leading question. The question wasn't asking anything about the Zooble Box or even seemed like it was fishing for a powerscaling-esque answer. It was a pretty normal question about a character that the show doesn't answer on its own.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Psychomaster and GodlyCharmander make sense to me

 

[Arceus0x]

Disagree with it, he's still an AI on a computer server so unless the real world in TADC is somehow hyper-futuristic then they aren't gonna achieve that level of prosessing power. Basically this is kinda similar to how SAO got nerfed before.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Disagree with it, he's still an AI on a computer server so unless the real world in TADC is somehow hyper-futuristic then they aren't gonna achieve that level of prosessing power.

Can’t this be said to UT & DDLC & AvA too, if we are going by “videogame logically can’t have infinite data if it’s a game” or smth?

Actually wait, my job is just to get this done and not to debate, nvm.

 

[Arceus0x]

Can’t this be said to UT & DDLC & AvA too, if we are going by “videogame logically can’t have infinite data if it’s a game” or smth?

Actually wait, my job is just to get this done and not to debate, nvm.

No, idk about AvA but in the other cases there isn't a real universe outside of the fake one. UT is a multiverse and the 'player' is us. Since the UT world is still real and only a video game to 'us', it can be infinite for the same reason that a univese in a book can be infinite despite being just a small object to us. DDLC takes place in a game universe but the file manipulation stuff happens irl, making the DDLC universe fall into the same category.

When it comes to TADC, there is a fictional real universe that isn't ours. Basically
(Our real world (fictional real world (computer world)))

So unlike the other verses listed, TADC is limited by the technology of the ficitonal real world, a world that, as far as we've been shown, isn't suppsoed to be able to process infinite data at all.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Might as well downgrade to 10-C then, since do you know any game that’s worth so many Joules? Right!

…actually, I’ll probably add this to my series of downgrades later.

 

[Arceus0x]

Might as well downgrade to 10-C then, since do you know any game that’s worth so many Joules? Right!

…actually, I’ll probably add this to my series of downgrades later.

Simply put, that's not how it works. Again, SAO is the best example of this. We tier the VR characters because it's fun whilst acknowledging that they are inside a program with limitations. Due to that, something like a 5-B feat is feasible but an entire universe being generated is not due to the limitations of the fictional real world.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Simply put, that's not how it works. Again, SAO is the best example of this. We tier the VR characters because it's fun whilst acknowledging that they are inside a program with limitations.

I think tons of joules is a pretty big limitation. A VR would explode from that kind of stuff ngl.

Due to that, something like a 5-B feat is feasible but an entire universe being generated is not due to the limitations of the fictional real world.

That sounds like double standards to me. Like, veeeeeery arbitrary double standards. That’s like randomly putting NLF at 2-C and disallowing anything last that.

 

[Arceus0x]

I think tons of joules is a pretty big limitation. A VR would explode from that kind of stuff ngl.

That sounds like double standards to me. Like, veeeeeery arbitrary double standards. That’s like randomly putting NLF at 2-C and disallowing anything last that.

Blud is NOT getting it. Feeling like ragebait right now but i'll play.

Let's run it back a little. Imagine you've got Minecraft on your PC. In the game, the character can survive an explosion. Within the game-world, that explosion is 8-C. in the real world, it was done with like a few joules through electricity. Now, in the gameworld, the character is aware of them being in a game and shakes existence. Since that awareness is now part of that story, we can only acknowledge that he shaked the generated game-world and is this like 5-C (cause im still going with the minecraft metaphor), and 3-A wouldn't happen because, again, the technology can't generate a whole 3-A universe unless it's explicitly stated that it can.
The only time I can imagine this wouldn't work is if the series fully concentrates on the in-game lore rather than the game as a game, but I can't think of any verse like that that we have.
We then apply all this logic to the fictional real world and the fictional fictional world.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Still pretty much same arbitrary double standards, but you do you!

 

[Arceus0x]

Still pretty much same arbitrary double standards, but you do you!

the standard is to enjoy scaling a verse. If you want to scale every verse like that to 10-C, that's weird and cringe.

 

[Mythic381]

This honestly feels useless to make.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

the standard is to enjoy scaling a verse. If you want to scale every verse like that to 10-C, that's weird and cringe.

But it’s funny!

This honestly feels useless to make.

It gives a precedent to not let Caine into High 3-A.

 

[Arceus0x]

But it’s funny!

funny ain't always fun long-term

 

[Mythic381]

It gives a precedent to not let Caine into High 3-A.

Some new user would've probably came and argued it anyways, and I doubt it wouldn't happen in the near future

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

funny ain't always fun long-term

Humor is subjective.

Some new user would've probably came and argued it anyways, and I doubt it wouldn't happen in the near future

Pretty sure you can’t make a CRT about something rejected without waiting for 3 months.

Besides, we can always refer to this CRT to disallow it via same reasons.

 

[Mythic381]

Pretty sure you can’t make a CRT about something rejected without waiting for 3 months.

Which is why I said "some new user"

Humor is subjective.

Said basically every Hellaverse fan

 

[Arceus0x]

Humor is subjective.

I'm gonna 'subject' you to a .50 and to a shallow grave

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Disagree for reasons above.

It gives a precedent to not let Caine into High 3-A.

The same should be done with Uni Hellaverse

 

[Arency]

Disagree with it, he's still an AI on a computer server so unless the real world in TADC is somehow hyper-futuristic then they aren't gonna achieve that level of prosessing power. Basically this is kinda similar to how SAO got nerfed before.

To be honest I can get the behind of this that it wouldn't make (logically) sense for Caine to create realistic universe, however I doubt it would change anything?

The background might be fake but the thing is how far can it be?

Because normally, even a basic sandbox have its fake background being unreachable by the player/entities regardless of the distance crossed (take a look at Roblox baseplate for example) which is supported by Caine having infinite power (might be hyperbolic ) so even if it's empty, wouldn't the borderline of circus reality be infinite or endless in size?

That's without even considering the countless adventures Caine created which, if we really consider "saving data" being true, every of them should happen within a single place (which aka I don't think Glitch put that much importance to it).

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The same should be done with Uni Hellaverse

I just realized that I came up with the actually genius strategy

 

[Alexander]

Disagree with it, he's still an AI on a computer server so unless the real world in TADC is somehow hyper-futuristic then they aren't gonna achieve that level of prosessing power. Basically this is kinda similar to how SAO got nerfed before.

If the circus continues to exists after millions of years of constant simulation, should we take the statements of Caine has valid?as far has a i know, no simulation could realistically fuction even after all that time without many realistic problems happening.

 

[Arceus0x]

If the circus continues to exists after millions of years of constant simulation, should we take the statements of Caine has valid?as far has a i know, no simulation could realistically fuction even after all that time without many realistic problems happening.

I think that's a hypothetical that should only be explored if it does happen. So far, it has existed for like 30 years

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

If the circus continues to exists after millions of years of constant simulation, should we take the statements of Caine has valid?as far has a i know, no simulation could realistically fuction even after all that time without many realistic problems happening.

So that hypothetical does bother you, but literal perfect mind scanning does not? /hj

 

[Alexander]

I think that's a hypothetical that should only be explored if it does happen. So far, it has existed for like 30 years

20 years, if it has existed for that long without suffering from degradation or a powered down, or turned off permanently, then it isn't a realistic depiction of a simulation.
Unless i have proof in the real world for computers running for that length of time under minimal conditions

 

[Arceus0x]

20 years, if it has existed for that long without suffering from degradation or a powered down, or turned off permanently, then it isn't a realistic depiction of a simulation.
Unless i have proof in the real world for computers running for that length of time under minimal conditions

That is still far more realistic than them holding infinity. There's a big jump between "these computers may be a bit futuristic" and "Earth is now a Type 5 civilization"