Adding plot manipulation resistance to Yogiri.

[Azertyhuuh]

What Dark is trying to say is that it doesn't change the fact that what was debunked is directly the "plot" stuff that is.. an exagerated explanation of fate manip (hence resistance to fate manip)

And I told you that the argument used to debunk Aoi’s plot manipulation has nothing to do with the idea that “plot” is something exaggerated or just fate manipulation.

I already explained this in the comments, and I have added it to the thread.

Note: The character Yuichi Sakaki is the protagonist of the novel Neechan wa Chuunibyou, which shares the same Fujitakaverse. This protagonist possesses plot manipulation abilities, and the events of the novel revolve around him and plot manipulation. Yuichi Sakaki is, in fact, an embodiment of the plot itself.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I would ask everyone to review the topic before commenting here. What Dark debunked has nothing to do with the other novel whose protagonist is an embodiment of the plot itself, Yuichi Sakaki, who still has plot manipulation. The concept of plot manipulation is still intact within the Fujitakaverse.

 

[sukuna171]

What Dark is trying to say is that it doesn't change the fact that what was debunked is directly the "plot" stuff that is.. an exaggerated explanation of fate manip (hence resistance to fate manip)

I mean, there this

 

[LiewtiStar]

I mean, there this

That's a lot of missing context about Worldview Holder which can be argued to also be a form of Fate manipulation.

Actually the OP didn't adress any of that in the thread at all.
It's getting really messy here...

 

[sukuna171]

That's a lot of missing context about Worldview Holder which can be argued to also be a form of Fate manipulation.

Actually the OP didn't adress any of that in the thread at all.
It's getting really messy here...

Yeah, a lot of information is missing and wasn’t included.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

It's getting really messy here...

Yeah, a lot of information is missing and wasn’t included.

As if there wasn't any expectation due to who exactly is the OP of the thread..

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Yeah, a lot of information is missing and wasn’t included.

atp sukuna should do the CRT'S

 

[sukuna171]

Yeah, a lot of information is missing and wasn’t included.

Here’s some information on worldview holders I was able to find on short notice.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

That's a lot of missing context about Worldview Holder which can be argued to also be a form of Fate manipulation.

Actually the OP didn't adress any of that in the thread at all.
It's getting really messy here...

It’s funny.

Yuichi Sakaki has plot manipulation in his profile, and he is the protagonist of Neechan wa Chuunibyou. All of the author’s novels share the Fujitakaverse. What Dark did only concerns Aoi, not the other novel or its arguments.

If anyone has an objection to Yuichi Sakaki’s plot manipulation from Neechan wa Chuunibyou, they can open another topic about it—although they won’t be able to refute it since he is an embodiment of the plot. That novel is explicitly about stories and the protagonist’s ability to alter events and rewrite narratives, and it states in his profile that he manipulates the plot. So there is no need for these comments.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

atp sukuna should do the CRT'S

There is no need for that—Yuichi Sakaki already has plot manipulation for those reasons.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

There is no need for that—Yuichi Sakaki already has plot manipulation for those reasons.

it sounds like fate manip to me tbh, profile is outdated so I wouldn't count it

 

[Xdsagecat]

I'm somewhat new to higher end scaling but I'm 99% sure resistance and manipulation are different things

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Yogiri destroying the QnA is pretty similar to:

They realise they're a character in a series
Hence breaking the fourth wall
[edit]

 

[Azertyhuuh]

it sounds like fate manip to me tbh, profile is outdated so I wouldn't count it

And will what you’re saying change anything??? Really funny.
“Old,” you say.
So all profiles are old—should we delete the entire community because it’s older than his profile? Your opinion is still just your opinion. If you object to him having plot manipulation, you can open another topic; otherwise, stay on topic and don’t derail the discussion.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Yogiri destroying the QnA is pretty similar to:

They realise they're a character in a series
Hence breaking the fourth wall
[edit]

It is not the same thing, and using evidence from one work to another work is in itself a fallacy, just so you know.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

It is not the same thing, and using evidence from one work to another work is in itself a fallacy, just so you know.

Not a fallacy,
Unless you're referring to [Association fallacy] by that then you're using the word wrong.

That was to show the similarities.
It's 4th wall breaking or fictional awareness.

"It is not the same thing"
If Yogiri can destroy the QnA via his powers to end [it] then in some way he's aware of the fourth wall and can break it..

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Not a fallacy,
Unless you're referring to [Association fallacy] by that then you're using the word wrong.

That was to show the similarities.
It's 4th wall breaking or fictional awareness.

"It is not the same thing"
If Yogiri can destroy the QnA via his powers to end [it] then in some way he's aware of the fourth wall and can break it..

There is a difference between breaking the fourth wall and the official narrative.

Breaking the fourth wall refers to characters realizing they are fictional or being able to enter the real world, or similar clearly meta elements.

The “mysterious space” is not the real world; it is a space (a space, a space, a space—I repeated the word a million times). It is a mysterious space located outside all novels, and from this space anime, novels, and other works can be created.

It is part of the official story, not a fourth-wall break. Fourth-wall breaking is when characters enter the real world in comedic scenes or realize they are fictional characters.

This has nothing to do with the mysterious space, because it is not our real world or anything like that. It is a space outside the novels and still part of the narrative.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

And will what you’re saying change anything??? Really funny.
“Old,” you say.
So all profiles are old—should we delete the entire community because it’s older than his profile? Your opinion is still just your opinion. If you object to him having plot manipulation, you can open another topic; otherwise, stay on topic and don’t derail the discussion.

dosnt even have a proper justification lul

 

[sukuna171]

it sounds like fate manip to me tbh, profile is outdated so I wouldn't count it

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

at this rate sukuna is the only one fathomably making sense cause someone just plainly isn't catching anything being said..

 

[sukuna171]

After finding a few scans, I’m leaning more neutral now. Honestly, it seems like it could be destiny, fate, or plot

 

[Maniaunavailable]

After finding a few scans, I’m leaning more neutral now. Honestly, it seems like it could be destiny, fate, or plot

I think its both except plot

 

[Elizhaa]

Yogiri had it because plot manipulation because Aoi's ability was thought to be like worldview holders who have Plot Manipulation from them but the author said it is not case but just a battlesong skill.
The raw does not say anything about plot in the relate part in the light novel nor in the translation like japanese raw for the manga.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Yogiri had it because plot manipulation because Aoi's ability was thought to be like worldview holders who have Plot Manipulation from them but the author said it is not case but just a battlesong skill.
The raw does not say anything about plot in the relate part in the light novel nor in the translation like japanese raw.

i see it as fate manip imo

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Yogiri had it because plot manipulation because Aoi's ability was thought to be like worldview holders who have Plot Manipulation from them but the author said it is not case but just a battlesong skill.
The raw does not say anything about plot in the relate part in the light novel nor in the translation like japanese raw for the manga.

This is the official translation of these Japanese sentences.

You put in your comment only Japanese text without translation, and I provided you with the official English translation, and this same text SweetDao opened an entire thread to translate because it was previously incorrect, and this is the official translation.

It was a dead end. The destination of all fates, beyond which there is nothing. The end of everything in human form. It is precisely because it is the end that it stands until the end. No one can go further than it. Before this thing, fate, the plot, and the like must be a joke.

それ は 袋小路 だっ た。 　 全て の 運命 の 行き着く 先 で あり、 そこ から 先 には 何 も ない。 全て の 終わり が そこ で 人 の 形 を 取っ て い た。 　 それ は 終焉 で ある から こそ、 最後 まで 立っ て いる 者 だ。 何者 も それ より 先 に 行く こと など でき は し ない。 　 そんな 者 を 相手 に、 運命 だの、 筋書き だの 戯れ言 にも なら ない"

 

[Reiner04]

S0 let me get this straight: you want to regain the lost abilities without adding anything new? This single scan was nuked in my earlier CRT.

So yeah, you are repeating arguments, and adding nothing new to what was debunked...


Old votes regarding this argument being debunked (staff only)
@Mr. Bambu (Comment)
@Duedate8898 (Comment)
@ActuallySpaceMan42 (Comment)

So yeah, this can be closed, no new arguments or scans are being presented, which proves plot is a metaphysical/fundamental aspect of the verse, and instead just exaggerated Fate manipulation.

Reading the earlier thread, i disagree with plot resistance thzt being proposed, too.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Reading the earlier thread, i disagree with plot resistance thzt being proposed, too.

Have you seen Elizhaa’s comment?

He clarified that Aoi was never actually a “Worldview Holder”; she only had a similar ability. This had already been discussed in a previous thread by Sweet Dao, and now Elizhaa has confirmed it again. So fundamentally, Aoi was never one of the Worldview Holders and had no real connection to plot manipulation. That means Dark’s post isn’t actually relevant to plot manipulation, because it was based on the assumption that Aoi was a Worldview Holder, which is incorrect. The author himself clarified that she only had a similar ability.

Worldview Holders are the ones who possess actual plot manipulation, and they are the ones who truly have it. The protagonist of Neechan wa Chuunibyou, Yuichi Sakaki, still has plot manipulation listed in his profile. All Fujitaka works share the same cosmology (the Fujitakaverse), and this story focuses on Yuichi Sakaki, who possesses plot manipulation—he is essentially the embodiment of the plot itself and can alter stories and events. I won’t go into too much detail about him since his profile already establishes this ability.

So Dark’s thread about plot manipulation is fundamentally flawed, because it was based on the mistaken belief that Aoi was a Worldview Holder with plot manipulation. In reality, she only had a similar ability, which led to confusion and the incorrect conclusion that plot manipulation itself was inconsistent in the series. The actual issue was simply that Aoi was never a Worldview Holder to begin with.

Review Elizhaa’s comment and Sweet Dao’s approved thread to understand the point more clearly.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

it sounds like fate manip to me tbh, profile is outdated so I wouldn't count it

It's still on the profile regardless, so he isn't completely wrong for using it.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

It's still on the profile regardless, so he isn't completely wrong for using it.

Yes, he still possesses plot manipulation.

What Dark discussed is fundamentally incorrect, because Aoi was never a Worldview Holder to begin with—the ones who actually possess plot manipulation. Aoi only had a similar ability, and this was already clarified in a prior thread and even confirmed by the author. However, some members like Dark made a completely flawed thread based on the assumption that Aoi was one of the Worldview Holders who have plot manipulation, when in reality she only had a comparable ability. This misunderstanding led to an incorrect conclusion about plot manipulation in the series, which is exactly what Elizhaa, Sweet Dao, and the author clarified.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

snip

You're gonna add the staff disagreement votes or???

 

[Azertyhuuh]

You're gonna add the staff disagreement votes or???

Only Reiner has objected so far, while Elizhaa has neither expressed an objection nor approval yet.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Only Reiner has objected so far, while Elizhaa has neither expressed an objection nor approval yet.

It was a clear disagreement with the thread so that is a lie.... If you said "had directly stated their vote" that would be fine, but like normal you are unable to do so...

Elizhaa clearly stated that the reason Yogiri had plot manipulation resistance is no longer valid... That is pretty much a vote in all but name...

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Azertyhuuh]

It was a clear disagreement with the thread so that is a lie.... If you said "had directly stated their vote" that would be fine, but like normal you are unable to do so...

Elizhaa clearly stated that the reason Yogiri had plot manipulation resistance is no longer valid... That is pretty much a vote in all but name...

He never said that.
Rather, he refuted your incorrect claim about Aoi, and it is precisely this mistake of yours that led to this confusion.
He then said that the translation does not mention the plot, but it actually does mention it. If it does mention it, then it will be counted, and yes, the official English translation does mention it.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Congratulations to the Tensura fans. Keep pushing harder and flood the thread with more mistakes. I can’t believe Reiner agreed to something that was wrong in the first place, even though Elizhaa already explained it in his comment.

This community is always like this, and that’s the reason all the supporters ended up leaving.

Tensura fans are always like this; they don’t wish good for others. They only care about their own work because in the end they will target every series just to place it under Tensura.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

He never said that.
Rather, he refuted your incorrect claim about Aoi, and it is precisely this mistake of yours that led to this confusion.
He then said that the translation does not mention the plot, but it actually does mention it. If it does mention it, then it will be counted, and yes, the official English translation does mention it.

I can't tell if you are just messing with me, or actually incapable of reading due to translations.... But let me simplify it for you. (Extremely)
*1 - SweetDao debunks Aoi having plot manipulation
*2 - I debunk the resistances as a follow-up to CRT
*Conclusion - So plot manipulation resistance gets nuked due to the ability not existing in the verse... And it being just fate manipulation...

So yeah, you are straight up lying... How do you even read Elizhaa's comment as anything but a debunk to your claim?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Azeryty: 1 + 1 = 2

Tensura fans: That’s wrong, it’s actually 6.

Staff: Yes, we agree with the Tensura fans.

AZERTY: How? Why is everyone agreeing? 1 + 1 = 2, everyone knows that. How can we agree on something wrong?

Another staff member: Yes, 1 + 1 = 2.

The staff members who agreed with the Tensura fans: Yes, based on what this staff member said, I agree.

Tensura fans: Yes, this looks good. The staff always correct your threads and approve them.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I can't tell if you are just messing with me, or actually incapable of reading due to translations.... But let me simplify it for you. (Extremely)
*1 - SweetDao debunks Aoi having plot manipulation
*2 - I debunk the resistances as a follow-up to CRT
*Conclusion - So plot manipulation resistance gets nuked due to the ability not existing in the verse... And it being just fate manipulation...

So yeah, you are straight up lying... How do you even read Elizhaa's comment as anything but a debunk to your claim?

Keep ignoring things and interpreting them however you want. This thread will continue, it will be approved, and it will never be closed.

 

[Robo432343]

Keep ignoring things and interpreting them however you want. This thread will continue, it will be approved, and it will never be closed.

yes lord azerty

 

[Xdsagecat]

Most nothing burger crt iv seen since iv joined