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Small Dragon Ball Super Goku addition.

disagree for the talisman but he can get the jar and rice cooker (remember that one time?)

jokes aside tho yea that makes sense
 
Like an actual talisman and not Roshi's hostess bar coupon
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iirc he was given all these things and then forgot them at home, well, i guess this is fine for Optional Equipment

But let's hear other opinion on this

@DarkDragonMedeus @Godernet @LordGriffin1000 @Damage3245
Yeah should be fair grounds for optional equipment or else it’ll be a useless ability on his profile despite actually mastering it.

Also does this also apply to future trunks’ optional equipment since he also knows Mafuuba
 
The jar and rice cooker is likely fine since he actually took it into a situation. Since he never had the talisman in battle I'm not sure about that. He does have access to it, shame he's as scatterbrained as a kitten surrounded by butterflies.
 
The jar and rice cooker is likely fine since he actually took it into a situation. Since he never had the talisman in battle I'm not sure about that. He does have access to it, shame he's as scatterbrained as a kitten surrounded by butterflies.
I mean it was a mistake on Goku’s part and he did mean to bring the talisman in order for it to work. Manga Goku also did entirely intend to bring the talisman but accidentally took Roshi’s hostess bar coupon because he was in a rush.

For wiki matchups purposes what’s the difference between indexing it as an optional equipment than specifying on matchups “Goku has 5 minute prep time to teleport to Kame House to grab the talisman and this time he remembers what the real one looks like”
 
Didn't Goku have the talisman when he was training sealing with the turtle? Maybe that'll be enough to listing it for Optional Equipment
He didn’t have a talisman during the turtle training because Roshi was still making it. But then again it all boils down to a minor issue. He always intended to use the talisman in the first place, he was just in a rush.
 
The concern is he has literally never managed to use the talisman without messing it up. Normally with optional equipment we have to at least have an instance of them using it.

I'm not exactly opposed to it, just uncertain and concerned.
 
Actually while we’re at it. Can we grant him the power pole, nimbus, SAB coat, that one suit Bulma gave him to go to the core of the earth, and Senzu beans as optional equipments
No, Nimbus he can call anytime so idk how we are going to do with it

Power Pole he literally didn't have it until Daima so again no

SAB coat at best is for Broly Saga only
 
The concern is he has literally never managed to use the talisman without messing it up. Normally with optional equipment we have to at least have an instance of them using it.

I'm not exactly opposed to it, just uncertain and concerned.
Yeah but it’s not like he’s making the talisman or the process of putting the talisman on the jar is difficult. He has the entire ability mastered and everything. He intended to use the the talisman the entire time but was just in a hurry to make it back to the future, which is like a non issue for versus matchups conditions.

(Honestly makes more sense of him having them rather than him having a full set of usable dragon balls as his optional equipment rn tbf)
 
No, Nimbus he can call anytime so idk how we are going to do with it

Power Pole he literally didn't have it until Daima so again no

SAB coat at best is for Broly Saga only
Guessing SAB Coat for Broly Arc, Senzu beans, Core Earth Suit thingy are fine then.
 
Yeah but it’s not like the he’s making the talisman or the process of putting the talisman on the jar is difficult. He has the entire ability mastered and everything. He intended to use the the talisman the entire time but was just in a hurry to make it back to the future, which is like a non issue for versus matchups conditions.
Yeah, I know. If only it wasn't a coin toss that he'd blow his nose on the talisman then try to attach the tissue to the container.
(Honestly makes more sense of him having them rather than him having a full set of usable dragon balls as his optional equipment rn tbf)
Yeah, that's a bit weird, but at least he uses the Dragon Balls and doesn't do anything ridiculous like eating them then trying to wish on takoyaki balls.
 
Tbh, I do not think the talisman actually qualifies for Optional Equipment. Per the page:
This is not to be confused with Optional Equipment, which can encompass anything that the character has owned or made use of for an extended period of time, regardless of whether or not it's usually on their person.
Goku has not even touched the talisman himself, has he? So it shouldn't work. And, well, the logic of "Let's give this item to a character, otherwise his ability is useless!" seems to be a wrong approach.

So, at best we could give him the sale coupon as optional equipment?
 
Tbh, I do not think the talisman actually qualifies for Optional Equipment. Per the page:

Goku has not even touched the talisman himself, has he? So it shouldn't work. And, well, the logic of "Let's give this item to a character, otherwise his ability is useless!" seems to be a wrong approach.
As much as it'd be good to give this to him, I must say I'm hesitant to index an item he's never used and consistently forgets.
So, at best we could give him the sale coupon as optional equipment?
That just sounds cheeky, unless he can somehow make it work.
 
As much as it'd be good to give this to him, I must say I'm hesitant to index an item he's never used and consistently forgets.
He’s only ever forgot it once and it’s entirely because he’s in a rush back to the future to save Trunks. He’s also not going to somehow drop more braincells to use the talisman as a tissue , discard that talisman, and then use the tissue as a talisman if he has it as optional either.
 
Well Roshi and Tien have used them, so they could probably have it as optional equiment. Same with Kami and his bottle.
Tbf Roshi should be a standard equipment because this dude spammed the hell out of Mafuba during TOP.

So what we have is

Anime Goku forgetting talisman because he’s in a rush to go back to the future.

Manga Goku remembers talisman, executes Mafuba perfectly, and puts the “talisman” on the jar correctly. Goku only grabbing the wrong one because he’s in a rush to go back to the future.

Him being in a rush is a non existent issue for matchups. If somehow manga goku doesn’t atleast qualify then does me doing this circumvent this.

“Fight takes place in Dragon Ball Earth. Goku has 5 minute prep time to teleport to Kame House to grab the talisman. Goku grabs the talisman and not the hostess bar coupon. Teleports back to his opponent before the fight starts”
 
I'm sorry, I don't know if we can index optional equipment the character has never used.
 
I think i can agree with not adding the talisman since he hasn't touch it and have it on himself
 
Are we dead ass not gonna give him the talisman because of a one time mistake Goku would literally never make in any other scenario? If so then that's dumbest technicality I've ever seen in my entire time vs debating.
The issue isn't a one-time mistake. It's the fact that he's never used it successfully or even had it on his person just in case. He's literally never done anything but mess it up.
 
The issue isn't a one-time mistake. It's the fact that he's never used it successfully or even had it on his person just in case. He's literally never done anything but mess it up.
He literally would have done it perfectly if not for being in the biggest rush of his life! This is just nitpicking of the highest order at this point!
 
Just saying we accept Goku having an entire set of usable Dragon Balls as optional equipment when the guy has not once used it in a middle of a fight or even ever carried all 7 on him at the same time

But that somehow has more merit than Goku executing the Mafuba perfectly fine, sealed him in the jar correctly, and then correctly applied the “seal” on it. The only mistake being the guy was in a rush so he grabbed the wrong seal on the table instead of the other one. Bro was given this off screen in a general area btw.
 
He literally would have done it perfectly if not for being in the biggest rush of his life! This is just nitpicking of the highest order at this point!
It's not anyone's intent to downplay. The issue is that he hasn't actually wielded it or carried it into battle at all. I seem to recall he also left and needed item behind on the toilet on another occasion, and during the Zamasu battle it slipped his mind until the end that he had a button to call Zeno. Clearly forgetfulness of key items is a recurring issue here.
 
It's not anyone's intent to downplay. The issue is that he hasn't actually wielded it or carried it into battle at all. I seem to recall he also left and needed item behind on the toilet on another occasion, and during the Zamasu battle it slipped his mind until the end that he had a button to call Zeno. Clearly forgetfulness of key items is a recurring issue here.
This is meant to be an optional equipment crt. Him forgetting something shouldn’t be a defeater because optional items aren’t supposed be on him 100% of the time and this wouldn’t apply on versus matchups either because matchup standards gives it to him at the start of a fight anyways

Even then

Like an actual talisman and not Roshi's hostess bar coupon
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Bro legit tried to use the seal and just accidentally grabbed the wrong one. He didn’t even forget it.
 
Btw that Zeno button thing doesn’t work because an arc later he uses it to teleport to Zeno and he bribes Baba with the button.

If “forgetting” is a disqualifier then why do we even give him any standard or optional equipments in the first place.
 
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