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Lightmaster's profile overhaul (Marvel comic)

Sparkive

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I couldn't think of a themed name.
Hello!
New CTR, and my 3rd Marvel character overhaul... this one, however, is going to be a bit more complicated, (more info below)
Current profile - New profile (Before CTR) - New Profile+ (Based on the CTR)

First of all, I'm going to create two categories:
  • Lies: things in the profile that I didn't find when I reviewed the character (To be fair, one is also on the Marvel Database wiki)
  • Problem: something that needs to be discussed

With that said:

Cosmetic Changes

Profile Pictures and quotes: Nothing, the original page doesn't have a quote, and from what I checked, he doesn't have anything really noteworthy, so no quote. As for the costumes, although he has better ones, none last more than 3 appearances (referring to direct continuations of the same story), so I think it's fine as it is. If it's necessary to add more, I recommend looking in Cable and Deadpool (2004) #4-5 or Superior Spider-Man Team-Up (2013) #5.

P/A:
Many abilities were missing
I try to make it easier to understand what he can do, for example "Can create constructs of light" links to an imgchest that contains all the ways he has used the ability that I could find (advantages of being a character with few appearances)
Aside from that, I'd change the explanation of his blinding passive, because it's never used again after its first appearance. Yes, Spider-Man still has protectors for this at his disposal, but nobody has any real trouble seeing him; at best, it's something he has to activate.
Other than that, Lightmaster is very versatile.
Lie: Lightmaster has never tried using Immaterial Intangibility (yes, he is made of light, but nothing passes through him, he is still vulnerable to blows, and when Cable wraps him in metals, he cannot pass through them).

TIERING:
First of all, his fight record
Fights:
Suit

Vs Tarantula (Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) #3): after blinding him, oneshot him

Vs Spiderman 1 (Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) #3): It leaves Spider-Man sore for a while from an attack, having to make an effort to stay conscious

Vs Spiderman 2 (Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) #3): Spider-Man is on the run throughout the fight, knowing that LightMaster's "sheer power" was beyond him. He manages to kick him, but according to his own words, he can't hit him hard enough in the air. Finally, Spider-Man defeats LightMaster by electrocuting him with light as a connector.

Light Being

Vs Peter Parker and Hector Ayala (Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) #20): Lightmaster, believing Hector Ayala to be Spider-Man, attacks him by surprise, accidentally causing him to drop the White Tiger amulet. Peter, in turn, is unable to do anything without revealing his identity. Ends up taking him without further problems.

Vs Spider-Man (Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) #20): Spider-Man attacks him by surprise, then dodges all his blows until he tries to drag him outside, accidentally getting trapped inside a giant, unbreakable plastic light bulb. Lightmaster focuses his light to try and fry him, but this causes a citywide blackout, preventing him from maintaining his molecular structure.

Vs Dazzler (The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #203): From the Light Dimension, he sent a light globe to chase Dazzler. She was able to dodge it until she made a wrong move, but was saved by Spider-Man. However, believing the newspaper, she attacked him. Later, she stopped in an alley to rest, only to be struck by the light globe, allowing Lightmaster to return. In turn, she weakened, making it easier for Lightmaster to kidnap her.

Vs Spider-Man (The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #203): After capturing Dazzler, Lightmaster is stronger (a source of light, and a light-absorbing type), and easily defeats Spider-Man, but tells him not to kill him yet, so he leaves.

Vs Spider-Man 2(The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #203): Spider-Man easily guessed where Lightmaster would go and caught up to him. Lightmaster couldn't catch up, thanks to his spider-sense. However, Spider-Man couldn't do anything before Lightmaster pulled a lever and possessed Dazzler.

The remaining fights in this chapter take place while he possesses Dazzler's body, so he doesn't scale himself.

Vs Spider-Man 3(The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #203): Possessing Dazzler, Spider-Man feels the need to escape, not understanding what is happening. He dodges thanks to his spider-sense, finally shooting webs at her eyes, and manages to escape by blending into the crowd after removing his suit.

Vs Spider-Man 4(The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #203): Spider-Man thinks and understands what's happening, so he blinds and binds him with his web and takes him to the original laboratory. When he manages to break free from the web, Spider-Man, being close, slap him and activates the machine to deactivate Lightmaster and Dazzler.

Vs Quasar (Marvel Team-Up (1972) #113): Lightmaster blinds Quasar and envelops his energy bands, feeding on his energy and taking shape, after which he envelops Quasar, who begins to fall numbly.

Vs Spider-Man (Marvel Team-Up (1972) #113): After encountering Spider-Man, he attacks him, who can't do much. Spider-Man manages to catch him by surprise, so Lightmaster unwraps Quasar to escape his grasp and sends him flying with one attack.

Vs Quasar 2 (Marvel Team-Up (1972) #113): Quasar awakens and with all his strength knocks him out. Lightmaster rebuilds himself and receives attacks from Quasar, which, being made of light, do nothing to him, and Lightmaster easily defeats him.

Vs Spider-Man 2 (Marvel Team-Up (1972) #113): Lightmaster creates copies of himself to attack Spider-Man. The only reason Spider-Man can survive is because the more copies there are, the less coordinated they become. Quasar awakens and deactivates his energy bands, leaving Lightmaster without a light source.

Suit again

Vs She-Hulk [with help of Wirlwind, Radioactive man and Plant-man] (Sensational She-Hulk (1989) #24): She-Hulk can't fight properly because she has a vase; Lightmaster hurts her, but after that it's an absolute beating from She-Hulk.

Vs She-Hulk & Death's head [with help of Wirlwind, Radioactive man and Plant-man] (Sensational She-Hulk (1989) #24): Lightmaster's attack bounces off Death's head, after which they are beaten in less than 1 page.

Light Form again

Vs Cloak & Dagger (Amazing Spider-Man Annual (1964) #26 [E Story]): He attacks by surprise, is immune to Dagger's light daggers, one-shot Cloak, and kidnaps Dagger (On no occasion are Cloak or Dagger able to dodge an energy beam from Lightmaster)..

Vs Cloak & Dagger ( The Spectacular Spider-Man Annual (1988) #12 [E Story] & Web of Spider-Man Annual (1985) #8 [E Story]): Cloak attacks by surprise with a light gun, but this only makes him stronger. Dagger breaks free and damages his CONTAIMENT suit that allowed him to store his light, which Cloak uses to his advantage to defeat him (On no occasion are Cloak or Dagger able to dodge an energy beam from Lightmaster).

Vs Cable (Cable and Deadpool (2004) #5): Lightmaster attacks Cable by surprise, undetected by his telepathy, and proves superior to Cable. Cable, with his enhanced powers (I think), sends him to the moon, but Lightmaster quickly returns and is used by Cable to achieve his goal at that moment.

Vs White Dragon (Dark Reign: Mr. Negative (2009) #1): There is no fight per se, but White Dragon (corrupted and empowered by Mister Negative) surprise attacks (and defeats) several of his companions, including LightMaster with fire.

Vs Mister Negative Gang (Dark Reign: Mr. Negative (2009) #1): He easily defeats randoms from Mr. Negative's group, but they keep coming back for their regeneration. It is Spot who ends up defeating them, by teleporting away

Vs Spider-man (corrupted and empowered by Mr.Negative) (Dark Reign: Mr. Negative (2009) #1):The corrupt Spider-Man easily defeats everyone; it's worth remembering that Mr. Negative makes those he corrupts stronger.

Vs Spider-man (Spider-Man: The Root of all Annoyance (2009)): Spider-Man has a curse that teleports a bag of money to his side, and as he tries to get rid of it, he is suddenly attacked by Lightmaster. But while he's talking, the bag falls on top of him, knocking him out instantly.

Vs Rogue and Mimic (along with several others supporting him) (X-Men: Legacy (2008) #275): Several supervillains are escaping from prison. When they see Rogue, they don't let her near, so she goes to well-behaved prisoners to borrow their powers. When she returns, she has enough strength to approach the escaped criminals and easily defeats them.

Vs Superior Spider-man & Sun Girl (Superior Spider-Man Team-Up (2013) #6): While Spider-Man and Sun Girl were fighting a team of supervillains, Lightmaster took the opportunity to steal the "quantum particle engine." However, when he arrived at the battle and went to activate it (using his light), he was distracted by the sight of Sun Girl (his daughter). Spider-Man seized the opportunity to attack, but due to Lightmaster's mind control over the Sinister Six, he ended up being struck by the latter. Sun Girl then attacked him with a light blast (which made no sense) and take him down.

AP:
The most important thing is that Lightmaster has a Varies mechanic; the more light he absorbs, the more powerful he is. This seems to affect not only his AP but also his speed and heat manipulation (As it says in my sandbox)

Now, why only Higher?

Because we see him absorb light from three characters:

In other words, we don't know the maximum he's reached or if that's his limit.

Lie 2: Although we can infer that Lightmaster is superior to Kraven, it's never directly stated, so there's no need to include it in the profile; instead, it's better to use his battles.
Problem 1: Lightmaster has possible Upper Mid Tier downscaling: From least usable to most usable: He damages She-Hulk once, and can penetrate Cable's shields with light beam (slightly). Although Large Building level is more consistent, I think it would be good to discuss it a bit.

DURABILITY:
It's simple. Even though he is stronger that Spider-Man, there's no evidence that his durability scales to that level. The best he can do is withstand Spider-Man's attacks, but he never reaches the point of tanking them.

SPEED:
The "higher" is basically a compromise, because when he had Dazzler's energy, he reached the movement speed of a falling meteor, and considering that the comic immediately describe this as an errant heavenly body, it possibly refers to its speed in space (Mach 32.58), which surpasses the speed at which his entire tier is currently scaling.
Besides that, I added an "At least".

Lie 3: His current profile says he can keep up with Black Cat... and these two have never interacted (in Spider-Man: The Root of All Annoyance, both characters appear, but they never see each other).
Problem 2: In Cable and Deadpool #5, Lightmaster is sent to the moon, and after escaping, he returns to Earth. This is treated as him being able to travel at the speed of light. Separately, in "Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #203," when he possesses Dazzler, he claims to be able to travel at the speed of light (although in this case, we can say it's something he can do because he possesses her). I think "Speed of Light movement" is an outlier, but again, it's probably important to discuss it further.

INTELLIGENCE
I downgraded i to Geniust; this is what it was then:
Intelligence: Extraordinary Genius. Lansky was extremely skilled in the field of theoretical physics, having turned a concept into reality. Even Peter Parker was impressed by the scope of Lansky's mind. Also has knowledge of optics and business. However, he was consistently outsmarted by Spider-Man.
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it's quite vague (having turned a concept into reality), without links, and on the scientific side, he really specializes in one subject (light phenomena), which is contrary to what the requirements for Extraordinary Genius say; yes, what he did is fiction in the real world, but I doubt that's enough.
Lie 4: I found nothing to imply that Spider-Man was surprised by "the scope of Lansky's mind"

Edit: Apparently, doing science that ignores the laws of real life is enough, so he returns to being an extraordinary genius.

THE REST:
  • I am taking the constructs into account in the LS
  • .I gave in Stamina infinite through absorption; when he says his energy is limitless, it's in reference to the fact that Spider-Man is already tired. This is clearly because he's absorbing light/energy. If there's any counter-argument to this, it needs to be discussed.
Lie 5: He didn't "outlast the White Tiger," according to the comic itself; this seems to be an effect of being away from his amulet.


CHARACTER THAT SCALE TO LIGHTMASTER?
Nobody.
  • In terms of strength, he's hurt Spider-Man (and Superior Spider-Man), he can hurt Cable (and Cable probably has shields up), and he's completely superior to characters like Tarantula or Dagger.
  • In terms of speed... he's worse; Spider-Man hints at using his spider-sense to dodge him and finds his attacks too fast (I put a note about that.), while Cable, Dagger, and Cloak don't dodge him even once; every attack he throws at them hits them.

EXTRA
Spider-Man should have resistance to Blinding with equipment.
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That's all!.
 
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This mostly seems fine to apply, but given that he can invent reality-warping fantasy technology, he probably qualifies for Extraordinary Genius. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
This mostly seems fine to apply, but given that he can invent reality-warping fantasy technology, he probably qualifies for Extraordinary Genius. 🙏
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What do you mean by "reality warping"? I mean, his technology is fantastical, but I don't know if it's on that scale.
 
I disagree with the note about spider man’s speed not scaling to lightmaster, but my reasons are likely more controversial then the rest of the stuff you proposed and I don’t want to overcomplicate your simple revision

Aside from that everything looks good
 
Sparkive said:
What do you mean by "reality warping"? I mean, his technology is fantastical, but I don't know if it's on that scale.
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I meant that it transcends real world laws of physics. 🙏
 
Thank you. I think that it seems good to apply. 🙏🙂
 
Antvasima said:
Are any of you willing to take a look here please? 🙏
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It's a clear improvement of the current one, that's for sure.

Antvasima said:
he probably qualifies for Extraordinary Genius. 🙏
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I agree.

"Can kept up with Spider-Man" Little typo on the speed section, nothing major. "Blinding (Lightmaster blinds Quasar so he can attack him by surprise)" should be linked to Status Effect Inducement.

I'd just word his tiering as "Varies, up to at least h8-c" instead because I believe this wording works best with variable characters, rest is probably fine. It also indirectly justifies any low-end feat that might come up at a future date.
 
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Tomfer said:
"Can kept up with Spider-Man" Little typo on the speed section, nothing major
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Fixed (I assume it was the time: "keep" my English is a bit rusty)
Tomfer said:
I'd just word his tiering as "Varies, up to at least h8-c" instead because I believe this wording works best with variable characters
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Regarding the "Varies, up to at least h8-c"... I may be misunderstanding something, but: .
The "Varies , At least High 8-C , higher via Absorption" it's thanks to his absorption; Lightmaster operates at ast least high 8-c (He's simply superior to Spider-Man in AP) but it can become stronger through its absorption (that is the higher).
Wouldn't ""Up to at least h8-c"" indicate that is his maximum?
 
Sparkive said:
Fixed (I assume it was the time: "keep" my English is a bit rusty)

Regarding the "Varies, up to at least h8-c"... I may be misunderstanding something, but: .
The "Varies , At least High 8-C , higher via Absorption" it's thanks to his absorption; Lightmaster operates at ast least high 8-c (He's simply superior to Spider-Man in AP) but it can become stronger through its absorption (that is the higher).
Wouldn't ""Up to at least h8-c"" indicate that is his maximum?
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It just means his biggest feat at this moment is upscaling to Spidey, and you can still put the "higher" there. This just leaves more room to future feats that may scaling even above. See it more like preparing the ground for any possible changes.
 
Sparkive said:
Excuse me, sorry, but... what's your opinion on what Tomfer brought up? (message 26 & 28)
Personally, I think what I already did in the sandbox works better, but better safe than sorry.
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Just go with your sandbox then. That was just a suggestions. You're the one who did the research about the character, not me, lmao.
 
Thank you for helping out. Should we close this thread then? 🙏
 
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