Wdym scaling them to their paths?
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True.
uhh for example, since paths are omnipresent across the tree, all aeons get omnipresence too. not just hooh?
Silly nanook. Why doesn he just unleash his army everywhere? Did he forget hes omnipresent?
Blame nous herta and mommyguang
Can't wait for HSR 5.x to reveal that Welt is from another Tree
He is omnipresent. Not his army.
Why? They seem to know everything happening around the universe casting their gaze and appearing on people and events who grab their attention. Is it not believed that aeons = paths?
who said they are bound to real space or path space though? /gen
either nous is just beyond space-time shenanigans and they dont see reality in a linear way the way acheron does so to the non-aeonic beings this process is witnessed differently or they focus on a "main" timeline whereas the rest are discarded but again mortals still witness them. or acheron was just schizo-dreaming. she's not the most mentally stable girl out there.
i agree but why was it decided that aeons "live" in path space? from the looks of its just a way to reach them. its literally just crossroads to other realities such as the eden of insight. i dont understand.
I never said his army was omnipresent. It was a joke saying nanook should just unleash his army everywhere if hes omnipresent
Because its sorta inconsistant like qlipoth is right outside the ipc’s base and ENA only affected asdana, why these seemingly omnipresent being only affect small parts if the universe is beyond me but maybe itll get explain in 6.8 with equilibrium TB
The op.
The issue here is that if the other timelines are discarded they seemingly dont exist which contradicts not only the hi3 cosmology but also hsr’s own imaginary tree theory so either nous is a fraud/just lied to herta or there legit is just an imaginary trunk with no branches
he prunes branches and guides them toward a certain future
This doesnt actually affect anyone from my thread except aeons which ive said im fine with lol. Real space being low 1-C is an issue i can only see it being 2-A through either the shitty MWI or having infinite ggz and genshin sized leaf worlds
Goku solos the Aeons nowFollowing the conclusion of this thread, now comes a long-awaited Aeon nuking.
To begin, though, I believe it’s apt to clarify what the thread above established:
So then, how does this relate to Aeonic scaling?
- The Physical World is inherently 4-dimensional. And in respect to Bubble Worlds, it can possess up to 7 compactified extra dimensions. So it is Tier 2.
- The Sea of Quanta and Imaginary Tree (Imaginary Space) are both 11-dimensional constructs, scaling to High 1-C.
Well, this scan:
^ Irontomb here, and additionally, Aeons like Fuli scale to the Physical World. Explicitly so. In fact, the statement is so blatant that in the same scan it reifies “Universe” as referring to that same Physical Plane.
And when Irontomb actually destroys the Universe, we are told:
Basically, they escaped Irontomb by going into Path Space (non-corporeal) and state that Irontomb will only affect the “Real” (Physical) Space-Time.
So as it stands, Aeons only scale to the physical 4-dimensional Universe. Which naturally places them at Low 2-C.
Now. We do have this statement:
“Multiverse” here uses 多宇宙 (duō yǔzhòu) which literally means “many universes” with 宇宙 (yǔzhòu) being the term generally used for the Universe or Cosmos itself. Which functionally implies that it is talking about multiple entire universes.
Now. Hoyoverse terminology is bad. Like really bad. For example, in places like Durandal’s VN, it uses both 宇宙 (yǔzhòu), the term used for Universe in HSR, and 世界 (shìjiè), which is the term used for Leaves in HSR, to refer to the same Bubble Worlds (which are small Space-Times that do not even qualify for Low 2-C):
In that sense, it seems reallyyyy odd to trust a one-off statement like this. But, HSR terminology is generally more consistent, I’ll give it that. So for IX only, I’m not necessarily prone against it having some arbitrary 2-C rating, or a “Low 2-C, possibly higher”.
Also, Duranadal has this feat, but we already established last thread that Bubble Worlds aren’t some High 1-C structure or wtvr. So it’s getting nuked to the size of the Bubble World itself.
In any case, I have to address a question: Why is the Universe Low 2-C?
Well, I’ll begin by saying that I’m not that against some 2-C rating.
After all, we know genshin is inside of the Tree (as Otto observed it with the 2nd Key) and we also know that its universe is at least 93 billion lightyears long. Which of course qualifies for our standards. So on that, I’m not against it.
Then, we also have the issues presented by scans such as these. In Hi3, particularly speaking, every branch holds parallel timelines of the leaf worlds, with these timelines explicitly being “alive” (including the ones in the past as seen by Otto):
Issue, then, is Herta's explanation. Which posits the following:
This should then immediately raise some eyebrows, since both of these explicitly contradict two functions of the Tree.
- The future in the Tree is determined by quantum collapse (as also explained by Yao Guang), which happens through observation and the "pruning of branches".
- The totality of branches and leaves make up the present.
The first one is the fact that the alternate timelines of the leaves... do not exist in HSR. Since they would fall off for a certain future to sprout. Which explicitly contradicts what we see in Hi3 since those timelines exist and aren't "pruned" to anchor a future.
And secondly, that Kallen's timeline (the one Otto created in the past), cannot possibly exist if only the present constitutes branches and leaves. Which, mind you, is visually contradicted since we see a branch sprout when Otto created the timeline. (It'd also be a funny implication that Nous possibly sniped Kallen's branch lmfao)
So then, what now? Well, there's really no reconciliation for these issues. They're pretty blatantly inconsistent, unless we assume Herta is a D1 sub-intellectual and just saying shit for the sake of it.
If we accept the contradiction, then we can argue that Aeons are 2-A due to infinite timelines. But if we are to say that Aeons only scale to their non-contradicted feats, then it would go down to somewhere in Low 2-C or 2-C. I'll honestly leave this for the mods all things considered.
A bit more unrelated, but this is also not the first time that the series contradicts itself. And I want ya’ll to keep it in mind when making the judgment above. This is the description of IT in HSR:
Whereas in Hi3, the Tree is not the universe. In fact, it is the origin of it and is a higher-dimensional membrane/space that exists outside of it that you need to open portals to. So yea, IT does not mean the same thing in both series, at all.
As for Otto who created a branch/timeline, Low 2-C is fine.
Only Cocoon should realistically be High 1-C.
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I thought it was obvious that the ipc thing was a scam one way or another. Lol.
Yeah idk where nova got this from. Just writing fanfic atp.
It could just be an ongoing process that hasn't been completed yet. I don't think that contradicts anything?
Can I know what tf ts means? There’s no “High 1-C physically” or wtvr. They’d have to literally be the Tree itself to get that in the sense they don’t straight-up have the AP for it.
So. Does the Tree not have the timelimes at all? I’m confused because we know Otto was literally looking at them later on.
Every LOTM Town level is functionally 11-dimensional.
The other comments are not worth responding to. This one is particularly bad because you misunderstand how Expy’s work.
What Otto is creating in Thus Spoke Apocalpyse is a different space time, a different timeline, a different branch where kallen lives according to MWI. The tree have timelines and possibilities but there aren't the result of MWI since in MWI there's literally no wave function collapse. Tree's timelines are different version of the Universe which contains infinite MWI worlds. These have wave function collapse unlike MWI. Tree timeline means there's literally another possiblity where these all MWI worlds can go.
You would have to say that branches have simultaneously contradictory functions for this to work. That’s the issue here.
We’re told it’s about quantum wave collapse literally 2 patches later.
I just think you don't get my point at all. What Herta and Yao Guang said was about Universe aka Tree's timelines and its wave function collapse. This has nothing to do with MWI that caused the infinite parallel worlds as different space times in the Universe aka Tree.
Yea, I don't get your point at all, to tell it straight.
I don't even get wtf this means. The first sentence posits wave function collapse about the Universe... and the next says the opposite about the same Universe. Be more precise, please.
The tree doesn't collapse these branches cuz if it does, it is no longer a tree but rather a trunk T - T
These are MWI branches. MWI branches make up the tree which is the Universe. The universe itself also have infinite possibilities it can go into but unlike parallel worlds, it itself has wave function collapse causing only one future instead of multiple trees.
That's literally what I've been saying:
This is funny but all of ya'll on some insane negative tracking. I never claimed ts
OMGGGGGGG T - T
He would have to if he's pruning the branches. This is literally a must.
Those are the same thing.
This requires the other world to EXIST, which isn't possible if it is pruned.
You yourself said this. Branches are the result of MWI where wave function doesn't collapse. You agreed that what nous doing is collapsing the wave function. So you also have to agree that nous is pruning the possibilities of the tree not each worlds. Also why are you ignoring that Herta is just giving an analogy. Address that lmao
No. You still don't get the MWI. As I said before, the server having its own possibilities is not the same with game world inside the server having possiblities. MWI wikipedia already stated that wave function evolves in deterministic way.
MWI world aren't pruned by Nous as per reasons above.
I suggested this before but the main issue (that ive been told) is that their avatars dont have much differences from their true selves (which is why we treat IX’s shadows as IX THEMSELVES)
No I’m saying that there’s a collapse for each branch, but the summation of that is the wave function collapse of the Tree.
I’m confused on the correlation of the two. Or moreso confused on how this point correlates to the general issue at hand.
No, I just disagree. Don’t read too much into it.
Ah. Iirc they're "Higher Dimensional Beings" who use avatars to descend... unless their True Forms are 4D then uuuuuh......
Okay then explain to me how there's a collapse for each branch? The changes in Planarcadia also affect the outer cosmo since there're outside factors involving. Prove to me that wave function collapse in Planarcadia is only local and doesn't affect the universe in the slightest.
I have explained everything I can. If you still don't understand it, that's your problem. We literally have tons of statements about MWI and you are believing Herta's analogy over all of this.
Yao Guang being stated to be the Nous of Planarcadia?? This is the same difference between the Matrix and Aeons, wherein the former cannot calculate the latter since it can’t observe all possibilities.
Two analogies, actually. Both of which are also the most recent explanation of the Tree’s quantum mechanics.
Right? That’s why I’m saying HSR is self-contradictory.
I still just wanna say nous is a bum and just a precog merchant. Hes not destroying other timelines because they achknowledge they still exist
Not to mention would this completely **** over fuli and terminus? Terminus’ past is our future which means nous is essentially changing terminus’ past when pruning the branches and is just memories n shit. Terminus m, the aeon/concept of time, having less authority over the future than nous is an odd thought
Yao Gaung being nous of planarcadia also affect the outer cosmo's future since universe will go into a direction where the quantum event of planarcadia happened or didn't happened. It's the same as nous determining the future.
