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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

CasperSenar said:
Uhh what's his first move in a fight
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Depends on the opponent

Against weaklings, he soul crushes
Against those he hates, he slices them like butter
Against those that are a joke for him, he no-low diffs them with small reiatsu torrents
Against those that could pose serious trouble for him, he just no diffs them via The Almighty
Against those that could offer him some fun, he uses reiatsu torrents thousands of times greater than those he uses on opponents that are a joke and then goes to physical combat but he always keeps his Almighty active
 
ItsMeat said:
Depends on the opponent

Against weaklings, he soul crushes
Against those he hates, he slices them like butter
Against those that are a joke for him, he no-low diffs them with small reiatsu torrents
Against those that could pose serious trouble for him, he just no diffs them via The Almighty
Against those that could offer him some fun, he uses reiatsu torrents thousands of times greater than those he uses on opponents that are a joke and then goes to physical combat but he always keeps his Almighty active
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If the opponent resists fate and powernull, what yhwach would do
 
CasperSenar said:
What's soul crush?
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The spiritual pressure of a character destroying another's soul. In fact, even lieutenants have to seal 80% of their power because of what their mere presence would do in the world of the living.

Stronger characters are more resistant to it, but the degree of resistance depends on the soul's durability, something 99.9% of verses don't even touch

And even when the character resists the amount of reiatsu used to crush them, it still has effects such as causing them insane fear
 
ItsMeat said:
The spiritual pressure of a character destroying another's soul. In fact, even lieutenants have to seal 80% of their power because of what their mere presence would do in the world of the living.

Stronger characters are more resistant to it, but the degree of resistance depends on the soul's durability, something 99.9% of verses don't even touch

And even when the character resists the amount of reiatsu used to crush them, it still has effects such as causing them insane fear
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Then what do you think of this matchup?
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The Monkey that defied Fate vs The God that controls Fate

Battle between Sun Wukong vs Yhwach, who wins? (Speed equalized)
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Naeblis495 said:
Caja Negation is a separate dimension...It's not under the light of Las Noches or even in Hueco Mundo. Yet, Aizen was still perfectly able to know when Ulquiorra would break out of it, down to the second (meaning he could sense Ulquiorra in a separate dimension) and have his order be heard by Ulquiorra even tho he hadn't broke out yet. And Starrk clearly say that WW is here because Aizen got tired of waiting ,meaning communication between them occured ,separated by dimensions.


His dialogue with Ichigo could simply be referencing the fact that ichigo could barely use this 'new power' of his. Especially when he later say "Don't dissapoint me, you should be stronger than that." To me, this is a clear indication that he felt the power he displayed against Ulquiorra during his Full Hollow moment and is dissapointed Ichigo didn't master it.

SS Aizen's feats are irrelevant to this. FKT Aizen can do it and TYBW can also do this. You can argue it's the Hogyoku that made him able to do that.
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Before seeing your message today, I found a few things that contradict Aizen's claim of having extradimensional perception:

1) If Aizen can gather extradimensional information, why is AA's role information delivery? If he already sees and knows everything that's happening, AA's role, as explained to us by Ulquiorra, would be irrelevant.

2) If Aizen has extradimensional perception, why does he send Ulquiorra to WoTL to gather information? If he could already see what was happening, he wouldn't need to do that. Especially since he saw the events thanks to Ulquiorra's eye technique... He even learns why Ulquiorra didn't kill Ichigo, Urahara, and Yoruichi through Ulquiorra's explanation. Okay, I know you weren't the one claiming he could read minds, but this refutes both his mind-reading ability and extradimensional perception.

3) If Aizen could see beyond dimensions, he would also have learned Urahara's plans.

And all of these contradictions I've pointed out occur while Aizen possesses the Hogyoku. In other words, even beyond the contradictions, there's no explicit statement that he obtained this hax through the Hogyoku. To attribute such a significant hax to a character, there would need to be a direct statement. For example, Ichibei could be said to possess such a hax because he was able to interfere in Ichigo's conversation with Zangetsu.

If we assume he might have obtained this hax through the Hogyoku, then since the Hogyoku created Wonderweiss, we could relate his ability to summon Wonderweiss from the HM to this.

As for Caja Negation, this was already something used to punish the Arrancar. So Aizen might be able to see inside a dimension belonging to himself and his army.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Before seeing your message today, I found a few things that contradict Aizen's claim of having extradimensional perception:

1) If Aizen can gather extradimensional information, why is AA's role information delivery? If he already sees and knows everything that's happening, AA's role, as explained to us by Ulquiorra, would be irrelevant.

2) If Aizen has extradimensional perception, why does he send Ulquiorra to WoTL to gather information? If he could already see what was happening, he wouldn't need to do that. Especially since he saw the events thanks to Ulquiorra's eye technique... He even learns why Ulquiorra didn't kill Ichigo, Urahara, and Yoruichi through Ulquiorra's explanation. Okay, I know you weren't the one claiming he could read minds, but this refutes both his mind-reading ability and extradimensional perception.

3) If Aizen could see beyond dimensions, he would also have learned Urahara's plans.

And all of these contradictions I've pointed out occur while Aizen possesses the Hogyoku. In other words, even beyond the contradictions, there's no explicit statement that he obtained this hax through the Hogyoku. To attribute such a significant hax to a character, there would need to be a direct statement. For example, Ichibei could be said to possess such a hax because he was able to interfere in Ichigo's conversation with Zangetsu.

If we assume he might have obtained this hax through the Hogyoku, then since the Hogyoku created Wonderweiss, we could relate his ability to summon Wonderweiss from the HM to this.

As for Caja Negation, this was already something used to punish the Arrancar. So Aizen might be able to see inside a dimension belonging to himself and his army.
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Again, irrelevant. FKT Aizen have on panel feats of sensing and communicating with other beings through dimensions as i proved in my previous messages with scans to back it up. Any anti feat from before this could be explained by the fact he didn't shove the hogyoku inside him yet. This is supported by the fact that TYBW Aizen can clearly do the same so it's consistent : Aizen pre hogyoku (SS and HM) have some anti feats. Aizen post hogyoku (FKT and TYBW) have the feats and no anti feats.

Not to mention, your arguments are shaky at best even without my hogyoku theory. Even if Aizen could do everything by himself that doesn't mean he would want to. He could perfectly have kidnapped Orihime by himself, why did he sent arrancars ? He could have gone down to the WOL to test ichigo himself ,why sent Ulquiorra and Yammy ? Etc ,etc. He delegate duties and responsabilities to his arrancars : So he can focus on other stuff in the meantime (Like do some competitive Aura Farming.) as well as test their usefullness and abilities (Remember that the espada have been one of his projects for a while now ,he want to test them in real situations). That's a very basic concept to understand.

We also have been shown multiple time that sensing reiatsu with precision can require focus. Aizen can not afford to constantly monitor everything by himself so he delegate.

You would need to prove that Caja Negation allow him to do that specifically. I have feats on panel that FKT Aizen and beyond can sense stuff and communicate through dimensions. And guess wich version of Aizen had NOTHING to do but sense things around while sitting his ass in Yama's flame prison ? Yup ,FKT Aizen ,wich have feats on panel. Meaning that he sensed Ichigo and Ulquiorra's fight and thus their reiatsu.

In any case, i'm done arguing this point. I presented my view and evidences, beleive what you want to beleive.
 
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Naeblis495 said:
Again, irrelevant. FKT Aizen have on panel feats of sensing and communicating with other beings through dimensions as i proved in my previous messages with scans to back it up. Any anti feat from before this could be explained by the fact he didn't shove the hogyoku inside him yet. This is supported by the fact that TYBW Aizen can clearly do the same so it's consistent : Aizen pre hogyoku (SS and HM) have some anti feats. Aizen post hogyoku (FKT and TYBW) have the feats and no anti feats.

Not to mention, your arguments are shaky at best even without my hogyoku theory. Even if Aizen could do everything by himself that doesn't mean he would want to. He could perfectly have kidnapped Orihime by himself, why did he sent arrancars ? He could have gone down to the WOL to test ichigo himself ,why sent Ulquiorra and Yammy ? Etc ,etc. He delegate duties and responsabilities to his arrancars : So he can focus on other stuff in the meantime (Like do some competitive Aura Farming.) as well as test their usefullness and abilities (Remember that the espada have been one of his projects for a while now ,he want to test them in real situations). That's a very basic concept to understand.

We also have been shown multiple time that sensing reiatsu with precision can require focus. Aizen can not afford to constantly monitor everything by himself so he delegate.

You would need to prove that Caja Negation allow him to do that specifically. I have feats on panel that FKT Aizen and beyond can sense stuff and communicate through dimensions. And guess wich version of Aizen had NOTHING to do but sense things around while sitting his ass in Yama's flame prison ? Yup ,FKT Aizen ,wich have feats on panel. Meaning that he sensed Ichigo and Ulquiorra's fight and thus their reiatsu.

In any case, i'm done arguing this point. I presented my view and evidences, beleive what you want to beleive.
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The way I see it, (and this might be totally off point) I see people arguing against Aizen having feats of communicating with beings in other dimensions solely based off him wondering how Ichigo got a new power. When people forget it doesn’t matter if he everyone’s strength beforehand. Ichigo’s an anomaly to him. So of course if he sees the only person he determines to be strong enough to be his equal he’s gonna be pleasantly surprised when Ichigo unlocks more power

His standard is set at the height at which he knows, if Ichigo surpasses that, then that’s all the more reason for Aizen to be happy because it’s one step closer to fighting someone who could be an equal to him
 
Def not against Jugram's Causality Manip or anything Super abstract like that. Lol

Schrifts are inscribed on one's very soul though

For stuff like NaNaNa's Info Analysis, Liltotto's Power Mimicry, Askin's manipulation of a body's tolerance of a Lethal Dose, etc.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Def not against Jugram's Causality Manip or anything Super abstract like that. Lol

Schrifts are inscribed on one's very soul though

For stuff like NaNaNa's Info Analysis, Liltotto's Power Mimicry, Askin's manipulation of a body's tolerance of a Lethal Dose, etc.
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TBF they are each of them their respectively haxes, everyone in Bleach has already resistance to soul manipulation.
They are inscribed in each one very soul, because that's were powers originate.
 
FARLANDER3305 said:
Hello Everyone New member here 🖐🏻
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Welcome!
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As soon as the anime drops, i'll probably make a few major CRTs, including primary canon, and i'll nuke the previous EE removal thread that was accepted
 
No need to discuss over regeneration in Bleach. In the end, it is all bit subjective and depends on how strict your standards are.

We should be excited for July, since we will see the last cour. After that, we might get a lot of new things, such as the new manga arc.

CasperSenar said:
So what are your thoughts on the matchup?
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Seems a cool matchup by the profile, but I don't know the other guy, so I usually don't comment on those
 
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Bleach: Misc Fixes

This is a bunch of random Bleach stuff. I'll be going through what I consider least controversial to most controversial. Edit: Everything that has been crossed out is already accepted and applied. Chad This is his current Arrancar Arc AP justification (and there's something similar for SS)...
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Misc Fixes is up
@Ralp0054 About the Mimihagi thing, I just updated their profile with the explanation that we forgot him and I linked the thread.
 
Hellscream said:
As soon as the anime drops, i'll probably make a few major CRTs, including primary canon, and i'll nuke the previous EE removal thread that was accepted
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Go BIG or Go Home!



Episode 1 Yoruichi, rest of episode alternate timelines Ichigo all fighting Soul King Yhwach and dying at the end with the WHOLE cosmology only to be reset to Yhwach waking up when he sees the final nightmare of Zangetsu.

Aka Kyoka Suigetsu manipulating Almighty at multiversal scale! 😎
 
AppleLord said:
Go BIG or Go Home!



Episode 1 Yoruichi, rest of episode alternate timelines Ichigo all fighting Soul King Yhwach and dying at the end with the WHOLE cosmology only to be reset to Yhwach waking up when he sees the final nightmare of Zangetsu.

Aka Kyoka Suigetsu manipulating Almighty at multiversal scale! 😎
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Dont give me hope
 
Well is anime only bleach possible kinda like other series anime only? How high it would scale if it's allowed?
 
"complete dominion over" is not proof of transcendence

Also, infinite dimensions in this context is referring to an infinite amount of pocket dimensions so max you could scale this to would be 5D
 
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