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Just remove soul manip big bro. Probably leave a note that the effects of corruption are at random, depends on the person, etc.
don’t want people thinking getting corrupted automatically turns you into this shit
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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread
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don’t want people thinking getting corrupted automatically turns you into this shit
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fair enough lol. everything else looks good as far as abilities go though?Just remove soul manip big bro. Probably leave a note that the effects of corruption are at random, depends on the person, etc.
don’t want people thinking getting corrupted automatically turns you into this shit
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Fair enough for me.
MaskedDragon908
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Masked wonders if you should split Ether abilites into stages, like "Common Afflictions" and "Terminal Afflictions"
All characters suffer from common ones, like Pain and Limited Transmutation
But it's only at critical stages that they become Ethereals
Of course, how fast you progress through these stages depends on your Ether Aptitude
Concentrated Ether can probably be a kind of Poison Manipulation, since various characters like Lucius and The Exaltists have made injections like the Sacrifice Serum to significantly accelerate, if not instantly inflict Ether Corruption.
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Me after do the Clanker (Aria) (my bones are now turned Into an atom)Just remove soul manip big bro. Probably leave a note that the effects of corruption are at random, depends on the person, etc.
don’t want people thinking getting corrupted automatically turns you into this shit
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that's a pretty interesting way to go about it. i guess "common afflictions" would be for the abilities that reflect the earlier stages of corruption and "terminal afflictions" would be for the later stages. maybe something like :
common afflictions :
dream manipulation/memory manipulation
empathetic/mind manipulation
fear manipulation
pain manipulation
perception manipulation
status effect inducement
technology manipulation
terminal afflictions :
biological manipulation/transmutation/corruption
corrosion inducement
crystal manipulation
madness manipulation
disease/poison manipulation
although i kinda feel like some of these abilities could fall into both camps. like for example, i think the fear caused by ether corruption is something that can only intensify as someone goes deeper into the corruption stages, same thing with the pain. i guess maybe you could have those abilities in both sections and just tack a "greater" in front of them or something? idk
there's also a few more wild card abilities that i'm not really sure fit into either category per say (dura/resistance neg, energy projection, sleep manip)
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Just remove dura neg that’s game mechanics 
I beg of you
I beg of you
MaskedDragon908
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That's true.
Masked agrees, although they aren't certain if the standard is "Greater" or "Enhanced" Fear Manipulation.
Masked isn't sure about the ones that don't fall into either category, either. Perhaps a "Basic Abilities"?
Ether would probably have Durability Negation due to organ damage, Transmutation, Corrosion Inducement, etc.Just remove dura neg that’s game mechanics
Masked doesn't remember if the forcible loss of HP is explained anywhere.
They were in a bit of a rush at that stage of the game.
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i mean like masked said ether corruption directly damages internal organs so i think it qualifies for that even ignoring the game mechanics side of things. dura neg's page on the site also qualifies both energy manipulation and matter manipulation as possible ways to dura neg which are both things ether corruption can do. the in-game stuff is just more supplementary material supporting the fact that ether corruption can harm you regardless of how physically durable you are imoJust remove dura neg that’s game mechanics
MaskedDragon908
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Currently only in Joint Investigation: Breaking Thunder.
It's called lightning, and it has the properties of lightning.
Otherwise, there's only Ether Surges.
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there's also the lightning attacks from both bringer and thracian which seem to also use natural lightning
MaskedDragon908
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Sorry, fresh out of MHS+ Miyabi.
May Masked offer you a MHS+ attack speed with Attack Reflection for Yanagi instead?
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Only if Harumasa gets that rating somehow too
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Nope, I’m prepared to fight all that.
ItzLivyx
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Why would you do that
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I don’t like the feat.
Not because I don’t want the characters to be fast, but because the feat is genuinely scuffed. I don’t like slop
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Masked thought if it was attack reflection, it would be fine.
Redirecting the lightning is legitimate, even if we can't scale it to reaction speed.
Masked does agree that the feat itself is scuffed.
To be honest, Masked isn't certain about how we would index it.
It would only be applicable during storms, which would require a certain battlefield or an enemy with Weather Manipulation.
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I mean sure, but I don’t think that needs to be indexed in speed. Noting she can redirect lightning in her abilities would fit in more imo
Some people do believe it should scale to reaction and combat speed, that’s why I’m against it.
Indexing under abilities would be fine. It’s a pretty good ability, being able to redirect electricity, regardless of the speed of the attack, is pretty strong considering it’s a common ability.
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i still think the lightning redirection stuff is fine tbh but i'm not gonna go out of my way to fight for it (especially given most threads on here equalize speed anyways so a speed buff for the verse wouldn't matter thaaaaat much imo.) i can compromise with indexing it as attack reflection though
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why dont you index it as just reaction speed then if possible
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biggestopp and masked seem to be against the idea of it scaling to speed at all in general. like i said i think the feat is fine but we've already had a discussion on it before and i don't wanna go adding it to pages if there are people who actively disagree on the feat itself
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Thank you for your hard work.
Masked enjoys the small changes in formatting.
If you could remove the statistics values for the supporting feats, it would be appreciated.
They are already listed on the main ZZZ page, and are generally confusing.
On that note, could you add a Statistics Value for her travel speed?
For Accelerated Development, Miyabi probably qualifies for Training and Other, considering her feats.
She can grow stronger simply from communing with Tailless and gaining greater control over it.
However, Masked is unsure if that would be buffing her Physical Statistics or her Abilities.
For Acrobatics, Miyabi probably qualifies for All Types, considering her performance when chasing Nineveh.
Masked is kind of surprised this isn't really showcased as much in her gameplay, although, to be fair, Masked doesn't have much experience playing her.
BiggestOpp also mentioned that, when untamed, Tailless does emit Ether Corruption that affects Phaethon when they try to re-seal it.
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Just finished applying these suggestions + some small changes of mine, which are: scans of Miyabi's mindscapes (why I didn't include them sooner? I don't know myself.) and the Banyue upscale now being at the beginning of her AP section, as I feel it makes more sense, to put it someway.
That aside, thank you for the feedback. If no one else suggests any other changes, I might start reworking either Yixuan's profile, or Ye Shunguang's.
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IMO, I think she should have Up to Far Higher with Full Power (The charged attack on Nineveh, the final attack on Bringer and Vs Yixuan with full size Qingming Bird) similar to how other pages elsewhere can have Higher ratings beyond their usual normal AP via moves, which I feel would make sense to have on Miyabi given her visibly more intense moves appear more powerful than say when she was fighting seriously with Yixuan before their final clash.
Same with Yixuan (Far Higher with Full Size & Gold Qingming Bird), given we see her with the usual combat size Qingming Bird and Miyabi fight seriously but then uses the full size Qingming bird for their final clash.
ItzLivyx
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If the others are fine with this then sure, I can add it.
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Masked is unsure. Nineveh was completely undamaged by her attack, so it would be weird to use it for justification.
She does use charged attacks in gameplay, which could be used for support.
Her attack against Bringer is good justification, as well.
Void Hunter Weapons in general provide an amp, like with Ye Shunguang.
Masked would prefer "higher with Tailless", since she is "charging" only to unleash its power.
There's honestly nothing to support a "higher" tier for Yixuan Shifu.
She does have stronger attacks, but outside of vibes there's nothing to concretely scale her higher.
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I think if we give higher with Tailless for Miyabi than Yixuan should have one for the higher stages of the Qingming Bird given, correct me if I’m wrong about this, it appears to empower her.
Like creating the Full Size Qingming to clash with all out Miyabi or the Gold Qingming Bird completely breaking through the miasma from the Miasma Priest, which she struggling to block, and completely overpowering Exaltist Overseer.
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Masked won't deny that it's possible, but it can also simply be interpreted as her unleashing more of her power, rather than an amp
This is supported by her Agent Details:
It's a technique she uses, not a separate source of power
So it doesn't really make sense for it to empower her, like the Void Hunter Weapons empower Miyabi and Ye Shunguang
We would need a statement that her techniques grant her more strength
Yixuan Shifu says that the Qingming Bird is somewhat alive in her Quality Time, but Masked does not have her as an Agent
So they can't verify this information
Edit: Masked will also note that Yixuan struggled against Miasma Priest because she was distracted by her grief. She overpowered Miasma Priest after making peace with the loss of her sister.
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I wouldn’t say “charged” as in there’s some mechanism that allows it to grow in strength outside of her just adding more power into it (take KHH from DBZ for example, charging it up actually increases it power via compression and can vastly exceed the user’s strength).
