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can a physical object qualify for CM type 1?

Thermor said:
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Essence (DOOM)

The Essence section is made by Gewsbumpz dude, link to his blog and the original. The Argent Energy, Sentinel Energy and Hell Essence sections were made by ShionAH and SpicyPlatinum. To give a simple explanation on what Essence is, it is essentially a fundamental force for living beings in DOOM...
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well this is almost certainly not CM
 
SuperNova55555 said:
I’m not even sure how you’d do this. Recently starting to learn theres way too much wank going on
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“I also want to clarify that your understanding isn’t wrong. It has a lot of truth to it, and actively messing with the conceptual energy within each arrow isn’t a feasible method of fighting. In most cases, having a faster arrow does also mean it will do more damage, just be aware that this isn’t due to some law of physics. It happens because that’s what you believe should happen, and the energy you put into the arrow reflects that. The same is true in all other aspects of battle. What I’m talking about right now is a gross oversimplification of the effect of concepts, but nothing I said is definitively wrong, and it should be enough for now.”

“Got it,” Jake nodded as he considered everything they’d talked about. Concepts were something Jake still had a difficult time fully understanding, even if he knew they were pretty much the bread and butter that made everything work.

Swords relied on the concept of sharpness to cut things, armor on the concept of durability and resilience to block attacks, and hammers on the concept of... smashing stuff to smash stuff. What Jake still struggled with was the entire concept of better understanding a concept to make it stronger.

The Sword Saint was the complete opposite of Jake in this aspect. He had spoken a lot to the old man about concepts, and one of the things he’d learned was that no one could truly explain why something was. The old man could tell Jake that he “deepened his understanding” of the concept of sharpness, but he couldn’t properly put into words what exactly he understood.

No matter what, the effects couldn’t be denied. From Jake’s understanding of things, concepts were one of the fundamental sources of power in the system, alongside stats and energy. When one made an attack, the three most important parts were how many stats one had that affected the skill, how much energy one had poured into it, and how deep conceptual understanding one had of what went into the attack.
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one I can think of
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
i know some verses that directly use conceptual energies or them being derivative energy from concepts but still having conceptual powers/properties
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BestMGQScalerEver said:
one I can think of
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That’s pretty much js using the concept itself, no…? At least, it’d be a pretty idiosyncratic meaning of “energy”.

A lot of verses wouldn’t posit it like this, I reckon.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
That’s pretty much js using the concept itself, no…? At least, it’d be a pretty idiosyncratic meaning of “energy”.

A lot of verses wouldn’t posit it like this, I reckon.
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If its like a verse with just a generic energy system and a person here just asserts it as conceptual due to one after another shoddy reason then I'd be sus of that.
 
Your example doesn’t rlly seem to posit the energy as some particular, but really js an analogical measure about how much you’re utilizing a certain concept.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
That’s pretty much js using the concept itself, no…? At least, it’d be a pretty idiosyncratic meaning of “energy”.

A lot of verses wouldn’t posit it like this, I reckon.
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what about this.
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SuperNova55555 said:
Your example doesn’t rlly seem to posit the energy as some particular, but really js an analogical measure about how much you’re utilizing a certain concept.
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theres another verse that treats stuff like mana as conceptual discharge from a concept but I guess that's also not quite the same
What is Ascension, some of you new guys ask? Well, that’s a measurement of how elevated you are from baseline material reality, and how close you are to becoming a literal platonic embodiment of a certain Classified or Systemic ideal.


You can think of a System as a frame built around an existing
reality, replicating the existing structure to create new conceptual laws to use as pillars. It's why attributes, or Aspects, work the way they do. It’s also why there are so many different attributes across various System-governed worlds, it's why gunpowder and electricity don’t work right in some, gravity is looser in others—it’s why magic exists, basically. The Essence? Mana? Whatever you call it? That’s just conceptual discharge. A membrane is formed to protect the stable structure of unaltered dimensions from Systemic dimensions.
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Energies tied to specific elements or concepts in existence. Spawned from Concept Cores, the base component of every System.
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Thermor said:
I'm pretty sure they do, its not like the cm is unspecified like Davoth's essences.
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lol minus energy was literally "bottled up" inside the physical Dragon Balls. A universal cannot be stored in a glass-like sphere. Only a particular substance can be held in a spatiotemporal location like that. So i was right about most cm 1 energy behaving as particulars 🥀
 
Robo432343 said:
lol minus energy was literally "bottled up" inside the physical Dragon Balls. A universal cannot be stored in a glass-like sphere. Only a particular substance can be held in a spatiotemporal location like that. So i was right about most cm 1 energy behaving as particulars 🥀
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Isn't that like GoW's CM as well? Like the concept of fear being trapped inside the pandora box.
 
Thermor said:
Isn't that like GoW's CM as well? Like the concept of fear being trapped inside the pandora box.
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You can have a concept be some particular object (like something embodying it) as long as it’s nature isn’t used for anything else aside from being the “ground” of what it represents.

The issue here is that “energy” is not the ground of anything, and it actively changes form, is used up and converted into other stuff, which isn’t the same thing.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
You can have a concept be some particular object (like something embodying it) as long as it’s nature isn’t used for anything else aside from being the “ground” of what it represents.

The issue here is that “energy” is not the ground of anything, and it actively changes form, is used up and converted into other stuff, which isn’t the same thing.
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Is there an example for this?
 
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