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William Afton vs D E A T H R O L L (0-0-1)

Leaning with the extinct crocodile.
1. He is a BEEG BOI (about as tall as a man)
2. Higher LS in which Afton has legit no answer to since Afton is a CQC fighter.

The main thing that Afton has going for him is his immo via agony but he will be just straight up put out of commission if the ded croc puts his hands (or jaws) on Afton.
 
I mean, as a ruler but not a rule, Grappling enables the user to manipulate the momentum of the opponent. If Afton gets himself in the jaws of the croc, it's all ogre.

I know I've read a couple of FNAF matches to know the impacts of Agony, but for now I don't want to put myself in agony misinterpreting.

Will follow this thread.
 
I also realized two things.

Subjective Reality/Illusion Creation + remnant immortality gives Afton rather an edge over the croc in both close quarters and stealth. As both scenarios rely on perception of the enemy. I'll need to read the remnant page later but I can most definitely say Afton's illusions and fantasy-reality boundary manipulation will help him in any case

The distance (literally nearly 7 m or 24 ft away) raises the possiblility of stealth utility if either side decides to retreat from view first.
 
I also realized two things.

Subjective Reality/Illusion Creation + remnant immortality gives Afton rather an edge over the croc in both close quarters and stealth. As both scenarios rely on perception of the enemy. I'll need to read the remnant page later but I can most definitely say Afton's illusions and fantasy-reality boundary manipulation will help him in any case
Yeah if he decides to do any tactics whatsoever, he's got the advantage there, but FF can be weird with tactics.
The distance (literally nearly 7 m or 24 ft away) raises the possiblility of stealth utility if either side decides to retreat from view first.
yeah especially at dawn, and near a lake. A little small for the natural habitat of the Deinosuchus, but still.
 
Ok. Read both profiles already. Judging by the read of both opponents, they generally try to opne up with stealth if possible. And that's pretty much what is going to happen 80% of the time.

In 20% of possibilities where this match becomes melee, it really depends on if both opponents are on mostly land or water. Even with equal combat speed and reactions, mobility can help a long way (it gives you more options to dodge and attack for the croc)

Afton feat and LS wise in stealth is absolutely cooked; the croc has absolute experience tearing up and staggering dinosaurs larger than itself. A crocodile is far different than a human so his manipulation and serial killer exp doesn't transfer here. Sure he has inhuman immortality and abilities but weather he'd use his Agony hax plausibly is a completely different horse.

Before I vote, let me get this straight. Afton is going to try and melee rush a crocodile in the water? I mean that could work as a viable wincon but the Deino is more bulkier and can have more LS momentum to throw Afton off of him in the water.
 
God bless Fazbear Frights William matchups. Following.

Two things, i'm going to assume that the usual weakness of William's never ending need to inflict pain isn't going to be as big of a problem here, as obviously it's an animal and probably won't get as much of a kick out of torturing an animal than he would a person, considering how he acts in What We Found toward Hudson where he loved to push Hudson into crying, pissing himself, and stuff like that which obviously he wouldn't get the same kick out of a extinct crocodile.

And, stealth and sneak attacking is Springtrap's starting moves. He doesn't start with crazy illusions to start with, but he does resort to them very quickly.
Hudson went back in the arcade and started rapping his nightstick more loudly on the games. He was determined to drown out the impossible singing.

Before Hudson could rap on the third game in the line, though, he got another surprise. This one was not as benign.

Suddenly, Hudson’s nightstick was ripped from his grasp and thrown across the room. It hit the wall with a thwack at the same time Hudson’s head slammed down ... onto the scarred wooden desk under the window in his bedroom.

“Why isn’t your homework done?” Lewis bellowed.

The impact was powerful, and the corner of the desk that contacted with Hudson’s temple was sharp. So he was hit with the double whammy of searing pain and a blinding stream of blood flowing down into his eyes. Stumbling back, Hudson swiped at the blood, trying to clear his vision so he could see Lewis enough to know what the man was going to do next. Lewis had been hitting Hudson for years, but this was the first time Lewis had slammed his head into something.

As Hudson wiped his eyes, he rotated, staggering. But he didn’t see anyone. Where was Lewis? He was gone.
 
Ok. Read both profiles already. Judging by the read of both opponents, they generally try to opne up with stealth if possible. And that's pretty much what is going to happen 80% of the time.

Afton feat and LS wise in stealth is absolutely cooked; the croc has absolute experience tearing up and staggering dinosaurs larger than itself. A crocodile is far different than a human so his manipulation and serial killer exp doesn't transfer here. Sure he has inhuman immortality and abilities but weather he'd use his Agony hax plausibly is a completely different horse.

Before I vote, let me get this straight. Afton is going to try and melee rush a crocodile in the water? I mean that could work as a viable wincon but the Deino is more bulkier and can have more LS momentum to throw Afton off of him in the water.
He honestly probably wouldn't rush a big croc that's in the water. He's bloodthirsty not stupid
God bless Fazbear Frights William matchups. Following.

Two things, i'm going to assume that the usual weakness of William's never ending need to inflict pain isn't going to be as big of a problem here, as obviously it's an animal and probably won't get as much of a kick out of torturing an animal than he would a person, considering how he acts in What We Found toward Hudson where he loved to push Hudson into crying, pissing himself, and stuff like that which obviously he wouldn't get the same kick out of a extinct crocodile.
He also has a live chicken in his hands to start with though!
 
He honestly probably wouldn't rush a big croc that's in the water. He's bloodthirsty not stupid
This key he does actually typically let people come towards him if he's letting himself in a person's sight, letting the Illusions misdirect them instead.
He also has a live chicken in his hands to start with though!
Fuuuck man i don't knowwwww...
 
This isn't a person it's a big crocodile with jaws like this, I mean rushing the croc after it's already in the water though.
Yeah a lot of William's typically In character actions rely on the fact he's fighting a human, so he's sort of out of his depth here. I don't think it's crazy to assume he wouldn't bombrush a crocodile who's absurdly bigger than him though.
 
Yeah a lot of William's typically In character actions rely on the fact he's fighting a human, so he's sort of out of his depth here. I don't think it's crazy to assume he wouldn't bombrush a crocodile who's absurdly bigger than him though.
**** it we've never seen him in character holding a chicken though so maybe he would because of it....
 
Yeah a lot of William's typically In character actions rely on the fact he's fighting a human, so he's sort of out of his depth here. I don't think it's crazy to assume he wouldn't bombrush a crocodile who's absurdly bigger than him though.
Yeah it's not absurd to assume some standard common sense here like "Don't rush at a Croc head-on dumbass, that's where the teeth are."

Some things aren't common sense like "Don't be behind a croc either those tails are all muscle and hurt like a *****"
 
Some things aren't common sense like "Don't be behind a croc either those tails are all muscle and hurt like a *****"
I doubt William is going to stick around near the croc at all if he goes into attack at all honestly. In basically every page he attacks or generally torments Hudson, William instantly retreats into vents or into an unknown area of the horror attraction.

He craned his neck to look all over the lobby. He saw nothing out of place.

No. Wait. Something was out of place.

On the wall above him, a large vent cover was hanging by one screw. The cover was swinging slowly, the dark passage it had concealed now wide open to anyone or anything.

Could the animatronic have thrown him and then retreated into the vent?
Sure enough. There was the source of the laughter. The yellow-green rabbit’s head was hanging out through the opening of the big vent high on the wall.

Its mouth was open, and it was laughing its head off.

Hudson roared and threw his hammer at the tooth-filled head.

The head disappeared back into the vent.
 
I love the idea of Afton trying some stealth illusion shit to get behind the croc and try to jump it only for it to absolutely clobber him into a pile of scrap metal on accident as it turns around to get in the water upon thinking he just left.
 
I doubt William is going to stick around near the croc at all if he goes into attack at all honestly. In basically every page he attacks or generally torments Hudson, William instantly retreats into vents or into an unknown area of the horror attraction.

He craned his neck to look all over the lobby. He saw nothing out of place.

No. Wait. Something was out of place.

On the wall above him, a large vent cover was hanging by one screw. The cover was swinging slowly, the dark passage it had concealed now wide open to anyone or anything.

Could the animatronic have thrown him and then retreated into the vent?
Sure enough. There was the source of the laughter. The yellow-green rabbit’s head was hanging out through the opening of the big vent high on the wall.

Its mouth was open, and it was laughing its head off.

Hudson roared and threw his hammer at the tooth-filled head.

The head disappeared back into the vent.
He has to attack eventually, even if the Deinosuchus goes for it's prey, Crocs are deceptively fast as **** and anywhere in a like 200° radius of the head is danger zone
 
He has to attack eventually, even if the Deinosuchus goes for it's prey, Crocs are deceptively fast as **** and anywhere in a like 200° radius of the head is danger zone
The croc isn't gonna know that though. All of it's senses that could be used to tell where William is will be completely ******. It can make it smell things that aren't there and make it hear William inside it's head or in places he simply isn't. He can definitely get cheap shots in with literally no danger to himself, especially if he just waits for the croc to tire itself out from seeing things that aren't there like shadows attacking the crocodile.

This is under the assumption that William doesn't believe he's stronger than a prehistoric crocodile and tries to grapple. Which i feel like is a fair assumption.
 
I'm gonna be real here, William is at a noticeable stats disadvantage and has the unfortunate target of a croc that's several fold his size. I don't think people realize how much pain and injuries these bastards can just walk off as if it didn't happen, like the time one got its leg death rolled off by another croc live on camera only to basically react with an owwy and walk off.
 
The croc isn't gonna know that though. All of it's senses that could be used to tell where William is will be completely ******. It can make it smell things that aren't there and make it hear William inside it's head or in places he simply isn't. He can definitely get cheap shots in with literally no danger to himself, especially if he just waits for the croc to tire itself out from seeing things that aren't there like shadows attacking the crocodile.
And if he comes from behind he gets slammed. Because shadows eventually are going to be adapted to.
This is under the assumption that William doesn't believe he's stronger than a prehistoric crocodile and tries to grapple. Which i feel like is a fair assumption.
Honestly I don't think he's gonna try to grapple something that big. Like, him hugging the mouth wouldn't even get him anywhere if he had the LS advantage. It's just too big to LS.
 
I'm gonna be real here, William is at a noticeable stats disadvantage and has the unfortunate target of a croc that's several fold his size. I don't think people realize how much pain and injuries these bastards can just walk off as if it didn't happen, like the time one got its leg death rolled off by another croc live on camera only to basically react with an owwy and walk off.
Which caveman recorded this one?
Honestly I don't think he's gonna try to grapple something that big. Like, him hugging the mouth wouldn't even get him anywhere if he had the LS advantage. It's just too big to LS.
If he did have an LS advantage he could theoretically stop that tail from moving, but I doubt he'd try that in character regardless. He really just likes to tire his opponent out until they're too mentally and physically drained so he can safely kill them. If William couldn't survive complete physical body destruction i would vote for the croc, but unfortunate FF William is the only mf in the series who puts use to 99% of the Remnant page, including spirit abilities.

Edit: Unless we assume William doesn't have a strong enough mind to possess a prehistoric crocodile, which honestly i feel is a somewhat debatable topic.
 
Which caveman recorded this one?
The Deinosuchus is basically just a really big Saltwater Crocodile, so yeh.
If he did have an LS advantage he could theoretically stop that tail from moving, but I doubt he'd try that in character regardless. He really just likes to tire his opponent out until they're too mentally and physically drained so he can safely kill them. If William couldn't survive complete physical body destruction i would vote for the croc, but unfortunate FF William is the only mf in the series who puts use to 99% of the Remnant page, including spirit abilities.
Yeah but if he's Deathroll'd into just not having any limbs he can't really fight anymore lol

Plus, a good chunk of that page is kinda useless on a Deinosuchus. Like, the possession requires it to already be dead, William gets nothing from Telepathy, NPI, or Tech Manipulation, and outside of what Afton himself actually uses beyond that, the rest of the page is dead weight. He can't exactly possess a living animal to our knowledge.
 
Like, the possession requires it to already be dead,
It does actually work on living people, Andrew notoriously is possessing William (with William having a strong enough mind to fight off the possession, and settles with constant nightmares in his head) throughout the entire The Man in Room 1280 story, which while he looks fking terrible and the priest makes question of if he is alive, William is unfortunately alive.
 
I love the idea of Afton trying some stealth illusion shit to get behind the croc and try to jump it only for it to absolutely clobber him into a pile of scrap metal on accident as it turns around to get in the water upon thinking he just left.
I mean, even if you don't say he's going to melee immediately, the framing for his stealth implies after sneaking up up close enough, he'll try to rush and melee a target to death. Also, if Afton knows he can't get the croc from the water, he could always use his fantasy-reality boundary manipulation to attach the crocodile with his illusions.
 
It does actually work on living people, Andrew notoriously is possessing William (with William having a strong enough mind to fight off the possession, and settles with constant nightmares in his head) throughout the entire The Man in Room 1280 story, which while he looks fking terrible and the priest makes question of if he is alive, William is unfortunately alive.
Yeah but that requires William to leave his body and he famously also doesn't like to do that if he can help it.
 
So the question is "would willian use tire the crocodile to death before trying to rush a atack"?
Kinda hard to say because he's only ever done exactly that against a human, and this all hinges on the idea he can properly tell when a crocodile is too tired to fight back.
 
quite important: William is definetely not a gentle figure, and holding a chicken requires that if you don't want it to protest or beak you (which despite not 100% hurting william, would distract him even for a second, which is too much against croc... So is William holding that chicken calmly or is this chicken protesting while forcibly in his hands?
this also makes quite harder to stealth ig
 
Willian can always just trow the chicken at the crocodile to get rid of It

Anyway, Willian isn't dumb and he isn't taking a joy of this fight so he probable would be smart enough to know that trying to braw with the crocodile will torn him to shreeds

he can use telephaty to know if the crocodile is tired or not I guess?
 
I think willian is smart enough to keep his distance untill the crocodile tires It self out to be a easy kill, Willian FRA
 
the question is if he knows the difference between "exhausted" and "resting for a legit painful hit to snap back"
 
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