Review of Instant Death Part 2

[sukuna171]

Why did you try to use the Infinite Corridor as proof? In fact, your own citation already proves that this is merely a impression, not reality.

By the way, in the same volume as your first citation, I found something interesting: relying on the energy of this world to function cannot accomplish the Infinitely related things. Would you say this world is the Celestial Foundation?

The Omega Blade can’t create anything infinite; Alice and Another Kingdom are entirely separate.

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

Qawsedf234 is an expert in these matters; request him to come here so we can hear his opinion on this issue.

Spoiler: Response to Sweet Dao’s argument regarding parallel worlds.

This is Sweet Dao’s biggest piece of evidence to deny that parallel universes operate within a single Celestial Foundation. However, it is an invalid argument because it comes from the Demon King novel. As he mentioned himself, this is the strongest evidence he has cited


This is irrelevant. What does Mitsuki being an exception have to do with refuting that the Heavenly Foundation contains parallel worlds within it? From what I’ve read and understand, Sweet Dao at that time misunderstood the meaning of exceptions.

As everyone can see, exceptions are simply a special trait possessed by a small group of individuals, and nothing distinguishes them except that these individuals have a trait that applies across all worlds. That is, they possess a trait that affects any world in the Final Group, like Kyuzaburo’s sword, which can destroy any world, or Mitsuki’s dream, which can influence any world—and that is all. Nothing else sets them apart.

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Here is the proof that the parallel worlds are connected to the original world from which they emerged and remain linked to it, as established in the story itself: ↓

I don’t think we’ll go so far as to lie about the story itself; I don’t think we’ll reach that point.

I think SweetTao has explained the parallel world concept clearly enough, so we can disregard Demon king's Novel.



The existence of parallel worlds doesn't refer to the CF , but rather to a new ocean.



It wouldn't make sense if CF had parallel timelines within a single one. If that were the case, we'd encounter Mitsuki and Yogiri in different forms. That's why CF doesn't have parallel timelines. Because it itself is a single world and space time continuum, and the existence of a parallel sea makes more
sense.

Okay, and what about the sea’s time dimension? This would make the sea six-dimensional.

I don't see anything like that. We already have a sea that's a 4-dimensional space from the Abyss, and a sea with time makes it 5-dimensional. Unless you find that the continuity of time in the sea and the CF is different, that might make the The Abyss is 5 dimensions, which increases the dimensional axis of the sea because I think the continuity of time is the same; only the flow is different. Therefore, the time dimension of the Abyss and the Sea of Fire is simply 1 dimension. Not more than 1.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I think SweetTao has explained the parallel world concept clearly enough, so we can disregard Demon king's Novel.



The existence of parallel worlds doesn't refer to the CF , but rather to a new ocean.



It wouldn't make sense if CF had parallel timelines within a single one. If that were the case, we'd encounter Mitsuki and Yogiri in different forms. That's why CF doesn't have parallel timelines. Because it itself is a single world and space time continuum, and the existence of a parallel sea makes more
sense.

The Heavenly Foundation is what contains the parallel worlds; it is the base—the foundation of the entire world—and it contains everything (all the different parallel worlds, timelines, and so on).

Parallel worlds differ from one another in events and have different possibilities, which explains why we do not see Mitsuki or Yogiri in different forms. The number of parallel worlds is almost infinite, each with different possibilities—so in short, the matter is clear and this explains it.

“This isn’t your Random Walk. That just sends your soul to a parallel world
with different possibilities. What happened this time is a much bigger deal. It
was like the whole world was rewound or something.”

I don't see anything like that. We already have a sea that's a 4-dimensional space from the Abyss, and a sea with time makes it 5-dimensional. Unless you find that the continuity of time in the sea and the CF is different, that might make the The Abyss is 5 dimensions, which increases the dimensional axis of the sea because I think the continuity of time is the same; only the flow is different. Therefore, the time dimension of the Abyss and the Sea of Fire is simply 1 dimension. Not more than 1.

Yes, each Heavenly Foundation has its own timeline, and the flow of time also differs between the Heavenly Institutions. The novel explicitly states that time and space are a single, inseparable unit; therefore, each Heavenly Foundation naturally has its own spacetime. The Abyss has its own time, and the Sea has its own time as well. Since the Abyss is five-dimensional, this makes the Sea six-dimensional through its temporal dimension.

 

[Qawsedf234]

@Qawsedf234 Your input on the thread will be appreciated.

What am I supposed to be looking at?

 

[Reiner04]

What am I supposed to be looking at?

I was asked to tag you to evaluate Abyss size section of the OP:

Hello everyone, this thread will be very simple, and I ask that you stick to the topic. I do not want comments that are unrelated to the subject.

Spoiler: Reiner04 statement about the Abyss.

This is @Reiner04 response to @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless ’s argument in the previous discussion about the Abyss ↓

Actually, after reading through the scans carefully, I think an Abyss being Universal size should be fine. Although the text states he can only appear where the two dimensions intersect, it seems these intersection points are continous and exist across the entire Celestial Foundation since he can travel freely between the dimensions and can go almost anywhere, it suggests that while these two planes exist parallel to each other (since it is accessible from nearly everywhere), the free movement is only possible through certain points (intersection points), which, even if are continous and exist almost everywhere, aren't present exactly at all places. They likely intersect at enough points to make free movement feasible from nearly any location but not that they intersect at every point. Something like this img:

In addition to this, being referred to as 'alternate' or 'parallel' realities is generally considered a strong indication that they are complete universes, provided the context supports it per our standards. And since the term 'dimensions' is being used here to refer to either a dimensional axis otherwise universe itself, I believe this can be used as further supporting evidence for a Universal size. The standard i am referring to:

• Being labeled as "Entire Alternate Realities" generally indicates them being called universes, but the context and semantics should preferably be specified.

Abyss has been called Alternate dimension:

 

[Cipher72]

I almost feel bad for UMR and Qawsedf234

 

[Qawsedf234]

I was asked to tag you to evaluate Abyss size section of the OP:

The only thing that has something going for it under our standards is this part

. Although the text states he can only appear where the two dimensions intersect, it seems these intersection points are continous and exist across the entire Celestial Foundation since he can travel freely between the dimensions and can go almost anywhere,

The second text does not imply what the OP is saying. It's just a further addition of this fourth dimension, not that the fourth dimension exists in a fashion that overlaps the entirety of the celestial foundation. Additionally the point about it being an alternate dimension is incorrect. Our universe page is actual pretty strict about it:

• These statements are not enough to call them universes; they may support the ideas when backed up by examples above, but none of them individually or altogether may be enough.
  • Having a starry sky may qualify as being a Multi-Solar System sized pocket reality, but not enough to be a universe without more evidence.
  • Having multiple galaxies within it should qualify as a Multi-Galaxy sized pocket reality, but not enough to be a universe without more context or evidence.
  • A realm having time that works somewhat differently is not enough to be considered a Universe as nonlinear time within a single universe exists. And the realm should still have a confirmed appropriate size to back it up.
  • The Worlds being different bodies of space is not enough to consider them universes, as that does not quite prove they have different timelines. Especially if they are afterlives. Afterlives often are different bodies of space, but are generally condensed in the same timeline unless there's more proof otherwise.
  • Being "Different Worlds, Realms, or Dimensions" requires more elaborate context and even "Dreams, Imaginations and Ideas becoming reality" is not enough to say the "Worlds" are entire universes. "Becoming Reality" often simply refers more to "Becoming a piece of reality" as opposed to each and every Dream becoming an "Entire Reality".
  • Saying that it "Mirrors your world" does not automatically equate to mirroring the entire universe you came from as World can also mean planet. And it can even refer to locations in between planet and Universe. And even if the realms are larger than planet sized, the "Your World" aspect often refers to specific sceneries rather than the entire Space-Time Continuum. And just because world frequently refers to universe doesn't mean everything larger than a planet that is called a world is a universe.

Our standards have it that you need solid evidence that the alternate world is similar in scale to another dimension. Being called a parallel world by itself is not enough without more to it.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

The only thing that has something going for it under our standards is this part

You agree on the first part, which is the most important thing, and thus the abyss achieves the required size. That is all

 

[Qawsedf234]

ou agree on the first part, which is the most important thing, and thus the abyss achieves the required size. That is all

No? The dimensions intersecting and the Abyss being tierable ssize-wiseare two different things.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

You agree on the first part, which is the most important thing, and thus the abyss achieves the required size. That is all

why does bro always take information out of nowhere

 

[Cipher72]

This is gonna sound extremely rude but I assure you that's not my intention.

That is all

I suggest that you temporally put this thread on hold. I am not talking about permanently closing it or anything but soon UMR will do his Information Manipulation CRT. Once that is concluded you can re-open this CRT. Meanwhile I want you to gather more evidence and properly update the OP because honestly this CRT for a lack of a better word is extremely lack luster and doesn't have any substance. I recommend consulting with @sukuna171 and forming proper arguments with substance behind them.
Again this is a suggestion

why does bro always take information out of nowhere

Translation issues I presume

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Translation issues I presume

where is he from?

 

[Cipher72]

where is he from?

Middle East from what I know

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Middle East from what I know

cool, eitherway am kinda lost, are we still on 6D?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

No? The dimensions intersecting and the Abyss being tierable ssize-wiseare two different things.

To explain a bit, The Abyss is defined as a world that on top of already having 3 basic spatial dimensions (length, width, and height), It also has an additional fourth spatial dimension. Anyway, it is stated that by using the alternate dimension, he, The King can appear anywhere and attack from anywhere. He can bypass any defense with no one able to do anything plus ordinary people can't perceive the dimension. This statement at first glance seems to only imply a general form of notion of its superiority. Nothing really mentioned about size of the Abyss. However, there is one interesting statement made by King before the explanation regarding the The Abyss, it was said by the King himself that he can only appear where the two dimensions (3D and 4D) overlap. This here also mention once again about the overlapping between the two dimension.

Why does this matter? The fact that The King says that he was able to appear everywhere he desired after that would have to mean that the Abyss being significant in size or at least the same size as the (main world) 3D spaces to cause such overlapping to allow for him to appear everywhere he wants which would mean that the size of The Abyss is at least Universal. In the chance people arguing that it only the basis 3 spatial dimension of The Abyss is of such size and not exactly the 4th dimension, It stated that his ability and influence over the 3D spaces are all because of the additional dimension. If the 4th axis is small, he won't be able to influence over the entire dimension as such it would mean that the higher axis must be as extensive as the other axises.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Why does this matter? The fact that The King says that he was able to appear everywhere he desired after that would have to mean that the Abyss being significant in size or at least the same size as the (main world) 3D spaces to cause such overlapping to allow for him to appear everywhere he wants which would mean that the size of The Abyss is at least Universal. In the chance people arguing that it only the basis 3 spatial dimension of The Abyss is of such size and not exactly the 4th dimension, It stated that his ability and influence over the 3D spaces are all because of the additional dimension. If the 4th axis is small, he won't be able to influence over the entire dimension as such it would mean that the higher axis must be as extensive as the other axises.

So a few things here:

• The 4th Dimension existing in any capacity would already give you influence over the other three. Being able to move even one "meter" in a 4D space would place you entirely outside of the known universe because you're only interacting with the universe when you occupy the same 4th-dimensional plane
• The scans you're giving mention that he can only use this power in areas where the Abyss overlaps with the normal universe

The root issue is still the same, how much is "overlapping". If the person can transport themselves across galactic or universe-scale distance, then of course the Abyss will be significant in size, but if all the range is one planet or just an area on the planet, then I don't know.

Having said that, if it can indeed traverse large sections of the universe, it's probably Low 1-C.

 

[Wesker018]

Also, if you are here only to oppose, that is not good—but you will not be able to change anything. And remember my name well, and my image as well.

Someone stop this beast

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Someone stop this beast

now that I know its the translator am 99 porcent sure he didnt meant to say that lol

 

[Azertyhuuh]

So a few things here:

• The 4th Dimension existing in any capacity would already give you influence over the other three. Being able to move even one "meter" in a 4D space would place you entirely outside of the known universe because you're only interacting with the universe when you occupy the same 4th-dimensional plane
• The scans you're giving mention that he can only use this power in areas where the Abyss overlaps with the normal universe

The root issue is still the same, how much is "overlapping". If the person can transport themselves across galactic or universe-scale distance, then of course the Abyss will be significant in size, but if all the range is one planet or just an area on the planet, then I don't know.

Having said that, if it can indeed traverse large sections of the universe, it's probably Low 1-C.

The overlap range is 2-B, which is the collection of all Celestial Foundations. The King of the Abyss stated that he is capable of appearing anywhere; however, what he said after that is that he can appear in the locations where this dimension intersects. This doesn't negate that he is also capable of appearing anywhere. It is true that he can appear anywhere in all Celestial Foundations, but within these foundations, he can appear exactly in certain places only where this dimension itself overlaps, and attack from anywhere across these various locations.

"However, in terms of size, it is of a massive size that encompasses all of that. While the matter of appearing differs and is limited to some areas where it overlaps, the Abyss itself, in terms of size, is massive, ranging from 2-C to 2-B size at the very least.

"Look here at the image Reiner provided for you to understand how the matter works ↓

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If you are unaware of the classification for the Celestial Foundations, it is as follows:

A Celestial Foundation: Low 2-C
All Celestial Foundations: 2-B