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harmira just seems like a off guard merchant nglNot finished yet, but what about the 2-C Tien agenda?
Great question. Given we had to scratch and claw to get that shit passed I have no idea why we forgot to add that.Is there any reason this rule is not in discussion rule page?
I will add it in that case.Great question. Given we had to scratch and claw to get that shit passed I have no idea why we forgot to add that.
For this you get a kiss on the cheek.I will add it in that case.
They just mentioned in the discussion that Time Power isn't UES either.I don’t see how DB wouldn’t qualify tbh even with the arguments laid out on that thread
y tf u doomposting so hardIt's over
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Can you dumb down what the consequences would be for ts if DB is actually downgraded for a 90 IQ (me)y tf u doomposting so hard
I mean I doubt DB would get its UES removedCan you dumb down what the consequences would be for ts if DB is actually downgraded for a 90 IQ (me)
thats never stopped themThe mods are claiming it doesn't qualify are just using old recycled arguements that have already been debunked
Has anyone meaningfully tried to calculate this yet?And its not the only one, don't forget also the time where Early Namek Saga Goku speedblitzed the Scouters, the same Scouters which can pick, read and follow Ki/Power Levels and elaborate information even from many light years away in a matter of seconds.
In the Anime its further proven as in a filler scene Planet Frieza 79 (located in Frieza's empire which its should be located in another quadrant of the universe, making the distance between it and Namek in integalactic range) there is a computer with scouter-like system wich its able to follow Goku and Frieza's Ki/Power Levels.
Those Scouters are supposted to be the mechanical equivalent of Ki Sense, and as was show in the Saiyan Saga Ki Sensing does scale to the user's reactions, so the same logic can be apply to the Scouters.
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That seems like a weird edge case. We don’t need to scale him to some multiplier value of the scouter processing speed; it would be the same as scaling someone to another person’s speed value without adding any ‘blitzing multiplier’ simply because they were faster than their perceptions.You mean calculating Scouters' reaction speed then use said speed to calculate Goku's speed by speedblitzing it? That's calc stacking, so invalid.
Telescopes aren’t real-time which is different, but anyway I was just asking the question assuming the thing was legitimate and asking why it wouldn’t even work in that case. Don’t Scouters relay info between star systems anyway? And IIRC there have been instances of general ki-sensing of targets moving at MFTL speeds being blitzed at other times.Yeah, that'd be fine I guess.
Though honestly idk if Scouters perceiving things from far away does qualify for speed. A telescope also can let us perceive things from lightyears away –saving relativistic effects that obviously do not take place in DB– but it has no MFTL speed, nor do we by reacting to such things. And I think I don't need to explain how Goku should not scale to something that kept up with Final Form Frieza.
Why are they treating it like it's just a normal use of ki and not something accumulated from the entire body? If DB gets its UES removed that's gonna be straight BSIt's over
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Yeah, because of relativity, which DB doesn't follow.Telescopes aren’t real-time which is different
You'd need to prove that their perception speed is comparable to the speed in which they relay information.Don’t Scouters relay info between star systems anyway?
Thats fine igAnd IIRC there have been instances of general ki-sensing of targets moving at MFTL speeds being blitzed at other times.
Yeah, because of relativity, which DB doesn't follow.
I’m assuming that the ‘relaying information’ just is the recognition of ki signatures in that post. That’s why I asked for more info about it.You'd need to prove that their perception speed is comparable to the speed in which they relay information.
It would lowk nuke the verse back to 3-C (I’m clueless)ues is ass anyway db doesn't need a ues
Oh no! Anyway.It's over
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It's an April Fool's Day prank CRT!It's over
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Sorry bros 9-B DB is the best I can do
Sorry bros 9-B DB is the best I can do
I'm gonna lose sleep because if thisOh no! Anyway.
Sorry bros 9-B DB is the best I can do
Ki isn't UES, but Haki isIt's over
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This is like the DB equivalent of your first avengers movie being infinity war lolFrist episode of dragon Ball I watched
Are they serious? They really gave plot manipulation for...a gag in a song and just a replay of the scene for the audience. Now I'm 100% sure this wiki has agenda for many verses.
Let it be known that Davies had majin power up and was stated to be as strong as Perfect Cell meaning without it then it could be assumed that Dabura is as strong as SSJ during the Cell saga