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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

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Can you dumb down what the consequences would be for ts if DB is actually downgraded for a 90 IQ (me)
I mean I doubt DB would get its UES removed

The mods are claiming it doesn't qualify are just using old recycled arguements that have already been debunked

Tip for a rainy day, don't assume someone knows what they are talking about just because they are staff lol
 
And its not the only one, don't forget also the time where Early Namek Saga Goku speedblitzed the Scouters, the same Scouters which can pick, read and follow Ki/Power Levels and elaborate information even from many light years away in a matter of seconds.

In the Anime its further proven as in a filler scene Planet Frieza 79 (located in Frieza's empire which its should be located in another quadrant of the universe, making the distance between it and Namek in integalactic range) there is a computer with scouter-like system wich its able to follow Goku and Frieza's Ki/Power Levels.

Those Scouters are supposted to be the mechanical equivalent of Ki Sense, and as was show in the Saiyan Saga Ki Sensing does scale to the user's reactions, so the same logic can be apply to the Scouters.

Last edited: Mar 21, 2026
Has anyone meaningfully tried to calculate this yet?
 
You mean calculating Scouters' reaction speed then use said speed to calculate Goku's speed by speedblitzing it? That's calc stacking, so invalid.
 
You mean calculating Scouters' reaction speed then use said speed to calculate Goku's speed by speedblitzing it? That's calc stacking, so invalid.
That seems like a weird edge case. We don’t need to scale him to some multiplier value of the scouter processing speed; it would be the same as scaling someone to another person’s speed value without adding any ‘blitzing multiplier’ simply because they were faster than their perceptions.

As in, we don’t need to do any further calculations. We can just say Goku at minimum abstractly upscales the calc of the scouter’s processing speed, you wouldn’t need to ‘stack’ any calcs for the scaling to be valid.
 
Yeah, that'd be fine I guess.

Though honestly idk if Scouters perceiving things from far away does qualify for speed. A telescope also can let us perceive things from lightyears away –saving relativistic effects that obviously do not take place in DB– but it has no MFTL speed, nor do we by reacting to such things. And I think I don't need to explain how Goku should not scale to something that kept up with Final Form Frieza.
 
Yeah, that'd be fine I guess.

Though honestly idk if Scouters perceiving things from far away does qualify for speed. A telescope also can let us perceive things from lightyears away –saving relativistic effects that obviously do not take place in DB– but it has no MFTL speed, nor do we by reacting to such things. And I think I don't need to explain how Goku should not scale to something that kept up with Final Form Frieza.
Telescopes aren’t real-time which is different, but anyway I was just asking the question assuming the thing was legitimate and asking why it wouldn’t even work in that case. Don’t Scouters relay info between star systems anyway? And IIRC there have been instances of general ki-sensing of targets moving at MFTL speeds being blitzed at other times.
 
Telescopes aren’t real-time which is different
Yeah, because of relativity, which DB doesn't follow.
Don’t Scouters relay info between star systems anyway?
You'd need to prove that their perception speed is comparable to the speed in which they relay information.
And IIRC there have been instances of general ki-sensing of targets moving at MFTL speeds being blitzed at other times.
Thats fine ig
 
Yeah, because of relativity, which DB doesn't follow.
(I mean we assume it follows it in terms of Relativistic KE here) seems rather obtuse here in understanding that it still would be the recording of MFTL+ ki signature speeds which wouldn’t even vary per relative frame of reference assuming you throw out relativity.
You'd need to prove that their perception speed is comparable to the speed in which they relay information.
I’m assuming that the ‘relaying information’ just is the recognition of ki signatures in that post. That’s why I asked for more info about it.
 
Then why DB characters like Goku and others in original manga don't have plot manipulation resistance? Goku tranformed into Oozaru and an Author, who makes the plot, wasn't even writting that and didn't knew about it
 
Let it be known that Davies had majin power up and was stated to be as strong as Perfect Cell meaning without it then it could be assumed that Dabura is as strong as SSJ during the Cell saga
 
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