• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

[0-0-0] "Best Boxer"? We'll see about that! - Joe Yabuki vs Yu

Status
Not open for further replies.

Nonynho

Any/All
Messages
9,200
Reaction score
2,879
Match was an official boxing one!
  • 19yo Joe (as he wasn't punch-drunk in this age) and 22yo Yu were used here
    • Yu's considered 9-B and all above 9-B is restricted
  • They had 3 months of prep
    • But only limited prior knowledge of what stance each other has
  • They competed in Lightweight (2 categories above the usual for Joe and 2 below for Yu)
    • For whoever it may interest, we'll consider both as having the same height and reach, due to those exact values being unknown for Joe and making things simpler
  • Match was in Little Mac's Super Smash Bros.' stage
  • Speed equal

The Grim Reaper-

The Devil-

Incon-
 
Last edited:
9-B Yu turns into 9-A Yu with that kind of prep.

And even if he didn't, this key basically spams monster stance, so Joe insta-dies.
 
Then i'll take off his steroids, because Joe's AP is borderline 9-A too


Yeah, no
Lemme not permit anything above 9-B
I'm gonna go get the match closed now, unless of course you want to fight Occam O'Connell?
 
Also, let's not forget that Yu is not dealing with Joe's SI and pain resist so nobody's insta-killing here
But i'll take Monster stance just to make things less complicated here
 
Also, just saying, I'm not seeing any calcs on Joe's page to back up him being anything but 15 KJ. So he's 15 KJ and Yu still one-taps him. He's also never getting tagged because lolreactiondiff
mind explaining why?
Well you restrict the main things of the opponent and spout nonsense, and we don't really like matches made for one character to win here so...
 
Oh, and I just realized Joe has no resistance to Power Mimicry. So anything he does Yu does infinitely better even if there was any skill difference here.
 
Also, just saying, I'm not seeing any calcs on Joe's page to back up him being anything but 15 KJ. So he's 15 KJ and Yu still one-taps him. He's also never getting tagged because lolreactiondiff
His AP is associated with the Speed calc, i'm just too lazy to just put it in the AP section and were not the one that made the profile*
Joe's reaction is waaaay higher than Yu's so i can't see (ironically) how's he not being the one not-getting-tagged

Well you restrict the main things of the opponent and spout nonsense, and we don't really like matches made for one character to win here so...
Wait so Yu can't do literally nothing beside monster stance? How's that "the best boxer in the world"?

Oh, and I just realized Joe has no resistance to Power Mimicry. So anything he does Yu does infinitely better even if there was any skill difference here.
neither does Yu, and Joe's Power Mimicry is also pretty good
there's also Joe resisting Yu's SI while the contrary is not true so...
 
Joe doesn't have any calcs on his page so assuming he's baseline Yu punches a hole in his skull.
 
Yu's also in need of answers to
So things shouldn't be easy for neither side
 
His AP is associated with the Speed calc, i'm just too lazy to just put it in the AP section and were not the one that made the profile*
2.3 Megajoules is approaching 9-A like me running instead of jogging is approaching the speed of a car.
Joe's reaction is waaaay higher than Yu's so i can't see (ironically) how's he not being the one not-getting-tagged
Error 404: His combat speeds and reaction speeds being the same means Yu's reactions are still Higher gg no re.
Wait so Yu can't do literally nothing beside monster stance? How's that "the best boxer in the world"?
Do you take Frostmourne away from Arthas Menethil? Do you take Ashbringer away from Tirion Fordring? Do you take the Blades of Azzinoth away from Illidan Stormrage?

Go on, tell me the answer to that!
 
Well, Joe has a 15x AP advantage, so that's a decent advantage, but in anything else he's inferior. Yu is significantly more skilled, grows faster, speed is equal so he has higher perception speed, and he can also just copy anything Joe does and do it ten times better with a glance. It'll take a long time for Yu to whittle him down but his attacks can be piercing, so if he wants, he could just cut Joe with a hyper-precise punch and he'll bleed out.
 
Should've waited for our Punch-Out revisions to go through, then we'd have someone to fight Yu.
 
Should've waited for our Punch-Out revisions to go through, then we'd have someone to fight Yu.
Yu would backshot anyone from Punch Out!! and it would not even be close...

erm... except Little Mac, Mac is 17. He'd just normally murder him.
 
Yu's also in need of answers to

So things shouldn't be easy for neither side
None of this stuff means anything against Yu. Yu himself has IA that informs him of the best ways to optimize his blows, the best ways to dodge, and how to maximize efficiency to waste zero energy in his attacks, he can perform all his moves reflexively if need be since he's constantly in a state of hyper concentration. The precog doesn't really matter either since even if Joe knows Yu is doing something deadly, he can't do anything about it. The rest of the stuff are just techniques Yu would copy and adapt to at a glance.
 
2.3 Megajoules is approaching 9-A like me running instead of jogging is approaching the speed of a car.
That is the literal cap of the tier and Yu reaches it too as per your saying (and none of them are 9-A today) so what you're saying really made no sense to me

Error 404: His combat speeds and reaction speeds being the same means Yu's reactions are still Higher gg no re.
as it just says "Higher" and is to Attack Speed, nothing too crazy and Joe's Acc. Dev. is crazy good too

Do you take Frostmourne away from Arthas Menethil? Do you take Ashbringer away from Tirion Fordring? Do you take the Blades of Azzinoth away from Illidan Stormrage?

Go on, tell me the answer to that!
The key has a tier without monster stance and other with it, so it shows that Yu is able to do something without it, no?
If not, then it shows that Yu has a great skill issue here and i really don't think that's the case

Well, Joe has a 15x AP advantage
Reaper said Yu could go into 9-A, so they're both capped in the upper limit of 9-B, nobody has an advantage here

Yu is significantly more skilled, grows faster, speed is equal so he has higher perception speed
Both have years of experience + Acc Dev + Technique Mimicry, so nobody has a significant gap today
Also, without steroids Yu's Attack Speed is the only higher one here and Joe's a great adapter so that is really a non-issue

and he can also just copy anything Joe does and do it ten times better with a glance.
So can Joe, who's also a genius with acc dev and technique mimicry
Don't even need to trust me for the lack of a gap, just read the manga because it's very good profile, mate!

It'll take a long time for Yu to whittle him down but his attacks can be piercing, so if he wants, he could just cut Joe with a hyper-precise punch and he'll bleed out.
Joe has Damage Reduction and several other ways to not just die from some duraneg punches and, again, is crazy good at adapting

None of this stuff means anything against Yu. Yu himself has IA that informs him of the best ways to optimize his blows, the best ways to dodge, and how to maximize efficiency to waste zero energy in his attacks, he can perform all his moves reflexively if need be since he's constantly in a state of hyper concentration.
I assume this AI is his intelligence, which is comparable to Joe's tbh

The precog doesn't really matter either since even if Joe knows Yu is doing something deadly, he can't do anything about it.
Just the attack speed is a bit higher, so yeah, he can do something about it, cuz, once again, Joe's adaptation skills are very good and the speed gap vanishes in a second

The rest of the stuff are just techniques Yu would copy and adapt to at a glance.
Which is the same case for Joe, so the techniques would grow and grow too


I'd also like to clarify that there's no answer for Yu getting intimidated just like he does to his enemies, and that Joe resists an unhuman amount of pain, something Yu's not doing, which is quite cool for Joe
 
That is the literal cap of the tier and Yu reaches it too as per your saying (and none of them are 9-A today) so what you're saying really made no sense to me
...

The cap of 9-B is 21 Megajoules or so. with 10.5 Megajoules being Wall level+. He ain't near the edge of the tier, pal.
The key has a tier without monster stance and other with it, so it shows that Yu is able to do something without it, no?
If not, then it shows that Yu has a great skill issue here and i really don't think that's the case
You dodged the question like Yu would dodge Joe,
Do you take Frostmourne away from Arthas Menethil? Do you take Ashbringer away from Tirion Fordring? Do you take the Blades of Azzinoth away from Illidan Stormrage?
Answer it.
 
Reaper said Yu could go into 9-A, so they're both capped in the upper limit of 9-B, nobody has an advantage here
Reaper lied.
Both have years of experience + Acc Dev + Technique Mimicry, so nobody has a significant gap today
Also, without steroids Yu's Attack Speed is the only higher one here and Joe's a great adapter so that is really a non-issue
They have the same abilities, Yu's are just better. Experience is irrelevant against him since he never trained to become skilled, he was born that way and becomes increasingly more skilled without even applying any effort and exceeds years of training just by living out his life. And unlike Joe's technique mimicry, Yu can copy entire styles at a glance and this applies to things that aren't Boxing, like Ryu's unconventional style or even any physical sport. Yu's speed also gets higher very quickly because his AD doesn't just apply to skill.

So can Joe, who's also a genius with acc dev and technique mimicry
Don't even need to trust me for the lack of a gap, just read the manga because it's very good profile, mate!
Again, just because they have the same abilities doesn't mean they are equals. Yu's accelerated development allowed him to become the most skilled Boxer in history just by witnessing a one-two punch. He was naturally born the best, and only gets better without needing to try, because he's simply that talented.
Joe has Damage Reduction and several other ways to not just die from some duraneg punches and, again, is crazy good at adapting
To use his damage reduction he has to grab Yu which will never happen. Yu's punches also aren't just dura neg, they are literally piercing attacks, he can throw blows so precisely that glancing misses can cause slash wounds. It's not something Joe's brand of damage reduction would circumvent anyways.

I assume this AI is his intelligence, which is comparable to Joe's tbh
No, I said IA, as in Instinctive Action.
Just the attack speed is a bit higher, so yeah, he can do something about it, cuz, once again, Joe's adaptation skills are very good and the speed gap vanishes in a second
Even without a speed gap, Yu is still significantly a better fighter and just grows faster than Joe ever will. He became good at everything related to Boxing just by witnessing a single move.
Which is the same case for Joe, so the techniques would grow and grow too
Yu grows faster. Read up.
I'd also like to clarify that there's no answer for Yu getting intimidated just like he does to his enemies, and that Joe resists an unhuman amount of pain, something Yu's not doing, which is quite cool for Joe
Joe's social influencing is not doing anything to Yu. To begin with Yu doesn't fear death and even in situations where he could die in an instant he showed no emotion, no signs of fear or even a desire to live. If anything, Joe would be the one being intimidated. People see Joe as a monster, but people see Yu as a grotesque inhuman perfect lifeform that can never possibly be overcome.
 
...

The cap of 9-B is 21 Megajoules or so. with 10.5 Megajoules being Wall level+. He ain't near the edge of the tier, pal.
eita

it converts to 0,0005 tons and the gap is 0,005, you are correct
But, much like you said about Yu, it is definetely possible for Joe to reach the gap with the prep (specially being the only one of the two with Preparation in the profile and him being the one that will be going up two categories)

You dodged the question like Yu would dodge Joe,
not with the Attack Speed being the difference, not the Reaction Speed lmao

Answer it.
Like i said, even if it's one of his gimmicks, if there is a separate tier in the key without it (the only way something gets restrictable) and it is the only way they're matchable, yeah, i am """""""matching Arthas without Frostmourne""""""". And your examples definetely don't compare here
 
iYou dodged the question like Yu would dodge Joe,
Yu doesn't need Monster Stance. It's an advantage but it's not that integral to his fighting style, his first key didn't have it so it's not like if you take it away from him he becomes useless.
 
not with the Attack Speed being the difference, not the Reaction Speed lmao
Combat speed is the difference. Yu's combat speed is just subsonic, his attacks are faster, his reactions are much faster. Speed Equal drops Joe's combat speed to that original Subsonic, and because it's listed as combat speed and reactions and he's not shown to have faster attacks in the speed section, he's basically working against someone faster than him in all relevant aspects.
 
i'll be properly answering tomorrow, as my work time has just ended
 
I thought it was agreed in the last thread that Joe stomps because he was 15x stronger and that Yu can't do anything because Joe's dura is 12x his AP. If Joe is 12x stronger that would make him 6.6 tons in AP and dura. And even if you use 9-A Yu, the one that scales to 0.0150325462 tons, Joe is still like 440x stronger and durable than him

Why is Joe not 9-A then if a triple counter is 12x stronger than his 9-B value??? This what happens when you use messed up profiles
 
Last edited:
And if Joe is 15x Yu in AP.. and his dura neg and PP isn't as good as he was during the Aaron fight..

Joe won't feel Yu's attacks at all

How does Yu even win this again?
 
Not really. The gap would need to be much larger for slashing attacks to not work if Joe hasn't shown to be able to tank knives or bullets. Yu could also just punch him in the balls.
 
welp, as Robo indicated that there was another thread and that he can handle Joe's needed updates, i'll ask this to be closed

thanks for y'alls time and sorry for this
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top