[GRACE] Superman (MAWS) vs Shy [2-7-0]

[Jackof_noTrades068]

MAWS Supes has matches on his profile but not for his tier 6 key, lets fix that. Maybe if this match gets traction Utsuro vs Supergirl can come after
Anyway

• Speed is Equalized
• Neverland Arc Shy is used - 582 Gigatons, 1.16 Teratons with Scar Transformation with Class M LS
• Season 2 Superman is used - 424 Gigatons, far higher when Sun dipped with Class E LS
• They each start 50m apart
• Battle starts on a rooftop in Metropolis

The Man of Tomorrow: CatLover313, Arkenis

The Shiny Girl: Jackof_NoTrades068, EnderLord8, Viott, MysticBrawler, MannyQ361, Kellex, Insert_creative_name_here

They would be friends, duh (Incon):

 

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[CatLover313]

What are the conditions for the Scar Transformation? How long does it last and what are the negative effects if any? The profile explains it but I'd like it explained as if I'm a dummy

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

What are the conditions for the Scar Transformation? How long does it last and what are the negative effects if any? The profile explains it but I'd like it explained as if I'm a dummy

The conditions of Scar transformation are for the user to intentionally tap into their childhood trauma (thinking about old wounds essentially) which would cause her to enter the state. She’s starting off stronger than Superman so she’d ideally not wanna do this. Especially given its weaknesses unless she believes she can finish the fight with it.
Its timeframe seems to just be a couple minutes for shy. Definitely not beyond 10 minutes.
The weaknesses are in the weakness section. But if she uses up her time limit and doesn’t turn it off then she’ll suffer a brain hemorrhage, fall unconscious and bruises will spontaneously start appearing on her body. So it’s an instant loss if her Scar Transformation is outlasted basically.

 

[CatLover313]

I'm going to vote for Superman (MAWS). Considering even with the Scar transformation, their AP/Dura Gap is only 2.73x. The humongous difference in LS (Class E vs Class M) will allow Superman to just tear/crush Shy. At worst, pin her down till her transformation times out putting her at an even bigger disadvantage now.

 

[EnderLord8]

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[Jackof_noTrades068]

I'm going to vote for Superman (MAWS). Considering even with the Scar transformation, their AP/Dura Gap is only 2.73x. The humongous difference in LS (Class E vs Class M) will allow Superman to just tear/crush Shy. At worst, pin her down till her transformation times out putting her at an even bigger disadvantage now.

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I will add some things though
Shy’s fire aura is capable of generating shockwaves that blast apart or knock back attacks from characters in her tier. So Shy does have the option of blasting him away like that if she can see he’s going for a grab. Does have Analytical Prediction + Acrobatics which could make it hard for Supes to tag her when she can fly just like he can. Flashbang him with her light manipulation if he does get a hold, if Shy wants an opening to beat down on him or simply gets close. And at least based on profiles Shy appears to have decently better combat skill. So it’s feasible she doesn’t let him exploit his Lifting strength advantage.
Can’t really refer to the blitz tier speed amp of Scar Transformation as a primary wincon given Superman is faster in speed unequal but that should be taken into account as well that she would get faster within it

 

[CatLover313]

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I will add some things though
Shy’s fire aura is capable of generating shockwaves that blast apart or knock back attacks from characters in her tier. So Shy does have the option of blasting him away like that if she can see he’s going for a grab. Does have Analytical Prediction + Acrobatics which could make it hard for Supes to tag her when she can fly just like he can. Flashbang him if he does get a hold, if Shy wants an opening to beat down on him or simply gets close. And at least based on profiles Shy appears to have decently better combat skill. So it’s feasible she doesn’t let him expose his Lifting strength advantage.
Can’t really refer to the blitz tier speed amp of Scar Transformation as a primary wincon given Superman is faster in speed unequal but that should be taken into account as well that she would get faster within it

Oh yes, forgot to consider that the Scar Transformaton will also boost her speed by 3x which would make it more complicated. I guess one question I should've asked first is does Superman know the weakness/time limit of the Scar Transformation? Or does the transformation have some sort of detail that would allow Superman to figure out the weakness (i.e., have villains in Shy's series could tell Scar transformation had a time limit). That probably changes my entire mindset whether that information is known or not

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Oh yes, forgot to consider that the Scar Transformaton will also boost her speed by 3x which would make it more complicated. I guess one question I should've asked first is does Superman know the weakness/time limit of the Scar Transformation? Or does the transformation have some sort of detail that would allow Superman to figure out the weakness (i.e., have villains in Shy's series could tell Scar transformation had a time limit). That probably changes my entire mindset whether that information is known or not

Their knowledge of each other are under SBA conditions. So neither know each others weaknesses or even powers at the very start of the fight.
So Superman would be in the dark that there’s even a time limit to be outlasted.

 

[CatLover313]

Their knowledge of each other are under SBA conditions. So neither know each others weaknesses or even powers at the very start of the fight.
So Superman would be in the dark that there’s even a time limit to be outlasted.

Any singular grab would really hurt Shy as that's an easy bone crush for Supes and while she has Mid-low regeneration, that doesn't appear to be fast enough to continously apply in a battle repeatedly. Plus, her abilities definitely help her get away now and then from Supe's grabs but playing the long-game would be worse for her due to Scar's time limit. Plus, Superman also isn't afraid to use his long-range abilities to push back his opponents and he'd also being playing "carefully" to scout out shy's weakness especially if he knows that her attacks would hurt. His profile also says he can use his aura for attack redirection which would help redirect some attacks that are too dangerous and help stall even longer. So even though he doesn't know Scar's weakness, it would be in character for him to play the long game in this fight.

So, I'll still stick with the Superman vote

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I’ll personally Vote Shy FRA.
Shy has experience fighting people that are much faster than her by relying on prediction and acrobatics. As well as fighting on a semi even playing field against people who straight up outstat her in everything like Utsuro. Shy’s also got better improvisation and general martial skill while Supes is more of a brawler type fighter. Supes can get punches off but things like full on grabs I doubt land. Just that it’d be devastating if they did.
Supes’ Super breath can knock her back but it’s not cold enough to phase her at all. Her heat resistance is above Superman’s heat vision too I think on top of how Shy can absorb Thermal Energy. So his main ranged methods are gone. And Supes’ attack reflect application of his aura doesn’t seem to be something he has done against physical punches but for a projectile like Livewire’s electricity. So just punching him is on the table.
Shy also doesn’t have to carelessly waste her Scar Transformation time limit as she can wait until she can clearly see she can win extremely fast if she powers up.
So that Superman trying to fight defensively wouldn’t help him much. Or she ragdolls and beats him down in the first couple of attacks while she’s Low 6-B before Supes can realize she hits way harder now since an almost 3x AP gap would really hurt.

For disclaimer Shy does not have mid-low regen in this thread. That’s tied to her optional equipment (Purity) which didn’t get mentioned so it’s not available. Shy also doesn’t have Mai’s ring in this match (for obvious reasons cause her just making 2 clones of herself to fight Supes is unfair lmao)

 

[EnderLord8]

Hmmm, thinking in give my vote to Shy

 

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[Viott]

Shy FRA

 

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[MysticBrawler]

Super Shy FRA

 

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[MannyQ361]

Voting Shy fra.

 

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[Arkenis]

LS fra (Superman). He will basically be her brother after that ngl. He's got regen enough to heal bones so he can withstand her hits for a bit while he lasers her or uses ice breath over time to weaken her.

 

[Kellex]

Hold up. From Shy's profile:

Social Influencing (She moved Stardust's immovable heart[24]. She has also filled Iko Koishikawa with courage several times through her heroics[25]. Managed to warm Tzveta's heart and helped her regain her humanity[26], and did the same for Utsuro.[27][28]. Due to that Stigma notes that Teru's ability to empathize and understand her enemies, she's by far the most dangerous among the heroes[29]. She could also break down Utsuro's resolve by being able to read her character and pointing out her insecurities[27])

and from her intelligence section:

Shy is also emotionally intelligent, as she was able to see through Stardust’s claims of being a heartless sociopath, allowing her to determine his true intentions and feelings as they fought. Against Utsuro she even caused her to lose focus by temporarily choosing to talk about her past and insecurities instead of going on the offensive. When Iko was corrupted, causing her negative emotions and worst traits were brought to the surface, she quickly figured out the solution to get the ring off. Which the heroes hadn’t seen happen up to that point, causing Stigma to take interest in her as a threat

What's stopping from Shy just social influencing Clark Kent? I'm not familiar with her verse, but I am curious.

 

[Arkenis]

Nothing. She could do it.

 

[Kellex]

Nothing. She could do it.

Like... absolutely nothing?

 

[Arkenis]

He could not listen ig?

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

LS fra (Superman). He will basically be her brother after that ngl. He's got regen enough to heal bones so he can withstand her hits for a bit while he lasers her or uses ice breath over time to weaken her.

the lasers and breath won’t phase her much cause of her temp resistances or Shy using her heat absorption on the heat vision. But counted

Hold up. From Shy's profile:

and from her intelligence section:

What's stopping from Shy just social influencing Clark Kent? I'm not familiar with her verse, but I am curious.

Nothing is stopping her and it’s pretty in character for her to talk to her enemies so

 

[Kellex]

He could not listen ig?

Nah, this Clark Kent isn't that kind of person to just not listen. Even when he's fighting villains, he tries to end things peacefully if they're willingly to. Not to mention the dude is just super nice in general so if Teru reads Clark's heart or tries to talk with him, she'll be able to convince Clark Kent to stop fighting instantly.

So, honestly? I vote Shy for social influencing. This way no one has to get hurt and we get the best of both worlds.

 

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