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Rematch: The Perfect Human vs The Greatest Boxer (10-16-0) *GRACE*
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This feels like an unfair matchup given the profile revisions but as is I would vote for Koji.
Firstly I'm not convinced Yu "could" hit Koji since that would be a major assumption given that Koji has a massive skill advantage with training in a host of different martial arts and fighting techniques and he has been trained since birth. Unequal speed helps Yu here since he has a minor advantage in the matchup but the skill gap is much larger. Koji has the better ANPR as well. Then we get into BY FAR Koji's biggest advantage which is his intelligence gap, so saying Yu could even land a hit is an assumption.
Then even if we assume Yu can hit him it's unclear if he can deal much real damage given the Durability advantage Koji has. Koji has essentially 5x (4.97x) durability of Yu's AP so his attacks are not doing much of anything to him. Then lastly is the stamina gap. Koji is massively superior here, which given his intelligence is something he will realize immediately.
So absolute worst case for Koji he just outlasts Yu via his much higher stamina and more likely he 1-2 shots pretty quickly with 3x AP advantage combined with his PP attacks.
So yeah this is kind of a stomp.
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As a skillwank guy...! This is really nothing much. You can know a hundred martial arts and have trained with them since birth, but if you're still dogass at fighting it's just versatility and experience. Knowing yes martial arts is more like a buzzword than a legit feat.
But I agree with this, Yu's stamina is bad in this key so no matter what he's sort of outlasted.
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Counted.
I don't think the match qualifies as a stomp since there are people who're leaning towards Yu being able to win:
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I mean in principle you might be right, but that really isn't the case here. Koji has both the training and fight experience so he clearly isn't "dogass at fighting". For context by the time he was nine years old he was already too strong for the adult fighting instructors in the White Room so they had him fight a 6v1 against a group of professional fighters who he proceeded to no diff (again at 9 years old). He has fought in thousands of fights so the idea that he has martial arts experience but not fighting experience is clearly not applicable here.
I mean I guess not, but I don't really understand that since I don't think Yu has any realistic wincons?
Even if Koji did what he did when fighting Horikita and Ibuki two on one where he stood in place and had one hand tied behind his back it doesn't seem like Yu could do enough damage to hurt him before running out of stamina. This is a hyperbolic argument to be clear but in all honestly would Yu get tired before he could do enough damage to win unless Koji legit just stands there and takes it?
Plus we know he can still defend with one hand so is this even out of the question?
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That's the combat skill actually in play, I'm just saying that it's just versatility, the actual feats are what matter, not the buttering up statements.
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Tbf, blocking isn't gonna help koji at all since Yu's punches hit through guard via dura neg.
Also his durability advantage gets sort of reduced because of the dura neg too.
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It's far different from being punched. The impact force is lower and it affects you differently. As far as I know, we don't see how exactly he landed, but you literally use your legs to decrease the impact, so the impact force is significantly lower.
You simply cannot claim that Potential Energy is equal to durability, the same way you can't say that real humans have durability of 1.5 kilojoules - 3.9 kilojoules just because they can survive 2 - 5 meter falls without any significant damage.
Btw I know this is using real world nonsense, but I'm just giving an example. It doesn't work like this in the real world and the 49.3 kilojoules value is based on real life phyisics, but if the approach was correct the same physics formula literally calculates humans to street level.
Therefore the AP/Durability gap isn't that high.
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Hi, someone with 6320.125x your posts as of posting this here... durability is never that complicated here. Never has, never is, and never will be. We don't even include things that matter like tensile strength of people...
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The wincons for both characters are:
Yu landing a few hits in the start because of his perception and speed advantage.
If he can land these on Koji's weak spots an argument for him winning via dura neg can be made, though it can also be argued that Koji can endure the hits and not lose consciousness through his supernatural willpower.
If the fight lasts long enough, Koji will have adapted to Yu's perception/speed advantage and achieved a good enough grasp of his fighting style to just never get hit, outlasting him via his superior stamina and swiftly putting an end to the fight.
Since both of them have wincons, I don't think this match is a stomp.
Though, I'm definitely leaning towards Ayanokoji.
Yu landing a few hits in the start because of his perception and speed advantage.
If he can land these on Koji's weak spots an argument for him winning via dura neg can be made, though it can also be argued that Koji can endure the hits and not lose consciousness through his supernatural willpower.
If the fight lasts long enough, Koji will have adapted to Yu's perception/speed advantage and achieved a good enough grasp of his fighting style to just never get hit, outlasting him via his superior stamina and swiftly putting an end to the fight.
Since both of them have wincons, I don't think this match is a stomp.
Though, I'm definitely leaning towards Ayanokoji.
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Post-scaling
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Hey having over 50,000 posts has to count for something, right?Post-scaling
UnstoppableObject
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I know. I just find it absurd, since it's taken from a questionable feat instead of at least using the AP = durability and putting it at 29.4 kilojoules (even that is questionable, but it's more accurate). I was just trying to point that out, because using the 5x durability gap as an argument is extremely inaccurate, considering how different Yu's durability feats are from the 49.3 kilojoule fall. Punching with 9 kilojoules is deadlier than falling with 49 kilojoules.
Sorry for bothering btw. I just thought that it's important to point that out.
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If he could efficiently harm people much stronger than him with those, he wouldn't have bothered learnt the better version against Aaron.
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Gonna just point out that Yu straight up couldn't harm Aaron at all without it so...
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Brother, we've been over this. Yu is faster, has 12x his own perceptions while being able to read Koji with Koji not being able to read him back. Literally every movement of Koji's body and even his shadow would be getting read by Yu, and it's been done at a standstill.
I know you're trying to ride off the 1-2 shot stuff, but really HOW does he hit? Yu is :
- 20% physically faster with his perceptions (literally 12x) and techs being even higher
- Perceiving him in slow mo
- reading his movements (koji can't do it back)
- damage reduction by turning his body last second or directly hitting the fist at an angle striking the weakest part of Koji's hand
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Irrelevant when Yu tires himself out
As Zefra said, his PP and Dura neg does not work on people who have like 5x his AP in durability
Not to mention we can also factor in Koji's supernatural willpower
Only works with people on his level, otherwise Koji is just gonna give him the Jean treatment
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Stats, stamina increase on koji's side + supernatural willpower + more abilities + skill feats ig
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Same character who had fear Manipulation for ripping a man's jaw off with his teeth and that scaring another man BTW
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That was fixed.
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Still being circular. Yu tiring himself matters if you think Koji can survive the opening exchanges with someone faster than him while also being able to get knocked out via shots to the chin. Instead of jumping to this, provide arguments for why he could.
Prove this.
What is this supposed to mean? Is his willpower so great that he can fight while unconscious or something? 1 - 2 shots to this kids brain will rattle him and another to the liver will have him drop to his knees.
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bait nearly got me, i'm ngl. 8/10 for you
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I confirm I said it
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The main argument seems to be outlasting, but that only really works if Kouji has a significant dura advantage. Yu's precision allows him to target the absolute weakest points in an opponent's body, so with only a 3x dura advantage and the exceedingly vague ahh stamina feat on his profile, I don't see him staying conscious while consistently getting clocked by Yu. Has he displayed any new skill feats since the last match? If not he's also getting slapped in that field too, still.
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responded here, actually engage instead of just saying stomp
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4,96x times his dura actually
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Uh, i think you are using the wrong tabber, this is ANHS Koji, i seperated the keys, check them again
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That's my bad. But even reading that, I still don't think it lends a significant advantage. A lot of it is just being able to remain active for long periods of time, which is different from getting consistently pelted with hyper precise blows while also trying to land attacks. Unless Kouji is also significantly more skilled (he isn't), has much really changed here?
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Ayanokouji from 4 up until 9 years old was constantly beaten up from his instructors every single day, they were made to get up even after vomiting and spitting blood
It is worth noting that the instructors had no qualms about sending kids and woman to the hospital
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