Rematch: The Perfect Human vs The Greatest Boxer (10-16-0) *GRACE*

[DeltaStriker22]

Ayanokouji Kiyotaka vs Yu​

Rules:

• Starting Distance: 15 meters
• Location: UFC Ring
  
  
• No prep time. No prior knowledge.
• ANHS Ayanokouji, no equipment.
• Start of series Yu, no equipment.
• Both are in character but willing to kill.
• Ayanokouji stats:
  • Ap: At least 29.4 Kilojoules
  • Dura: At least 49.3 Kilojoules
  • Speed: 91.4 m/s
• Yu stats:
  • Ap & Dura: 9.92 Kilojoules
  • Speed: At least 109.58 m/s, higher with technique
  • Perception: 0.006291 sec

Ayanokouji’s advantages:

• 2.96x AP and 4.96x durability advantage
• MASSIVE Stamina and LS advantage (Superhuman and Class 5)
• MASSIVE intelligence advantage and far more experienced in combat.
• Likely better ANPR due to vastly superior intelligence.
• Better Pressure Points, Enhanced Senses and Accelerated Development.
• Information Analysis, Sleight of Hand and Supernatural Willpower.

Yu’s advantages:

• 1.19x speed advantage, higher with technique
• 12.716x perception advantage (Ayanokouji is at most baseline superhuman)
• More useful Technique Mimicry (Since Ayanokouji has already mastered boxing Yu has nothing new for him to copy, on the other hand Yu can copy several styles worth of techniques from Ayanokouji.)
• Resistance to ANPR.
• Better Superhuman Precision and Acrobatics.
• Durability Negation and Damage Reduction.

Ayanokouji Kiyotaka (10): @CatLover313, @TheHuntsman1001, @XxZetsuxX, @Vzearr, @Buzzflightyear, @VladimirMakarov317, @Zefra3011, @DeltaStriker22, @RoggerReggor, @Fezzih_007
Yu (16): @Foriaa, @azontr, @DaReaperMan, @Kachon123, @Pyro9278, @Lynieryz, @Da3ggman, @Kellex, @Robo432343, @Vapidhoe, @Phoenks, @Kazuma_kuwabara, @Arceus0x, @VNova, @UnstoppableObject, @Viott
Inconclusive (0):

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Making this match again since both profiles have received upgrades in stats and abilities.

 

[Zefra3011]

Not sure if Yu can put Ayano down with that Durability and stamina difference. If it's BOS Yu, then he'll run out of stamina in like 3 min (1 round of boxing).

 

[Vapidhoe]

This is a stomp in ayanokoji favor, the ap and dura difference is just massive, you really shouldn't use start of the series Yu unless he has a way to counter that ap and dura difference which he has none, but I'm voting debut Yu though if it comes to that

 

[Zefra3011]

Debut Yu is like 150 kj, with a speed advantage... the problem shifts to the other side. I don't think these two can be matched with their current stats.

 

[Robo432343]

@azontr cum here

 

[Vapidhoe]

Debut Yu is like 150 kj, with a speed advantage... the problem shifts to the other side. I don't think these two can be matched with their current stats.

Yeah I agree, this shouldn't be a match in the first place, if ayanokoji faces against start of series yu it's a stomp in ayanokoji favor but if it's debut yu then it's a stomp in yu's favor

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Koji now has supernatural willpower too

 

[Vzearr]

Koji now has supernatural willpower too

 

[XxZetsuxX]

What

 

[Foriaa]

How does Koji at all hit Yu?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

How does Koji at all hit Yu?

The better question is, how will Yu put down Koji before he gets too tired to do anything with his dura and stamina advantage?

 

[Foriaa]

The better question is, how will Yu put down Koji before he gets too tired to do anything with his dura and stamina advantage?

Likely drills him before it get's that far in. His punches are insanely precise and can go through the guards of far more skilled fighters. He also can hit his pressure points live his chin/liver to knock him out.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Likely drills him before it get's that far in. His punches are insanely precise and can go through the guards of far more skilled fighters. He also can hit his pressure points live his chin/liver to knock him out.

Koji can remain active for 14 days while dehydrated, tired, hungry under a scorching sun with barely any breaks while also having to fight people who are comparable to him (and remained unhit)

Has lived a good portion of his life getting tortured in the white room getting beated till he spat vomit and blood, needing to get up after

Ichika who is inferior to him can fight while on the verge of losing consciousness and in a position where she wouldn't be able to walk normally

Koji is several no diffs above this

 

[Zefra3011]

Likely drills him before it get's that far in. His punches are insanely precise and can go through the guards of far more skilled fighters. He also can hit his pressure points live his chin/liver to knock him out.

Yu can't stand to fight for many minutes in this key. After 3 minutes of dodging, he was already sweating. There's just no way he can put down Koji, whose durability is 5x Yu's Ap, before Yu starts tiring out.

This is just a mismatch with any Yu's key we use.

 

[Foriaa]

I mean, I don't think the fight last more than a few minutes, lol. Those are pretty good endurance feats, but how does this help with Koji's chin/liver taking repeated precision shots and if it does, how does he operate against someone who can resist ANPR, perceive him slowly AND already has the raw speed advantage?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I mean, I don't think the fight last more than a few minutes, lol. Those are pretty good endurance feats, but how does this help with Koji's chin/liver taking repeated precision shots and if it does, how does he operate against someone who can resist ANPR, perceive him slowly AND already has the raw speed advantage?

He can still dodge with reaction and or block with IA

 

[Vapidhoe]

Change the key to debut so I can watch people agreeing Yu beat the shit out of this highschool labrat kid

 

[Zefra3011]

I mean, I don't think the fight last more than a few minutes, lol. Those are pretty good endurance feats, but how does this help with Koji's chin/liver taking repeated precision shots and if it does, how does he operate against someone who can resist ANPR, perceive him slowly AND already has the raw speed advantage?

I don't think this wiki treats Pressure Points as that OP, unless it's shown to, and Yu never did. 5x is just a massive difference. I don't think Yu wins this even if Ayanokouji becomes a punching bag. Just a stomp.

 

[Foriaa]

He can still dodge with reaction and or block with IA

Yu would read everything Koji does at a granular level by constantly downloading the data of him and predicting his moves, while also making it so that Koji can't read anything off of him.

Think of it like this, Yu having 12x perception would let him notice Koji's dodge path to adjust where he's punching to and hit his chin/liver

 

[Foriaa]

I don't think this wiki treats Pressure Points as that OP

Brother, the literal gif being used is Kenshiro hitting someone's pressure points causing them to explode, surely you don't think hitting someone in their liver/chin to knock them out (something every skilled boxer targets) is op.

As for whether or not he's shown doing it, that wouldn't matter as this is the most basic technique a boxer can do.

 

[Zefra3011]

Brother, the literal gif being used is Kenshiro hitting someone's pressure points causing them to explode, surely you don't think hitting someone in their liver/chin to knock them out (something every skilled boxer targets) is op.

As for whether or not he's shown doing it, that wouldn't matter as this is the most basic technique a boxer can do.

Yu ain't Kenshiro

 

[Foriaa]

Of course not , Yu would kill him

 

[Foriaa]

Change the key to debut so I can watch people agreeing Yu beat the shit out of this highschool labrat kid

Yu would literally ragdoll him, let's not do that please

 

[First_Witch]

Both are Alice Fuji victims

 

[Foriaa]

Random baby boruto victim

 

[Zefra3011]

Both are Alice Fuji victims

she ain't allat

 

[Foriaa]

prolly dies to daniel

 

[First_Witch]

she ain't allat

Shes more than that

 

[First_Witch]

prolly dies to daniel

I would have done the match but i cant wank the verse higher AP wise

 

[Foriaa]

I would have done the match but i cant wank the verse higher AP wise

losing to fat daniel is insane

 

[First_Witch]

losing to fat daniel is insane

Lookism is safe thanks to being dummythicc, else Alice would be farming

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ace Ukiyo victims

 

[Foriaa]

Ace Ukiyo victims

dudes 1-c, still would die to yu tho no troll

 

[Shadowslash125]

dudes 1-c, still would die to yu tho no troll

Dude can't naturally get to 1-C tho (ignoring his outdated post-ascension profile).
Also, the humble Boostriker:

 

[Foriaa]

Last thing the kamen rider verse sees before getting brutally blitzed

 

[Shadowslash125]

Stops at Shadowmoon, trust.

 

[CatLover313]

How'd this thread head to Kamen Rider and 1-C lol

Voting for Ayanokouji, his way superior stamina and likely better ANPR allows for him to wear Yu's stamina until he can get close enough to just target his pressure points and knock him out with his superior AP anyway.

Edit: also forgot to address the LS Gap which if Ayano gets a good grab at Yu, while I’m not sure if class 5 is enough for tearing/crushing bones, he could pin Yu down and allow for easier repeated strikes

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Voting for Ayanokouji, his way superior stamina and likely better ANPR allows for him to wear Yu's stamina until he can get close enough to just target his pressure points and knock him out with his superior AP anyway.

Counted.

 

[UnstoppableObject]

Wouldn't 49.3 kilojoules only apply to his entire body, considering the fact that the value is based on a character falling?

The actual energy he'd be able to withstand in a punch should be way lower. I don't think the AP / durability gap is that high, if you consider the fact that Yu would be punching with 9.92 kilojoules (and all of it would be concentrated in a punch).
9.92 kilojoules concentrated in a fist (low surface area resulting in high energy density) is deadlier than falling with 49.3 kilojoules (bigger surface area).