TenSura WoG Rule Addition

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think you misunderstood me. I said I'll add you to the Direct Message proposals agreement becuase we propose to ban them completely
As here:


Although I would love to have your vote on the other two sections as well

Yes, so you're banning WN Impressions, correct?
Becuase Fans cannot intervene in Activity Reports, insomuch as make the author change their original post or get the author to reply to them (that isn't even possible for Acitivity Reports).

Meanwhile the rest do not have fan interaction even (insofar as that they cannot even review or comment on them)

"Supported by the work" would equate to case by case judgement, correct? The proposals of the CRT apply to general things, but of course, when they are actually used the case-by-case rules apply to them still (such as if they are clear, if they support the canon, etc.)

I hope that cleared your doubts (?)

I Specifically mention "Direct Message Proposals", which as you said are that we ban them :d

But sure, I'll make an alternate summary in that same post.

Ah, nvm then. But still, as Planck mentioned, perhaps the Agree/Disagree section should probably be broken up to make it easier to clarify specifics or each category of WOG statements should have their own section.

 

[Planck69]

Ah, sorrythat was my keyboard typing it automatically.

What I meant was the author’s comments from 2013 to 2016, where Japanese readers would ask Fuse questions either right after a volume was released or while it was being written, and he would reply and clarify things for them.

I’ve read almost everything, and there aren’t any statements like “are there infinite dimensions” or “infinite worlds” or anything related to power scaling.

There are only things like “Is Diablo stronger than X?” and similar questions.

So I’m wonderingdoes this change your opinion?

Also, keep in mind that all of these are literally author responses about the story and how it works.

I can send you examples if you want.

Let me know your opinion for now.

I’d like to know your perspective on this.

Do you think it’s acceptable, or would you prefer to suggest specific cases where it can or cannot be accepted, or do you reject it entirely?

I’d also like to understand your reason for rejecting it there might be a misunderstanding, and I’ll try to clarify it in hopes that you might agree.

Leading questions is more than just using obvious battleboarding terms. Fan based questions are fundamentally unreliable since whatever format they have is going to shape an author's answer to them.

Anything that isn't volunteered of an author's own volition or in a scheduled and controlled environment like an official interview (provided there are no contradictions) isn't getting a pass from me.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Got permission from @DarkDragonMedeus on their message wall for this post. My original purpose was to move the List, but Ciel told me she'll be going somewhere, so I thought I'd reply to these as well:

My friend. I will reiterate for the last time, because genuinely this is very simple: Does the author make them alone, without any prompt from the fans? If the answer is yes, then it's okay with me as long as there's no contradiction. If a fan asks it, I don't support its inclusion.

Anything fan related, I will never support.

I think Ciel misunderstood you on this and thought you were talking about Impressions.

In any case, the answer to this and your previous comment is Yes. The author makes these Activity Reports by his own will, cannot reply back to fans and cannot (or at least has not ever yet) edited his own posts to reply to those questions from the replies.

Leading questions is more than just using obvious battleboarding terms. Fan based questions are fundamentally unreliable since whatever format they have is going to shape an author's answer to them.

On this note, would you be willing to look at examples of what the "WN Impressions" look like?

Reviews

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These are sadly in Japanese, and becuase we aren't using them in CRTs at the moment, we did not get them translated. However, they don't have anything complicated that a quick Google ocr can't check.

Anything that isn't volunteered of an author's own volition or in a scheduled and controlled environment like an official interview (provided there are no contradictions) isn't getting a pass from me.

Rreplying to them is at least his own violation.

1. He can ignore any of the reviews for any period of time, or choose to reply to one.
2. The fan cannot reply back to the answer. It's a one-sided thing where either they gets answered it doesn't get answered. Most of the times it's not even answers to questions but the author's own remarks, even. (Examples in link)

And he does not read or reply to anything past 2016, so all the WoG are from a decade ago and only applicable to the Web Novel, which is also from a decade ago.

(I don't care if this changes your vote or not, I just felt like pointing this out)

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Moving the old list to the new page and making another alternative.

Voting based on agreements:disagreements:

Spoiler: Summary

Agree:
RitsuØ1, Reiner04 , Just a Random Butler and TWILIGHT-OP (Are fine with everything except the Activity Reports proposal, but said if other staff don't mind it then he's the same. At present implied they are fine with it as the majority of fellow staff have accepted it as well, whether fully or under conditions), LephyrTheRevanchist and Theglassman12 (Agree with everything except Impression Page proposal), Plank69 (Agrees with everything except Activity Reports and WN Impression proposals), (Essentially the same as FinePoint), Mr. Bambu (Same as Plank69, although for Activity Reports he said he'd not trust them outright but sometimes they can be fine; case by case?), DarkDragonMedus (Agrees with Interviews, Guidebooks, Web Novel Impressions and Direct Message proposals, didn't mention the other two), FinePoint (Agrees with everything, though with WN Impressions he initially disagreed on-site but later agreed on discord that using the WN Impressions is fine for as long as it doesn't cause problems to arise in the future), Qawsedf234 and Elizhaa (Agrees with everything proposed in the OP), Random-Helper323 (Said he's fine with Interviews and Guidebooks)

Disagree:
LephyrTheRevanchist and Theglassman12 (With WN Impression Proposals), Plank69 (With Activity Reports and WN Impression Proposals), Mr. Bambu (With WN Impressions and Activity Reports, although he'd not trust them outright but sometimes they can be fine; case by case?), DarkDragonMedus (Feels that Activity Reports fall under the same category as Direct Messages although with less drawbacks, but still prone to yes-man or casual talks, thus not trustable)

Voting based on Staff, individually or as groups:

Spoiler: Summary

Elizhaa: Agrees with all the proposals; Ban Direct Messages, the rest are fine under the proposed limitations.

RitsuØ1, Reiner04 , Just a Random Butler and TWILIGHT-OP: Are fine with everything except the Activity Reports proposal, but said if other staff don't mind it then he's the same. At present implied they are fine with it as the majority of fellow staff have accepted it as well, whether fully or under conditions

LephyrTheRevanchist and Theglassman12: Ban anything that has Fan involvement (WN Impressions), rest needs to prove they uphold with what is actually in the work (In other words, case by case).

FinePoint: Agrees with banning Direct Messages. Is fine with anything that is only one-sided (Activity Reports) and Interviews & Guidebook usage. Initially disagreed with WN Impressions but later agreed (on discord) to allow it's usage so long that problems don't arise from its usage.

Plank69 : Agrees with Guidebooks and Interviews usage. Agrees with banning Direct Messages, disagrees with everything else (WN Impressions and Activity Reports)

Mr. Bambu: Agrees with banning Direct Messages. Disagrees with WN Impression proposals and instead wants to ban them. Is fine with Guidebooks (as he didn't mention having issues with them) and Interviews (admitting that most of the times they are fine). As for Activity Reports, he doesn't trust them outright but sometimes they can be fine (I assume he might mean case by case basis for this)

DarkDragonMedus: Agrees with banning Direct Messages. Is fine with Official Interviews, Guidebooks and Web Novel Impressions as long as they don't contradict primary canon. Disagrees with using Activity Reports because they may contain casual non-serious remarks)

Qawsedf234: Agrees with all the conclusions from the OP.

An alternate summary based on each proposal of the OP:

Spoiler: Summary

Web Novel Impressions:
Elizhaa, Reiner04, Twilight-OP and Just a Random Butler, RitsuØ1: are fine with it under the set timeline.

Plank69, Mr. Bambu, LephyrTheRevanchist and Theglassman12: Disagree with using it at all.

DarkDragonMedus: Is fine with using them the same way as Interviews and Guidebooks; so long as they do not contradict the Main Source, they are free to be used.

FinePoint: Initially disagreed (but not 100% on his vote) as he explained on discord. Said he could be convinced, and after doing so he agreed to let WN Impressions be used so long that using them doesn't arise problems.

Qawsedf234: Is fine with the OP's proposals.

Ultimately of course this is only allowing a format, not all scenarios of that format, and they all still need to go through the other rules when used.

Activity Reports:
Reiner04, Twilight-OP, Just a Random Butler, RitsuØ1: Originally agreed, but later changed to neutral, however, would be fine if other staff agrees too. At present they implied they are fine with it.

FinePoint and Theglassman12: Are fine with them because they're one-sided (FinePoint) and becuase the author makes them out of his own violations with no impact from fans on the Activity Reports.

Plank69: Disagrees with using Activity Reports entirely.

Qawsedf234: Agrees with the Proposals regarding Activity Reports.

LephyrTheRevanchist and Mr. Bambu: Does not outright accept them as legitimate but admits they can sometimes he fine. Ultimately case by case (?)

DarkDragonMedus: Disagrees with using them as they may only have causal or yes-no responses.

Elizhaa: Agrees with the proposals.

Direct Messages
Qawsedf234, Elizhaa, RitsuØ1, DarkDragonMedus, Reiner04, Twilight-OP, Just a Random Butler, FinePoint, LephyrTheRevanchist, Theglassman12, Plank69, Mr. Bambu: All agree to banning WoG based on Direct Messages.

Interviews and Guidebooks:
Qawsedf234, Random-Helper323, RitsuØ1, Elizhaa, DarkDragonMedus, Reiner04, Twilight-OP, Just a Random Butler, FinePoint:, LephyrTheRevanchist, Plank69, Mr. Bambu, Theglassman12: They're all fine with it provided there are no contradictions with the primary source.

(I'll keep this list updated via edits. Let me know if I missed your vote or for it wrong)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Activity Reports:
Reiner04, Twilight-OP and Just a Random Butler: Originally agreed, but later changed to neutral, however, would be fine if other staff agrees too.

FinePoint, LephyrTheRevanchist and Theglassman12: Are fine with them because they're one-sided (FinePoint) and becuase the author makes them out of his own violations with no impact from fans on the Activity Reports.

Plank69: Disagrees with using Acitivty Reports entirely.

Mr. Bambu: Does not outright accept them as legitimate but admits they can sometimes he fine. Ultimately case by case (?)

To be noted, for the myriad time, I only agree with this with the caveat that they still are not contradicting source material, so it's more accurate to put me with Bambu there hell, that's exactly one of the things I quoted and attributed to him

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

To be noted, for the myriad time, I only agree with this with the caveat that they still are not contradicting source material, so it's more accurate to put me with Bambu there hell, that's exactly one of the things I quoted and attributed to him

So you agree, on the condition that the author's answers are consistent with the events of the story, correct?
As I explained before, those author comments and replies were made during the same period when the volumes and chapters were being written, so yes, they are consistent.
And we can review each one individually to confirm that consistency, if you’d like.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I suppose my thoughts on Web Novel Impressions might be the same as Official Interviews/Guidebooks, but I feel as if Activity Reports follows issues with some but not all of the issues with DMs. They tend to be casual responses and might not always been taken seriously, and some authors might respond jokingly. It doesn't suffer the "Private" or "Top secret", but they may still be prone to "Casual response" or "Yesman factor." I mean, their could be some occasion where it's consistent with primary canon or other official works, but there are other cases of terms being grossly misused.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I received permission from DDM to reply to him on his message wall

I suppose my thoughts on Web Novel Impressions might be the same as Official Interviews/Guidebooks, but I feel as if Activity Reports follows issues with some but not all of the issues with DMs. They tend to be casual responses and might not always been taken seriously, and some authors might respond jokingly. It doesn't suffer the "Private" or "Top secret", but they may still be prone to "Casual response" or "Yesman factor." I mean, their could be some occasion where it's consistent with primary canon or other official works, but there are other cases of terms being grossly misused.

I have added your votes.

While yes, the author is admittingly casual when it comes to Activity Reports, there is also the fact that 99% of he activity Reports aren't even something usable for us.

The only few usable things are, for example, when he describes secret/background conversations between characters that got skipped in the official anime adaptation (movie and seasonal adaptations) as "Bonus Parts" (as you can see these bonuses are actually dialogue style short conversations between in-verse characters) and the most "OP" hax I could from that was characters conversing about one of them acquiring a new secret technique, and some water manipulation and resurrection hax for two characters. At least the prior is fully consistent with the actual novel and the latter I don't know becuase I didn't watch the movie (not available outside Japan).

So would it be possible to use them for so long that they don't contradict the main source and have at least some root in the main story?

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

I really don’t understand where these arguments are coming from.

I mean, the comments exist from 2013 to 2016, and it’s literally unlikely that anyone knew about VSBW back then. It’s also unlikely that anyone there at that time wasn’t Japanese.

The matter is completely clear: arguments like “the author’s statement might not align with the events of the novel” are simply not correct here.

You’re assuming the author wrote a Chapter in 1999 and then replied in 2026—but that’s not true. The author responds immediately after a volume is released and even during the writing of the volume itself!

It’s not as if the author is giving strange answers or unrelated ones. The questions asked are literally about the story and events that happen in that specific volume or chapter, and the author often responds in answers longer than five paragraphs—it’s not a short sequential reply or anything trivial.

Therefore, it’s clear that the author’s replies are accurate within the context of the story.

Unless someone is opposing just for the sake of opposition.

Even Agnaa said:

When it's a WoG not asked by a member of our community, it's preferred if it's from an official Q&A, not leading, and has a rather elaborate/serious response. It doesn't need all of these, and this sort of thing should be judged on a case-by-case basis.

Like, I think if someone not from our community asks 'Can this character use this ability to heal?' and the author provides a 5 paragraph answer explaining that they can, but also detailing all the limitations that come with that, we should treat that seriously. Even though one could argue that it's leading/powerscaling-related.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

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I would like to challenge all the people disagreeing with using Web Novel Impressions to produce a single contradiction between an author’s comment about a specific chapter and the chapter itself. The entirety of it is open to you, so there's no availability problem either.

Or to pick up any question related to boosting power levels in context to powerscaling, like higher dimensions or anything of that sort.

Or any question asked by fans (Japanese) that isn’t part of the story or not related to the on-going Story Arc

I mean, if there really are powerscalers filling the Impressions to such an extent that ALL of it would be disallowed, surely it wouldn't be hard to disapprove any of the above challenges, right?

Otherwise not allowing a serious author response completely consistent with what is said in the novel to be treated as a secondary explanation similar to guidebooks, it all seems so unfair.

Why not just ban the web novel itself? Because it is posted on a site where powerscalers CAN come, even if they actually don't. Why not take the "Can" as an absolute forbidden thing.

And bring me a single question that would make the author answer in the way the questioner wants.

We can also review each response individually to approve each one. Is that acceptable?


And also, stop saying that you oppose the use of the author’s words as a whole.

If you object to this point, go ahead and create a topic to add a rule forbidding the use of author’s answers for everything, not just Tensura!

And if we consider the credibility and reliability in the case of Tensura, I consider it better than others at least,

Because the author replies at the same time the chapter is being written or shortly after its release, explaining matters in more than six lines and clarifying things properly.

Come on, I’m waiting for you all to prove your point.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I've given my reasoning. I'm not going to dig through the replies, gradually translating them sloppily, then compare them to unfamiliar context for a verse I don't know.

Staff votes are staff votes. You may disagree with them but not discredit them. Thanks.

 

[Planck69]

This also assumes the issue isn't fundamental to how social media/reply based Word of God works and instead some verse specific rating we agree or disagree with.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

This also assumes the issue isn't fundamental to how social media/reply based Word of God works and instead some verse specific rating we agree or disagree with.

Then why do we allow Twitter/X WoG in some cases, when X is even more prone to powerscaling than Syosetu replies

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Then why do we allow Twitter/X WoG in some cases, when X is even more prone to powerscaling than Syosetu replies

If the thread is made to nuke it broadly, I will vote in favor of it. Generally, stuff is allowed (with evaluation, of course) until it becomes a problem. Ninjago did it, now we are doing it here.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

If the thread is made to nuke it broadly, I will vote in favor of it. Generally, stuff is allowed (with evaluation, of course) until it becomes a problem. Ninjago did it, now we are doing it here.

Also
The case of Ninjago is 100% different from the case of Tensura, so please do not compare them!

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

If the thread is made to nuke it broadly, I will vote in favor of it. Generally, stuff is allowed (with evaluation, of course) until it becomes a problem. Ninjago did it, now we are doing it here.

Since I feel like I’m just talking to a wall,

I have an additional suggestion.

Can I present what we are going to use and have it evaluated?

As Agnaa and everyone said, each one is evaluated individually.

Would that be okay?

Let me know your opinion if you don’t want to, I won’t bother myself further with you and will wait for others.

Thank you!

 

[Planck69]

Then why do we allow Twitter/X WoG in some cases, when X is even more prone to powerscaling than Syosetu replies

I mean, I'd support a harsh restriction or ban on that as well if needed.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Since I feel like I’m just talking to a wall,

I have an additional suggestion.

Can I present what we are going to use and have it evaluated?

As Agnaa and everyone said, each one is evaluated individually.

Would that be okay?

Let me know your opinion if you don’t want to, I won’t bother myself further with you and will wait for others.

Thank you!

For what it's worth, I, too, feel as though I'm speaking to a wall. You've retread ground repeatedly that I already addressed.

We already do that by default. I am voting to just not allow anything that involves commenters. We should not allow it. With the recent issue, Tensura is more at risk than other verses for manipulation, and this sort of thing is already an exceptionally tenuous area of the rules to begin with. My vote is no.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

For what it's worth, I, too, feel as though I'm speaking to a wall. You've retread ground repeatedly that I already addressed.

We already do that by default. I am voting to just not allow anything that involves commenters. We should not allow it. With the recent issue, Tensura is more at risk than other verses for manipulation, and this sort of thing is already an exceptionally tenuous area of the rules to begin with. My vote is no.

No, you’re the only one repeating the same words without understanding. You keep ignoring what I bring up and respond with: Ah, it doesn’t matter, my vote is ‘no.’
And also, haha, what does that have to do with things that appeared more than a decade ago?What does a problem that happened in 2026 have to do with a matter from 2013? Do you even realize what you’re talking about or not?
Stop behaving like this. You yourself said it was massively popular back then and that though it is indeed more popular now, it likely had more editors, but Ant had confirmed it became at least a 100 times more popular.
And you didn’t respond to any of the points I previously raised you just keep saying “no.”These are illogical actions.I asked you to prove your point, and you didn’t, and you even ignored what I said?!
Well done.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

If the thread is made to nuke it broadly, I will vote in favor of it.

Same.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

No, you’re the only one repeating the same words without understanding. You keep ignoring what I bring up and respond with: Ah, it doesn’t matter, my vote is ‘no.’
And also, haha, what does that have to do with things that appeared more than a decade ago?What does a problem that happened in 2026 have to do with a matter from 2013? Do you even realize what you’re talking about or not?
Stop behaving like this. You yourself said it was massively popular back then and that though it is indeed more popular now, it likely had more editors, but Ant had confirmed it became at least a 100 times more popular.
And you didn’t respond to any of the points I previously raised you just keep saying “no.”These are illogical actions.I asked you to prove your point, and you didn’t, and you even ignored what I said?!
Well done.

Take some time off the keyboard. Cool off. You didn't convince me! I do not need to be convinced. "Stop behaving like this" is a childish response to failing to convince someone. I've explained my position over and over again, and you have repeated the same lines. So no, I am not convinced.

If you cannot behave, I'm going to thread ban you. There will be no crashing out over this matter if people disagree.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

And I repeat and say it clearly and to everyone:If you have a problem with accepting or not accepting the use of the author's statements, create a separate thread that talks about this!And don’t keep talking about something that hasn’t even been accepted here and there yet.And I repeat once again:Bring one piece of evidence from the period 2013 to 2016 that contradicts our standards in accepting the author’s statements!Bring one piece of evidence where Fuse is asked about things like higher dimensions or infinite universes or anything like that, which relates to increasing power instead of questions related to the plot and the story itself, in the chapter that was published at that time!Bring one piece of evidence of any question that is not related to the chapter that was released in that period!Bring one piece of evidence of any question that makes the author answer in a way that suits the person who asked the question!If you cannot bring evidence for these points, then why are you objecting?Are you objecting just for the sake of objecting? Or do you not accept the use of the author’s statements? That’s your problem honestly, this is not written at all in the rules, and you should create a thread after this topic is finished!The page is fully in front of you, and you can review it yourself. Don’t claim you don’t have time if you don’t have time, why are you commenting here?You can even ask me to bring only what we will use, and we can evaluate and review it together properly!There are many solutions.But what do you choose?It doesn’t matter, my vote remains: no.And that’s without you even replying or discussing the points I raised.Keep in mind that every series and every case is different on its own, so I don’t need to remind you that we must evaluate each series individually.Provide evidence or don’t vote the matter is simple and clear!
And I repeat for the thousandth time!Fuse responds while writing the novel, and answers the questions that are asked by Japanese readers while reading the novel. Every time Fuse publishes a chapter, the people who read it come, praise him, and ask about things they did not understand or need clarification on. And what does Fuse do? He literally sometimes provides long responses explaining the matter to them, and his replies often exceed 5 lines of explanation and clarification. All of his responses are consistent with the novel nunless you are unable to understand or you ignore the point that he responds to questions during the writing of chapters and after publishing them. This is the strongest and best evidence that Fuse’s responses are fully consistent with the chapter, especially since all the questions are literally related to the plot and the story, not power, but rather the events, the story, and what happens in the chapter. And Fuse explains the matter very well.There is also no question of any kind that makes Fuse respond in a way that suits the person asking the question.And do not ask me to provide evidence, because I cannot provide evidence for something that does not exist.Therefore, you must provide the evidence yourselves regarding this.But let’s assume you do not have time,What if I bring what I need myself?That way, we can properly evaluate what we actually need!Please be reasonable!We conclude that Fuse’s statements are 100% consistent with the story, and we will only use the period from 2013 to 2016, nothing elseunless evidence of the kind I requested is provided!

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Take some time off the keyboard. Cool off. You didn't convince me! I do not need to be convinced. "Stop behaving like this" is a childish response to failing to convince someone. I've explained my position over and over again, and you have repeated the same lines. So no, I am not convinced.

If you cannot behave, I'm going to thread ban you. There will be no crashing out over this matter if people disagree.

It doesn’t matter, I will not respond to you any further than this.
I will wait for more opinions.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

And I repeat and say it clearly and to everyone:If you have a problem with accepting or not accepting the use of the author's statements, create a separate thread that talks about this!And don’t keep talking about something that hasn’t even been accepted here and there yet.And I repeat once again:Bring one piece of evidence from the period 2013 to 2016 that contradicts our standards in accepting the author’s statements!Bring one piece of evidence where Fuse is asked about things like higher dimensions or infinite universes or anything like that, which relates to increasing power instead of questions related to the plot and the story itself, in the chapter that was published at that time!Bring one piece of evidence of any question that is not related to the chapter that was released in that period!Bring one piece of evidence of any question that makes the author answer in a way that suits the person who asked the question!If you cannot bring evidence for these points, then why are you objecting?Are you objecting just for the sake of objecting? Or do you not accept the use of the author’s statements? That’s your problem honestly, this is not written at all in the rules, and you should create a thread after this topic is finished!The page is fully in front of you, and you can review it yourself. Don’t claim you don’t have time if you don’t have time, why are you commenting here?You can even ask me to bring only what we will use, and we can evaluate and review it together properly!There are many solutions.But what do you choose?It doesn’t matter, my vote remains: no.And that’s without you even replying or discussing the points I raised.Keep in mind that every series and every case is different on its own, so I don’t need to remind you that we must evaluate each series individually.Provide evidence or don’t vote the matter is simple and clear!
And I repeat for the thousandth time!Fuse responds while writing the novel, and answers the questions that are asked by Japanese readers while reading the novel. Every time Fuse publishes a chapter, the people who read it come, praise him, and ask about things they did not understand or need clarification on. And what does Fuse do? He literally sometimes provides long responses explaining the matter to them, and his replies often exceed 5 lines of explanation and clarification. All of his responses are consistent with the novel nunless you are unable to understand or you ignore the point that he responds to questions during the writing of chapters and after publishing them. This is the strongest and best evidence that Fuse’s responses are fully consistent with the chapter, especially since all the questions are literally related to the plot and the story, not power, but rather the events, the story, and what happens in the chapter. And Fuse explains the matter very well.There is also no question of any kind that makes Fuse respond in a way that suits the person asking the question.And do not ask me to provide evidence, because I cannot provide evidence for something that does not exist.Therefore, you must provide the evidence yourselves regarding this.But let’s assume you do not have time,What if I bring what I need myself?That way, we can properly evaluate what we actually need!Please be reasonable!We conclude that Fuse’s statements are 100% consistent with the story, and we will only use the period from 2013 to 2016, nothing elseunless evidence of the kind I requested is provided!

Given the continued accusations in this crash out, I have thread banned Ciel_Trinity. I ask any staff to evaluate the thread as usual.

 

[Elizhaa]

1. Web Novel Impressions
   1. For the given timeframe, I think it could be fine
2. Activity Reports
   1. From the one side nature of the reply, I could be fine for the author's statements.
3. Direct Messages
   1. I also disagree; there is no way to check anything.
4. Interviews and Guidebooks
   1. I am fine with this case; these cases largely seem consistent with the story.

 

[RitsuØ1]

Given the continued accusations in this crash out, I have thread banned Ciel_Trinity. I ask any staff to evaluate the thread as usual.

What happens now that the op is thread banned in his own staff thread? Do we just discuss it one-sided?

Should be fine. Though, general sitewide rules regarding WOG are still applicable.

My position on post 2016 WOG is that they should only be considered valid if both the questions and answers originate from direct officials. Any WOG involving regular fans or general audiences, whether directly or indirectly, should be excluded to prevent 'loaded' or manipulative questions. However, real-time interviews with the professional press or at public events are acceptable, since it is nigh impossible to use pre planned, manipulative questions to steer an author toward a specific answer within real time interviews and in such cases, the author’s answers are more likely to reflect genuine narrative intent rather than a coached response to manipulative/scaling/leading questions.

I agree with this but am fine with interviews being usable for clarification purposes.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Guidebooks and interviews should be fine.

 

[FinePoint]

Someone on Discord tried to convince me to support the Web Novel Impressions and was mildly successful in that the various examples they gave did seem to include full detailed answers from the author and reasonable push back, even against questions which seemingly tried to lead them on.

So, for that reason, I wouldn't be entirely upset if we didn't ban those, and they wanted me to say that here.

 

[Agnaa]

Given the continued accusations in this crash out, I have thread banned Ciel_Trinity. I ask any staff to evaluate the thread as usual.

After later consideration, done in consultation with Bambu and Ciel, this thread ban's being overturned.

Ciel claims that they didn't see this post from Bambu before making this post, which is plausible based on the timing.

So, we can treat that as a last warning on this matter. Ciel's thread ban will be removed, and assuming they don't take such an accusatory/inflammatory approach in the future, things should be good.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Your input in this thread would be appreciated.

Leading questions aren't really if a question was from 2012 vs 2026, but the framing of the question itself. There's a difference between asking the author how teleportion works vs suggesting an answer (such as 4D travel) wanting the author to agree with a statement.

Overall I think the conclusions from the OP are fine, but ultimately every fan question would need to be looked at for usability, since there's a difference between a format being valid and every response on that format being valid.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Can someone tell me if 8:4 is enough to close the thread?
Thank you!

 

[Reiner04]

Can someone tell me if 8:4 is enough to close the thread?
Thank you!

7:4. Translation helpers don't have evaluation rights. While 3 is normally enough, there is a subsection within the discussion rules:

It is important to note that this requirement should not be interpreted as a guarantee that the proposed revisions will be approved if a minimum of three staff members have given their approval. In cases involving big or controversial changes, or in situations where a verse is one where many of our staff members are knowledgeable, it may be advisable to involve as many staff members as possible in the review and approval process. This requirement is in place to ensure that revisions to popular or widely-recognized series verses are thoroughly reviewed and approved by a sufficient number of individuals with the necessary expertise and knowledge.

So i will ask the staff in disagreement if they are satisfied with the threads conclusion or if it needs more input, just incase. @Mr. Bambu @LephyrTheRevanchist @Planck69 @Theglassman12

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Votes​

Web Novel Impressions:

Agree (8): Reiner04 and Twilight-OP and Just a Random Butler and DarkDragonMedus and FinePoint and Elizhaa and RitsuØ1 and Qawsedf234

Disagree (4) : Plank69, Mr. Bambu, LephyrTheRevanchist,Theglassman12

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Web Novel Impressions:
Elizhaa, Reiner04, Twilight-OP and Just a Random Butler, RitsuØ1: are fine with it under the set timeline.

Plank69, Mr. Bambu, LephyrTheRevanchist and Theglassman12: Disagree with using it at all.

DarkDragonMedus: Is fine with using them the same way as Interviews and Guidebooks; so long as they do not contradict the Main Source, they are free to be used.

FinePoint: Initially disagreed (but not 100% on his vote) as he explained on discord. Said he could be convinced, and after doing so he agreed to let WN Impressions be used so long that using them doesn't arise problems.

Qawsedf234: Is fine with the OP's proposals.

Ultimately of course this is only allowing a format, not all scenarios of that format, and they all still need to go through the other rules when used.

Activity Reports:
Reiner04, Twilight-OP, Just a Random Butler, RitsuØ1: Originally agreed, but later changed to neutral, however, would be fine if other staff agrees too.

FinePoint and Theglassman12: Are fine with them because they're one-sided (FinePoint) and becuase the author makes them out of his own violations with no impact from fans on the Activity Reports.

Plank69: Disagrees with using Acitivty Reports entirely.

Qawsedf234: Agrees with the Proposals regarding Activity Reports.

LephyrTheRevanchist and Mr. Bambu: Does not outright accept them as legitimate but admits they can sometimes he fine. Ultimately case by case (?)

DarkDragonMedus: Disagrees with using them as they may only have causal or yes-no responses.

Elizhaa: Agrees with the proposals.

Direct Messages
Qawsedf234, Elizhaa, RitsuØ1, DarkDragonMedus, Reiner04, Twilight-OP, Just a Random Butler, FinePoint, LephyrTheRevanchist, Theglassman12, Plank69, Mr. Bambu: All agree to banning WoG based on Direct Messages.

Interviews and Guidebooks:
Qawsedf234, Random-Helper323, RitsuØ1, Elizhaa, DarkDragonMedus, Reiner04, Twilight-OP, Just a Random Butler, FinePoint:, LephyrTheRevanchist, Plank69, Mr. Bambu, Theglassman12: They're all fine with it provided there are no contradictions with the primary source.

So assuming these are the correct votes so far (I only know for certainty my own, so other staff members should clarify if they feel the need to)

Web Novel Impressions are currently:

• 7 votes in favor of using them as outlined in OP (Elizhaa, Reiner, Twilight, Butler, FinePoint, Medeus and Qawsedf)
• 4 votes in favor of not using them at all (Planck, Bambu, Glass and me)

Conclusion: 3 vote difference is enough to pass.

Activity Reports:

• 4 votes in favor as outlined in OP (FinePoint, Glass, Elizhaa and Qawsedf)
• 2 votes rejecting them entirely (Planck and Medeus)
• 2 votes giving extra caveats (Bambu and me)
• 3 votes of neutrality (Reiner, Twilight and Butler)

Conclusion: Needs more discussion

Direct Messages:
- Completely unanimous agreement to ban them

Interviews and Guidebooks:
- Unanimous agreement to accept them, with the usual WoG rules in mind.

So activity reports are the only step left to vote further, unless I'm missing something.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Votes​

Web Novel Impressions:

Agree (8): Reiner04 and Twilight-OP and Just a Random Butler and DarkDragonMedus and FinePoint and Elizhaa and RitsuØ1 and Qawsedf234

Disagree (4) : Plank69, Mr. Bambu, LephyrTheRevanchist,Theglassman12

Ritsu doesn't have thread mod rights

 

[Mr. Bambu]

7:4. Translation helpers don't have evaluation rights. While 3 is normally enough, there is a subsection within the discussion rules:



So i will ask the staff in disagreement if they are satisfied with the threads conclusion or if it needs more input, just incase. @Mr. Bambu @LephyrTheRevanchist @Planck69 @Theglassman12

I believe the three vote difference is sufficient in this case, given the relatively even level of ranks on either side of the debate. You are right that Ritsu's vote is counted in error. The other issues of the thread are more multi-faceted and need more ironing out, though, so it may be better to wait, anyways.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

So assuming these are the correct votes so far (I only know for certainty my own, so other staff members should clarify if they feel the need to)

Web Novel Impressions are currently:

• 7 votes in favor of using them as outlined in OP (Elizhaa, Reiner, Twilight, Butler, FinePoint, Medeus and Qawsedf)
• 4 votes in favor of not using them at all (Planck, Bambu, Glass and me)

Conclusion: 3 vote difference is enough to pass.

Activity Reports:

• 4 votes in favor as outlined in OP (FinePoint, Glass, Elizhaa and Qawsedf)
• 2 votes rejecting them entirely (Planck and Medeus)
• 2 votes giving extra caveats (Bambu and me)
• 3 votes of neutrality (Reiner, Twilight and Butler)

Conclusion: Needs more discussion

Direct Messages:
- Completely unanimous agreement to ban them

Interviews and Guidebooks:
- Unanimous agreement to accept them, with the usual WoG rules in mind.

So activity reports are the only step left to vote further, unless I'm missing something.

Alright then, the current discussion is about the activity reports, and the rest has been accepted.
Also, I believe Rainer and Twilight said they agreed, then moved to neutral, but as Rainer mentioned, they will agree if the others agree.
Is it okay if I count them in the agreement section?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Alright then, the current discussion is about the activity reports, and the rest has been accepted.
Also, I believe Rainer and Twilight said they agreed, then moved to neutral, but as Rainer mentioned, they will agree if the others agree.
Is it okay if I count them in the agreement section?

They can clarify further if they want.

 

[Antvasima]

Which of the areas does Bambu agree or disagree with and why?

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

They can clarify further if they want.

Could you please tag them so they can come?

 

[Reiner04]

Alright then, the current discussion is about the activity reports, and the rest has been accepted.
Also, I believe Rainer and Twilight said they agreed, then moved to neutral, but as Rainer mentioned, they will agree if the others agree.
Is it okay if I count them in the agreement section?

Yeah i did said that for some exceptional case of Activity Report which was presented to me. To be clear i said to "not focus on exceptional cases" since that's was not feasible imo. That said if other staffs voted for it already, i guess you can count my vote for it too.