May I ask why: asking questions that are not even gonna be used on site for scaling or any other use here, is against the rules here? (I would understand if they were used on site, but since they are not, I am just extremely confused, how this can be a rule.)
If the question isn't powerscaling related, we would probably disregard it. The only circumstance I can imagine at this moment where we might rule otherwise is if the user is actively pestering/harassing the author, since this would still fall against the written rule. We don't care if you ask the author what their favorite colors are or what inspired them to make such a gosh darn interesting verse.
I
checked the warning tracker and saw that this isn't their first offense of this kind—they already have multiple warnings and a ban—and this time they came out of nowhere and were completely aggressive. I'm going to ban them permanently. If anyone has any objections, I'm here to discuss it. For now, time to sleep, Tempest.
I would rather a one year ban for TempestDragon. I think that the current atmosphere understandably creates derision, frustration. From our perspective, it is right and good that we maintain the peace of the thread so that we can work through this. But from TempestDragon's perspective, he is being quieted, when he has not had as much a chance to speak. I doubt letting him speak would help, but I think it is a not unreasonable thought. Yes, his decision based on that impetus is unreasonable, and a one year ban for such a blatant display, combined with his past history, is fair. But I would rather not permanently ban him.
The first part of the Be respectful rule says any threatening messages should not be posted. If 2 users are right now feeling creeped out around a person because it now feels like they are being "stalked" by him, then that should be described as threatening. Sorry but there are no excuses for this kind of behavior.
The allegation of stalking is baseless, to use your example. Yoon's screenshots come from a server that one of you guys must have invited him to, as it has been repeatedly pointed out that it was invite only. There's no stalking at hand, people were just caught and want a counter-report. It's petty.
Now about this part, Reporting the users on off-site violations is ok. If it were public information that is. This is a private server. As mentioned by Astral, this server needs people to tell them their vsbw username, send a screenshot of it, and then they will be accepted as a member. If he did join as a member, which it was stated he didn't, this wouldn't be a rule violation. But he didn't join the server. Also, as i said before, this is private information. Let's assume for a second what you say is right, let's say someone in the server thought it was getting out of hand, will they send it to some random member? I'm sure there are a multitude of mods here who also use discord and you can even DM them on vsbw itself, this could've been handled through a message to mods instead of sending it to Mr.Yoon.
On that note, did Mr.Yoon ever explain how he got those screenshots? I ruled out the possibility of another person passing this to Mr.Yoon because they can always DM a mod instead of asking him to report it. Isn't that more logical if they wanted their name to be anonymous?
We are not upholding the rules of the server. It doesn't change our opinion about what constitutes as harassment (in the form of stalking). Someone DMing the information to Yoon also isn't stalking. It would be even less of a situation of stalking than if he
had joined the server. The speculation at work here does not constitute a rule violation.
Don't the rules of vsbw state this directly. He directly invaded an entire private server's users' privacy and leaked private messages from them. Now there could be the issue of sock puppet as well. He also now made 2 members, who are still members and have not received any suspension or ban, feel threatened in real life, which violates the out-of-site rules of vsbw and Be respectful section.
Respectfully, "undue stress" arising from
being reported for your own rule violations is not the kind of stress we're talking about there. I think that the verbiage employed here is blatantly overdramatic. I find this report to be deeply unflattering to make, at this time. He reported evidence of a legitimate rule violation-- we don't especially care whether he was sent it by someone else, or if he was in the server on false pretenses. Doesn't bother us one bit.
Doxing is stated right here. Unless of course you or reiner or any other mod here can
prove that this wasn't doxing or sock puppet and this wasn't an invasion of privacy, i believe many rules were broken here. Please consider this again.
Again I'd like to state this so everyone can see it. The supporters were part of a private server. They needed to mention their vsbw account to join the server. Mr.Yoon's account was not there. So either person from the server, who saw the mess it was in, came out to for some reason send the screenshots to Mr.Yoon. instead or reputable mods like Mr.Bambu and Antvasima, and ask them to make a public report so everyone can see these screenshots, which makes no sense. If I was in the server or anyone was in the server and wanted to release those screenshots I would DM them to some mod and ask them to take action on this. But randomly sending it to another user? And even if it was sent to another user, it could've also been sent to the mods. The mods are better at keeping your identity anonymous as we know. So unless Mr.Yoon can confirm that this was the method used and the person indeed for some reason didn't want to send this to the mod, which i need proof, I would assume this is a sock pupper account and Mr.Yoon has used an alt account to get screenshots from a private server and used them for malicious purposes (trying to get 4-5 members banned). This is doxing, sock puppet, and invasion of privacy and violates 3 rules in the server, and this is other than the Be respectful one where members are now creeped out because of him.
And i'd request the mods to understand the severity of this situation.
Please take your time reading this, as unless what i said can be proven by Mr.Yoon, it all leads to one strict conclusion
Showing screenshots from a Discord server is not Doxing. To compare the two is just an outright lie. I don't believe you're referring to a sock puppet on the wiki, but rather an alt account on Discord, which, again,
we do not care about.
If anything, it is tempting to consider a warning for you for dragging on a report which essentially amounts to harassing a user for making a report against others. This is beyond distasteful and we do have rules against inappropriate RVRT posts; I feel this would certainly qualify, both in terms of an underhanded report and generally wasting time with baseless allegations, that either deliberately misread the rules, or have no concept of their meaning.
For now, I am going to thread-ban this user, on the basis that their report amounts to an attack on another user for reporting information that they felt was sacred, and private. No more drama needs to be stirred out of this debacle.
