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whats the current vote count on this traffic pileup
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The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).
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For sure. Especially when you consider the fact that Conqueror's Haki Infusion alone allows for massive boosts where an individual can deal significant damage to characters they couldn't injure without durability negation prior.
Delusionaltx2
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My brain vro
9 pages...and there's 15 more of this
Can I stop here and vote? Please
I feel so tired I might just sleep and I may just forget this thread exists by tmrw
9 pages...and there's 15 more of this
Can I stop here and vote? Please
I feel so tired I might just sleep and I may just forget this thread exists by tmrw
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Do it, peasant.My brain vro
9 pages...and there's 15 more of this
Can I stop here and vote? Please
I feel so tired I might just sleep and I may just forget this thread exists by tmrw
Kellex
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Honestly considering how it loops in circles after page 12, I do not blame you.My brain vro
9 pages...and there's 15 more of this
Can I stop here and vote? Please
I feel so tired I might just sleep and I may just forget this thread exists by tmrw
Delusionaltx2
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Alright...If there's a revolutionary argument from page 10 onwards idc about it because this thread is way too long
Anyway physically speaking both scale the same in Ap/Dura but nard has a 2x advantage with his stronger ninjutsu (empowerment seems to situational to be used here), a little over that with kurama avatars, and a 6x ap advantage with bijuu bombs
Luffy on the otherhand has 3 layers of AD with a 3.5x combat speed advantage (I think? My brain is fried and I'm on my phone rn) in base and a 4.5x (I think? Again, My brain is fried and I'm on my phone rn) in giant form. He also has a massive LS advantage as well.
Anyway luffy should be able to physically close the AP advantage Naruto has with kurama avatars and stronger ninjutsu through the three layers of AD kachon brought up. I'm also doubtful of rasengans of this level even working on him thanks to his haki coated rubber body just stretching to absorb it.
Bijuu bombs and his strongest attacks seem like more of an issue with their massive AOE however turning them into rubber and reflecting them back would work and I imagine the sheer AOE would be difficult for most of the clones to dodge too
Both seem extremely good at dealing with danger sense and have danger sense of their own so I feel like this point is a neturality that doe nothing for both sides. however luffys danger sense seems to grant speed amps as well which on top of the already massive speed advantage that would be constantly growing thanks to AD is a big issue.
Naruto has no answer to resistance negation from haki so hax from luffys side is fair game so dura neg along with subjective reality will work here. On the other hand the only notable hax that nard brings is TSO EE which can be reliably dodged given the speed gap
Haki as a whole also seems to be different from chakra. Chakra is currently accepted as containing mental energy while haki is willpower. This is like comparing electricity (chakra) to a physical battery (haki). Both the battery and electricity while technically connected, still exist as different states of matter with one being solid and the other being pure energy. Chakra and haki would follow a similar relationship here despite both technically being mental since one is willpower itself while the other is energy derived from ones mind which can technically be tied to willpower in a way but is not inherently willpower. Narutos invulnerability really shouldn't work here
I feel Narutos best chances of winning would probably have to be abusing the time limit by spaming clones. He has far greater stamina since luffy starts in G5 which has a time limit while Naruto can fight for hours. Turning off gear 5 would make him noticably weaker and slower as well...so much so that his speed would become much more manageable and against thousands of clones with AOE attacks 6x more powerful than luffys strongest form id say that's a massive issue. He can also use TSO's defensivly to help with this a bit.
Lastly, with the enormous LS advantage I genuinely think the clones might get crushed by sheer digestion and would absolutely get crushed if luffy twists his body around in a cartonish manner like how he normally does
Overall, luffy is much faster & stronger physically. He brings more to the table with haki and his elasticity than Naruto does with any of his abilities. He would consistently be able to dodge narutos more dangerous attacks and redirect any of the AOE attacks. He stat stomps the clones and can target hordes of them thanks to danmaku along withthe sheer scope of his size and transmutation
Voting luffy FRA
Anyway physically speaking both scale the same in Ap/Dura but nard has a 2x advantage with his stronger ninjutsu (empowerment seems to situational to be used here), a little over that with kurama avatars, and a 6x ap advantage with bijuu bombs
Luffy on the otherhand has 3 layers of AD with a 3.5x combat speed advantage (I think? My brain is fried and I'm on my phone rn) in base and a 4.5x (I think? Again, My brain is fried and I'm on my phone rn) in giant form. He also has a massive LS advantage as well.
Anyway luffy should be able to physically close the AP advantage Naruto has with kurama avatars and stronger ninjutsu through the three layers of AD kachon brought up. I'm also doubtful of rasengans of this level even working on him thanks to his haki coated rubber body just stretching to absorb it.
Bijuu bombs and his strongest attacks seem like more of an issue with their massive AOE however turning them into rubber and reflecting them back would work and I imagine the sheer AOE would be difficult for most of the clones to dodge too
Both seem extremely good at dealing with danger sense and have danger sense of their own so I feel like this point is a neturality that doe nothing for both sides. however luffys danger sense seems to grant speed amps as well which on top of the already massive speed advantage that would be constantly growing thanks to AD is a big issue.
Naruto has no answer to resistance negation from haki so hax from luffys side is fair game so dura neg along with subjective reality will work here. On the other hand the only notable hax that nard brings is TSO EE which can be reliably dodged given the speed gap
Haki as a whole also seems to be different from chakra. Chakra is currently accepted as containing mental energy while haki is willpower. This is like comparing electricity (chakra) to a physical battery (haki). Both the battery and electricity while technically connected, still exist as different states of matter with one being solid and the other being pure energy. Chakra and haki would follow a similar relationship here despite both technically being mental since one is willpower itself while the other is energy derived from ones mind which can technically be tied to willpower in a way but is not inherently willpower. Narutos invulnerability really shouldn't work here
I feel Narutos best chances of winning would probably have to be abusing the time limit by spaming clones. He has far greater stamina since luffy starts in G5 which has a time limit while Naruto can fight for hours. Turning off gear 5 would make him noticably weaker and slower as well...so much so that his speed would become much more manageable and against thousands of clones with AOE attacks 6x more powerful than luffys strongest form id say that's a massive issue. He can also use TSO's defensivly to help with this a bit.
Lastly, with the enormous LS advantage I genuinely think the clones might get crushed by sheer digestion and would absolutely get crushed if luffy twists his body around in a cartonish manner like how he normally does
Overall, luffy is much faster & stronger physically. He brings more to the table with haki and his elasticity than Naruto does with any of his abilities. He would consistently be able to dodge narutos more dangerous attacks and redirect any of the AOE attacks. He stat stomps the clones and can target hordes of them thanks to danmaku along withthe sheer scope of his size and transmutation
Voting luffy FRA
Delusionaltx2
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Anyway my brain is mush
Gn
Gn
Kellex
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Slight correction: Luffy is actually Class P, so Naruto beats him in that category.
Other than that, it's a pretty good analysis!
Bananossauro
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I saw this thread when it had 2 pages, wth.
I never saw a proper counter to reactive evo +speed gap with Future sight, mind reading and all the other bs that kenbun has on top of the other haki advanced versions of duraneg.
Naruto does have a deeper bag than Luffy, but I don't see most of them bypassing the speed gap+Future sight thing Luffy has going for him.
I never saw a proper counter to reactive evo +speed gap with Future sight, mind reading and all the other bs that kenbun has on top of the other haki advanced versions of duraneg.
Naruto does have a deeper bag than Luffy, but I don't see most of them bypassing the speed gap+Future sight thing Luffy has going for him.
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its like 39-32 in favour of naruto and grace is over but this match shouldn't be added to the profiles imo
Trihexa102
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y'all are still doing this? most of the arguments against naruto's are outright just ignoring what he does and overstating Luffy's.
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What makes it even funnier is that when somebody called this a glorified popularity contest they played better defense than Mutombo. I'm sickPeep how 85% of the Naruto votes came from people who think Chakra = Haki even though that was never established as a fact even once in this thread #nooticing
Votes.... no valid arguments
Trihexa102
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I disagree with this but you have made your conclusion, very generous to luffy in that analysis.
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Luffy has on his profile future sight and telepathy and you said Luffy can't do that. I don't wanna hear nothing from you about ignoring what people can do
Trihexa102
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yea future sight which has drawbacks and limits you are pretending don't exist against someone who spamms 2000+ clones.
telepathy that doesn't let him read minds but intent which is something normal in Naruto.
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Trihexa102
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How does this change anything i have said? there are moments when luffy has gotten hit regardless of future sight, because it's not some infallible type of all-seeing future sight.Mind you, you're saying allat while this exists
Just let it go
It hyperfocuses on luffy's target and his Localized area? there will be openings whether you like it or not against someone like naruto.
Trihexa102
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Ok? Luffy future sight scales to around Kat or unquantifiably above, who has about 1-5 secs of future sight which is pretty good. but not enough to grant him any form of overwhelming advantage most are claiming for him here. Especially against some like Naruto who regular fights sharingan user's who fight like they have pseudo-future sight in the perspective of their opponent. Naruto has multiple forms of sensory abilities as well aiding him, he is no slouch man.
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sharingan senses your movements based on muscle spasms
basic kenbun reads your minds
future sight sees the future
stop comparing them
the only people in the entirety of the manga to land a hit on future sight luffy was
A. Kaidou, the other future sight user who blitzed the shit out of him
B. Apoo, who didn't know how to counter an unblockable and undodgeable move
C. Kizaru, the fastest mf we've seen in a while who had to accelerate to land a hit on luffy
cut it out
Trihexa102
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Bringing shanks doesn't help you here, as luffy doesn't scale to his potency of FS/OBVS, and you didn't refute anything with Katakuri's scan? he got hit by flampe the first time and had to focus to dodge her the second time?Wrong
Wrong again
Wrong x3
Giant red X
Do I need to say more?
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Potency of haki abilities doesn't give you new abilities, it just hones them
All of them blatantly see the environment, not just honing in on an individual
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Katakuri having a birds eye view movie of future events isn't a "localized area."
Trihexa102
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There was Flampe man, there was the CP0 who apparently luffy couldn't track, Kizaru who blitzed most of everyone in egghead and Apo.
Basic kenbun reads your intent.
Future sight hyperfocuses and grants near future sight localized to him in an interval of 1-5 secs.
Sharingan can almost compared to future sight by the opponent it was used against in Naruto, so it was basically pseudo-FS.
Trihexa102
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Can you show me the context of this birds eye view?
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bruh both of u just let it go
debate on discord or sum
debate on discord or sum
Trihexa102
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potency can determine range and interval that is how future sight based abilities work as for as i know.
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Katakuri almost getting decked by Snakeman and seeing from an outside perspective of his body in order to dodge.
Trihexa102
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how exactly does that prove a birds eye view? can i see the panel?
Trihexa102
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it's the fact they are pretending like this is a popularity contest for naruto.
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I’m pretty sure the score is 34-38 in favor of Naruto.
It was a close match.Luffy’s side had the better arguments.
It was a close match.
Trihexa102
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has it been grace already?
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Laffy Taffy FRA
Trihexa102
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