The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Setsuna_tenma]

Dormammu is a casually genocidal and absolutely sadistic, arrogant, greedy, and power-hungry megalomaniacal narcissist and tyrannical mass-murderer with a god-complex, yes (his personality is probably the most similar to that of Donald Trump of all Marvel Comics villains, except for that Trump is also braindead, whereas Dormammu is quite clever when he manages to restrain his arrogance), and, for example, he once transformed the entire 616 reality into a literal fascist hellhole.

Obviously I am not saying that Wanda and Dormammu are remotely similar. I am just saying that Wanda reads like a shallow arrogant and quite unsympathetic power-trip without an interesting personality or storyline, and that's it. I basically don't see any worthwhile point to her existence as a character.

dude stop talking about trump. This is about marvel comics not real life do not bring your politics here.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Some of you people seem far too fixated on ridiculous storybreaking powerlevels instead of good, entertaining, positive, and insightful storytelling.

We don’t want stories that are focused on powerscaling, we just want stories that have good powerscaling, like obviously I don’t want a marvel comic that’s just powerscaling, I just want good writing that also comes with good feats

 

[AcidSilver]

Marvel setting up multiple events at the same time leads to the funniest shit sometimes.

Hulk’s comics right now:

Eldtrich creature takes over Hulk’s body and seeks to bring about an eternal Age of Monsters upon Earth in defiance of The One Above All

Meanwhile General Ross:

“THE UNITED STATES FLAG WILL FLY OVER THAT SHITHOLE NATION OF LATVERIA OR SO HELP ME GOD I WILL-

 

[Rgerdeena]

Marvel setting up multiple events at the same time leads to the funniest shit sometimes.

Hulk’s comics right now:

Meanwhile General Ross:

Ross doesn’t care if hulk’s trying to destroy all of creation, he only cares if hulk’s not actually evil

 

[The_Impress]

Minor fix to the Wolverine (Laura Kinney), Kang and name changes

Wolverine (Laura Kinney) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Wolverine_(Laura_Kinney) Presently Marvel has two different Laura Kinney https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Laura_Kinney_(Earth-616) https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Laura_Kinney_(Krakoan_Duplicate)_(Earth-616) Both clear the appearance...

vsbattles.com

kwikk fix

 

[MrKerf]

Didn’t Ross die and it was major plot point that he could only appear as Red Hulk, otherwise it would stain his reputation or something?

 

[Rangoon04]

Some of you people seem far too fixated on ridiculous storybreaking powerlevels instead of good, entertaining, positive, and insightful storytelling.

Ant I hope you know we were joking

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Yeah that was definitely a joke
Obviously I'd love to write for Thor, and I'd make sure he was respected power-wise, but my main priority would be focusing on his characterization as the divine archetype of the righteous warrior. His efforts to remain worthy are why he's my favorite

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. My apologies for misunderstanding then.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

No sweat! Sarcasm can be difficult to pick up on through text alone

 

[AcidSilver]

You ever notice how none of the new generation characters have the run? As in, a run that defines their character and is remembered for how great it was even years after it ends? I saw a post talking about how Miles can never surpass Peter since having a god tier run is the first step of doing so and he just hasn't had it happen yet despite how long he's been around. Sure the OG Bendis Ultimate Spider-Man is liked but ever since Miles got moved over to 616 that run is non canon to modern Miles since his entire past got rewritten which rendered the most important aspect of that run--him replacing Peter--null and void.

Unironically the only new gen characters who gets close is Gwenpool but in like the exact opposite way where her OG run is beloved and everything after is hated because none of them have captured the magic of her introductory run. I guess the same could be said for Ms. Marvel but just like Gwenpool none of her subsequent runs have been treated like absolute must reads for the character.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I personally like Kamala, Miles, and Gwenpool fine, but there are quite a lot of characters that feel hollow and pointless to me, both new and old ones.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

You ever notice how none of the new generation characters have the run? As in, a run that defines their character and is remembered for how great it was even years after it ends? I saw a post talking about how Miles can never surpass Peter since having a god tier run is the first step of doing so and he just hasn't had it happen yet despite how long he's been around. Sure the OG Bendis Ultimate Spider-Man is liked but ever since Miles got moved over to 616 that run is non canon to modern Miles since his entire past got rewritten which rendered the most important aspect of that run--him replacing Peter--null and void.

Unironically the only new gen characters who gets close is Gwenpool but in like the exact opposite way where her OG run is beloved and everything after is hated because none of them have captured the magic of her introductory run. I guess the same could be said for Ms. Marvel but just like Gwenpool none of her subsequent runs have been treated like absolute must reads for the character.

Ironically, both Gwenpool and Ms. Marvel got retconned into being mutants. That's probably just a coincidence, but I felt like pointing that out.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Ironically, both Gwenpool and Ms. Marvel got retconned into being mutants. That's probably just a coincidence, but I felt like pointing that out.

To be fair Gwenpool retconned herself into being a mutant, I don't think it's the same.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Wanda's new love interest reminds me of Guy Gardner...

 

[Excellence616]

Wanda's new love interest reminds me of Guy Gardner...

That time I got reincarnated as Guy Gardner and dated a witch

 

[Rgerdeena]

Wanda's new love interest reminds me of Guy Gardner...

How dare she ditch vision for a DC character

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Wanda's new love interest reminds me of Guy Gardner...

The bowl cut

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Brief preview of some of the goals I've made during my 2300 issue Thor mythos project

Pages to make/seriously overhaul

1. --Enchantress (1-A with magic, can evenly fight Nightmare in his own realm and mortally wound Yggdrasil)
2. --Kurse (at least Low 1-A. Empowered by the Beyonder to be physically twice as strong as Thor)--
3. Mangog (at least Low 1-A. Consistently comparable or superior to Skyfathers)--
4. The Destroyer (Varies depending on its activation, up to 1-A, low 1-A at minimum. Gets stronger each time it's activated and can be further amped depending on the pilot)
5. --Desak (1-A. Absorbed hundreds of pantheons and was a comparable threat to the Celestials according to SS Loki)
6. --Classic Loki (Up to 1-A with magic)
7. --Utgard Gods (At least 1-A+, possibly High 1-A. Comparable to one another and Utgard-Loki casually created a realm that transcends Multi-Eternity)
8. --Tiwaz (At least 1-A+, possibly High 1-A. Can stalemate Utgard in its entirety)
9. --Sigurd Jarlson (9-B, bullet timer)
10. --Thor Odinson (flesh out Dura, Speed, AP; add Hulkfather key? add Elder God scaling)
11. --Jane Foster Thor (possibly add up to 1-A for blocking Shuma-Gorath)
12. --War Thor/Volstagg (scales to Jane Foster Thor)
13. --Norns (1-A, far above Skyfathers, implied to create the physical comic panels)
14. --Absorbing Man (up to Low 1-A by absorbing Odinforce)
15. --Skurge (emphasis on Bloodaxe being a Skyfather+ tier weapon)
16. --Eric Masterson Thor (downscaling from Thor)
17. --Thunderstrike (downscaling from Thor)
18. --The Designate/Thor Girl (far stronger than Odin)
19. --Donald Blake (At least Low 1-A as the Serpent, singlehandedly defeated all of Asgard)
20. --Magni
21. --Ares
22. --Ymir (comparable to Galactus, described as the strongest thing Thor has ever fought in 2009)
    
    
    I'll provide a deep dive into tiering and justifications when the time comes. Just thought I'd give a heads up of what to expect in a few months

 

[Rangoon04]

Brief preview of some of the goals I've made during my 2300 issue Thor mythos project

Pages to make/seriously overhaul

1. --Enchantress (1-A with magic)
2. --Kurse (at least Low 1-A)--
3. Mangog (at least Low 1-A)--
4. The Destroyer (Varies depending on its activation, up to 1-A, low 1-A at minimum)
5. --Desak (1-A)
6. --Classic Loki (Up to 1-A with magic)
7. --Utgard Gods (At least 1-A+, possibly High 1-A)
8. --Tiwaz (At least 1-A+, possibly High 1-A)
9. --Sigurd Jarlson (9-B, bullet timer)
10. --Thor Odinson (flesh out Dura, Speed, AP; add Hulkfather key? add Elder God scaling)
11. --Jane Foster Thor (possibly add up to 1-A)
12. --War Thor/Volstagg (scales to Jane Foster Thor)
13. --Norns (1-A, far above Skyfathers, implied to create the physical comic panels)
14. --Absorbing Man (up to Low 1-A by absorbing Odinforce)
15. --Skurge (emphasis on Bloodaxe being a Skyfather+ tier weapon)
16. --Eric Masterson Thor (downscaling from Thor)
17. --Thunderstrike (downscaling from Thor)
18. --The Designate/Thor Girl (far stronger than Odin)
19. --Donald Blake (At least Low 1-A as the Serpent, singlehandedly defeated all of Asgard)
20. --Magni
21. --Ares
22. --Ymir (comparable to Galactus, described as the strongest thing Thor has ever fought in 2009)
    
    
    I'll provide a deep dive into tiering and justifications when the time comes. Just thought I'd give a heads up of what to expect in a few months

How far are you into this project, in terms of the reading?

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

How far are you into this project, in terms of the reading?

Pretty close! About 80% done. I'm in 2011 right now with teamups and have already finished all of Thor's solo series appearances. I've gathered about five GB of scans

 

[Re5yh]

I'm currently working on the profile cause It's a major character for Black Panther

Re5yh/Bast (Marvel Comics)

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Tomfer]

I'm currently working on the profile cause It's a major character for Black Panther

Re5yh/Bast (Marvel Comics)

vsbattles.fandom.com

There's a few problems I got, a few obvious ones are lack of references but I assume you'll work on that eventually. But the "Should be compared to the moon god Khonshu" doesn't show why she would be comparable there. Also, the fact that is HEAVILY said that Khonshu is not really a mythologic god, just an elder god playing for fun shows that Khonshu shouldn't be used as justification for them.

But then again, I'm not a outversal slob enjoyer, so someone can correct me.

Also, 8-A is not building level, it's 8-C (and BP might be downgraded back to 9-A).

 

[Abduwoah]

What is spider-man's best feat in interms of his spider sense?

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

There's a few problems I got, a few obvious ones are lack of references but I assume you'll work on that eventually. But the "Should be compared to the moon god Khonshu" doesn't show why she would be comparable there. Also, the fact that is HEAVILY said that Khonshu is not really a mythologic god, just an elder god playing for fun shows that Khonshu shouldn't be used as justification for them.

But then again, I'm not a outversal slob enjoyer, so someone can correct me.

Also, 8-A is not building level, it's 8-C (and BP might be downgraded back to 9-A).

Checks out with your Khonshu comment. I just think it's really funny that he's essentially an adult that just hangs out with children to flex on them

 

[Rgerdeena]

What is spider-man's best feat in interms of his spider sense?

Um, depends on what specifically you’re looking for, his spider sense does a lot of different things that aren’t directly comparable

 

[Rgerdeena]

Checks out with your Khonshu comment. I just think it's really funny that he's essentially an adult that just hangs out with children to flex on them

Doesn’t Thor do that except for slightly different reasons

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Doesn’t Thor do that except for slightly different reasons

That's pretty much Thor's dynamic with the Avengers but for less arrogant reasons haha
He always talks about how he joined the Avengers in order to learn how to hold back...which definitely worked

 

[Abduwoah]

Um, depends on what specifically you’re looking for, his spider sense does a lot of different things that aren’t directly com. Range of his spider sense in terms of distance and how early it can detect danger

 

[Rgerdeena]

for distance the best thing I’ve come across so far is that it told him that green goblin was in the same city as him, other good examples are that it told him a street was empty of people and that it told him when someone called him

For how early it warns him of danger there’s a time when it was going off a page and a half before the fake human torch attacked him and there’s also a time when it warned him like a page before doctor octopus committed a crime and there’s a time that it warned him a page before giant attacked

Apologies for my lack of good examples I’ve only gotten to 1968 for my read through for him so far

 

[Sparkive]

I'm currently working in a overhaul for Lightmaster.

 

[Tyranno223]

That's pretty much Thor's dynamic with the Avengers but for less arrogant reasons haha
He always talks about how he joined the Avengers in order to learn how to hold back...which definitely worked

He now holds back so hard he literally forgets he's holding back.

 

[Eseseso]

Just a heads up to anyone on my Marvel discord server, I am currently more or less locked out of Discord and have been for the past 15 hours or so, which is why I haven't been responding.

Basically since I moved outside of the US I tried removing the US phone number on my profile, only for Discord to demand phone verification. When I went to support and even gave them my new foreign phone number, they claimed my phone number was "ineligible for verification". So I'm trying to get this figured out as the Discord support remains as useful as a hole in the head.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Just a heads up to anyone on my Marvel discord server, I am currently more or less locked out of Discord and have been for the past 15 hours or so, which is why I haven't been responding.

Basically since I moved outside of the US I tried removing the US phone number on my profile, only for Discord to demand phone verification. When I went to support and even gave them my new foreign phone number, they claimed my phone number was "ineligible for verification". So I'm trying to get this figured out as the Discord support remains as useful as a hole in the head.

That sucks, I hope you figure it out soon

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, I also hope for the best for you.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

He now holds back so hard he literally forgets he's holding back.

That sounds like a joke but it isn't when the Avengers were getting stomped by Orka he realized that he'd been pulling his punches for so long that he'd actually forgotten how strong he really was. He then oneshot Orka, who had treated Vision and Iron Man like toys

 

[Eseseso]

Finally got back into Discord, thank heavens.

 

[Legion350]

Is there a blog or sandbox outlining the plans for skyfather & herald tiering?

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Is there a blog or sandbox outlining the plans for skyfather & herald tiering?

Not yet--I'm planning on building one for Thor/Skyfather stuff as soon as I'm done with my actual readthrough. Maybe another two months or so since I need to go through and organize all of the feats into tier bins for a consistency analysis. I've collected several thousand scans so it'll take a while to process them

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Eseseso's Low 1-A Skyfather downgrade and Mystic Cosmology stuff will probably be done before mine btw