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Wow... so many leading questions attempting to bait him into saying that every appearance of The One Above All is an avatar to dismiss anti-feats.Murewa explain that toaa power level is depended on plot.
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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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Heads up that I'm very nearly done with mystic cosmology, and asides from needing to figure one thing out with Profectus I'm mostly figuring out who loses their 1-A status and what the Heralds will be at high-end since their Low 1-C will be invalid.
Silver Surfer does have a Low 2-C feat...
Silver Surfer does have a Low 2-C feat...
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High 3-A was the precious High Herald tier so they would just go back to that since they have shaking the universe, multiverse and realm feats. They could be Low 2-C since you said Silver Surfer got one.
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It'd help if there were other Low 2-C feats to back up that tier
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Hulk’s got a few, but hulk’s hulk so that doesn’t work
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Are you changing Asgard’s dimensionality then?
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as far as I’m aware it’s more so that herald tier characters don’t scale to it since Thor holds back, an argument can be made for Asgard being higher then 5 dimensional but I’m not sure if anyone’s planning on upgrading Asgard’s dimensionality
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I am going to upgrade Asgard but yes the Heralds will no longer scale to it. The Low 1-C stuff will basically be reversed (which has been a long time coming)
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You’ll be better off making a feat-collection thread for the replaced tier then
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With the scans we've collected it's looking like Asgard is at least High 1-B, good chance at Low 1-A. Just from my own research I've got maybe two dozen statements across decades about how Asgard exists beyond space and time
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I've been feat gathering. Right now I am thinking High 3-A will replace the 3-C and Low 1-C tiers. I've mentioned before how I dislike the Herald split, but furthermore, many of the 3-C feats really should be High 3-A since they involve shaking the universe.
Some Heralds will scale, mostly those with Skyfather Tier scaling themselves, but ultimately the vast majority will be completely separate from Thor's scaling chains.
I might make a feat-gathering thread in the future, but I don't know if I should wait for the cosmology and Thor revisions others have planned to finish or not.
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For my part, I say bless you for doing Herald scaling separate from Thor. The only one that consistently downscales from him is peak Silver Surfer so I think it makes everything easier if they're just relative to each other
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Silver Surfer is an interesting case since half the time it's implied Thor is far stronger and half the time it's implied Silver Surfer is far stronger. I'm going to read through Silver Surfer appearances, but I'd appreciate the help of anyone especially knowledgeable on Silver Surfer to evaluate his scaling to Thor.
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I'll post the relevant scans I have on Monday in the discord
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Scarlet Witch is being pretty showoff-y lately
Zatanna still solos of course
- Outright busted a planet
- Amplifies the Vision's beam, allowing him to wanda blow off top of a galaxy-sized structure and reach speeds of over 100,000 times the speed of light (
this one kinda sounds like powerscaling-coded writing)
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I mean herald tier characters do that kind of stuff all the time, but yeah she’s definitely making way too big of a deal out of doing itScarlet Witch is being pretty showoff-y lately
- Outright busted a planet
- Amplifies the Vision's beam, allowing him to wanda blow off top of a galaxy-sized structure and reach speeds of over 100,000 times the speed of light (
this one kinda sounds like powerscaling-coded writing)
Zatanna still solos of course
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Yeah not denying that her one shotting oshtur is very impressive, it’s just that her and vision making a big deal about the whole knocking off the top of a small galaxy sized thing and going 100000 times the speed of light is silly, since it seemed to be a semi causal feat and it makes no sense to make a big deal about causal feats, it’s better to make a big deal about peak feats since peak feats are coolerWell, she easily oneshot the elder goddess Oshtur, leader of the Vishanti. That is quite impressive.
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I don't really think this is powerscaling-coded because she's way above that, but you're kinda right. Truth is Wanda fans always beg for "hype moments" from writers, so they're just giving them whatever sounds cool.
But personally, I think the rule of cool is cool, so I'm cool with that.
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Honestly I've never seen a writer specify how many times above the speed of light a feat is lolI don't really think this is powerscaling-coded because she's way above that, but you're kinda right. Truth is Wanda fans always beg for "hype moments" from writers, so they're just giving them whatever sounds cool.
But personally, I think the rule of cool is cool, so I'm cool with that.
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I mean, that's just the new "and he can lift 100 tons" from the 70s and 80s.
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yeah, honestly most faster the light feats don’t actually say they’re going faster then light, let alone the exact amount faster then light
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i think it’s a little different though, since it’s normally guide books that say they can lift 100 tons
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Marvel can be strange sometimes .
In Avengers (Vol. 9 17-18), they have Hyperion traveling at nearly the speed of light from Pluto to Earth, and apparently and Iron Man points out that it would be almost impossible to intercept him.
Similarly, in Fantastic Four (Vol. 7 23-24), there's a whole theme of microscopic ships traveling at nearly the speed of light,
and both cases highlight the fact that for those traveling at that speed, they experience time dilation. (Reed, in a matter of hours, ends up at the end of the universe and sees his son as a god).
In the grand scheme of things, it's probably nothing, but I read them recently after reading everything related to Blood Hunt, and I wanted to mention it.
In Avengers (Vol. 9 17-18), they have Hyperion traveling at nearly the speed of light from Pluto to Earth, and apparently and Iron Man points out that it would be almost impossible to intercept him.
Similarly, in Fantastic Four (Vol. 7 23-24), there's a whole theme of microscopic ships traveling at nearly the speed of light,
and both cases highlight the fact that for those traveling at that speed, they experience time dilation. (Reed, in a matter of hours, ends up at the end of the universe and sees his son as a god).
In the grand scheme of things, it's probably nothing, but I read them recently after reading everything related to Blood Hunt, and I wanted to mention it.
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according to avenger’s roll call, aggomatto emerged from one of oshtur’s tears, so I doubt he has a fatherBy the way, Oshtur is obviously Agamotto's mother, but has it ever been established if Hoggoth is Agamotto's father?
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Bro is gonna get Marvel SCPed
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Bro is gonna get Marvel SCPed
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Oh dang, that devil emoji looks way creepier then I thought it wouldwe’ll be sneaky about it, no one will realize we’re doing it, not like we said we’re doing it here or anything
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I'll check back here in ten years when I'm writing for Thor
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Make sure to clarify that Thor is outerversal while holding back so that every herald gets an outerversal upscale
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Roger Roger
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Anyway, it seems like Wanda and Clea are planned to cooperate to attempt to permanently kill a weakened Dormammu within the Dark Dimension.
I am not remotely crying any tears for Dormammu, who is an absolutely despicable complete monster, but I do not find Wanda particularly sympathetic either, nor do I see any point with the character other than hollow powertripping.
I am not remotely crying any tears for Dormammu, who is an absolutely despicable complete monster, but I do not find Wanda particularly sympathetic either, nor do I see any point with the character other than hollow powertripping.
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Sigh. Like that'll ever stick for any time. Best we'll get is 4 issues of Dormammu series, akin to Knull
cough read Sentry coughSome of you people seem far too fixated on ridiculous storybreaking powerlevels instead of good, entertaining, positive, and insightful storytelling.
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My guy Wanda is a tad arrogant and ruthless, Dormammu is a murderer. They're not the same.Anyway, it seems like Wanda and Clea are planned to cooperate to attempt to permanently kill a weakened Dormammu within the Dark Dimension.
I am not remotely crying any tears for Dormammu, who is an absolutely despicable complete monster, but I do not find Wanda particularly sympathetic either, nor do I see any point with the character other than hollow powertripping.
The Cloak of Levitation only exists because a sorceress nearly died preventing Dormammu from enslaving an innocent race. He's even tried destroying his own dimension out of pure spiteful rage on multiple occasions.
In the 2023 comic he wanted Strange to watch him slowly kill an innocent man.
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Dormammu is a casually genocidal and absolutely sadistic, arrogant, greedy, and power-hungry megalomaniacal narcissist and tyrannical mass-murderer with a god-complex, yes (his personality is probably the most similar to that of Donald Trump of all Marvel Comics villains, except for that Trump is also braindead, whereas Dormammu is quite clever when he manages to restrain his arrogance), and, for example, he once transformed the entire 616 reality into a literal fascist hellhole.
Obviously I am not saying that Wanda and Dormammu are remotely similar. I am just saying that Wanda reads like a shallow arrogant and quite unsympathetic power-trip without an interesting personality or storyline, and that's it. I basically don't see any worthwhile point to her existence as a character.
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