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The Hollow knight is not genderless

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the source that is currently cited for the hollow knight being gender less is a deleted team cherry livestream where one of the hosts says “I believe they have no gender” first and foremost this probably isn’t canon (due to it being deleted) but if you insist on that being canon, It doesn’t exactly confirm anything. I had to do a deep dive for more sources. All I could find was a statement about hornet being “the gendered child” but this doesn’t necessitate the hollow knight not having a gender. Zote has a gender. And Zote is implied to be a void being(he gives off void particles when defeated in his grey prince zote form.) but up to this point I have ignored the elephant in the room. “Knight” is a gendered term. The mere fact that the hollow knight is a “Knight” should prove that it’s a male. I heard some people saying “team cherry referred to the mantis sisters as lords” but that argument wouldn’t support the hollow knight being genderless. It would merely mean that the hollow knight’s gender is unknown due to team cherry using chivalric titles incorrectly.
(Before criticizing my statements. Please consider that any confusion stems from Team cherry’s incorrect usage of chivalric titles. Not me noticing that Knight is a gendered term. And the fact that the sources for the vessels being genderless are very dubious)
(Also the source for the shade knight being genderless is a reddit thread that my phone says doesn’t exist. So I’m not entirely sure it exists.)
 
..."Knight"... a gendered term...
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All right, putting it bluntly, "Knight" is not gendered. "Dame" is the female term a Knight was called. You want the male equivalent? "Sir". A Knight is a Knight. There's no gendered name here.
 
DaReaperMan said:
..."Knight"... a gendered term...
tenor.gif

All right, putting it bluntly, "Knight" is not gendered. "Dame" is the female term a Knight was called. You want the male equivalent? "Sir". A Knight is a Knight. There's no gendered name here.
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Real.
DaReaperMan said:
But you already have touched it with a 10.9361 yard pole! You commented here!
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Retracted.
 
DaReaperMan said:
..."Knight"... a gendered term...
tenor.gif

All right, putting it bluntly, "Knight" is not gendered. "Dame" is the female term a Knight was called. You want the male equivalent? "Sir". A Knight is a Knight. There's no gendered name here.
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I don’t know what dictionary you are using but all the dictionaries I can find have it as a gendered term(which makes sense because it is a chivalric title.) though I may ignore that if you would cite a source stating that vessels do not have gender and maybe we can use that source instead of the incomplete links that currently justify the knights and the Hollow knights “genderless” status. A status that requires evidence in favor of it due to the overwhelming amount of gendered language reffering to the hollow knight.

Source for knight being a gendered term
www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of KNIGHT

a mounted man-at-arms serving a feudal superior; especially : a man ceremonially inducted into special military rank usually after completing service as page and squire; a man honored by a sovereign for merit and in Great Britain ranking below a baronet… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com www.merriam-webster.com
dictionary.cambridge.org

knight

1. a man given a rank of honour by a head of state in some countries because of…
dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary.cambridge.org

Knight Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary

KNIGHT meaning: 1 : 32791; 2 : 3
www.britannica.com www.britannica.com

The only definition I could find that says knight is not a gendered term is Wikipedia. But Wikipedia is an unreliable source of information so I don’t use it.
 
LandonTheGuy said:
how much was a yard again?
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3 feet/0.9144 meters.
Inuyasha5 said:
the source that is currently cited for the hollow knight being gender less is a deleted team cherry livestream where one of the hosts says “I believe they have no gender” first and foremost this probably isn’t canon (due to it being deleted) but if you insist on that being canon, It doesn’t exactly confirm anything. I had to do a deep dive for more sources. All I could find was a statement about hornet being “the gendered child” but this doesn’t necessitate the hollow knight not having a gender. Zote has a gender. And Zote is implied to be a void being(he gives off void particles when defeated in his grey prince zote form.) but up to this point I have ignored the elephant in the room. “Knight” is a gendered term. The mere fact that the hollow knight is a “Knight” should prove that it’s a male. I heard some people saying “team cherry referred to the mantis sisters as lords” but that argument wouldn’t support the hollow knight being genderless. It would merely mean that the hollow knight’s gender is unknown due to team cherry using chivalric titles incorrectly.
(Before criticizing my statements. Please consider that any confusion stems from Team cherry’s incorrect usage of chivalric titles. Not me noticing that Knight is a gendered term. And the fact that the sources for the vessels being genderless are very dubious)
(Also the source for the shade knight being genderless is a reddit thread that my phone says doesn’t exist. So I’m not entirely sure it exists.)
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No.
 
Inuyasha5 said:
I don’t know what dictionary you are using but all the dictionaries I can find have it as a gendered term(which makes sense because it is a chivalric title.) though I may ignore that if you would cite a source stating that vessels do not have gender and maybe we can use that source instead of the incomplete links that currently justify the knights and the Hollow knights “genderless” status. A status that requires evidence in favor of it due to the overwhelming amount of gendered language reffering to the hollow knight.

Source for knight being a gendered term
www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of KNIGHT

a mounted man-at-arms serving a feudal superior; especially : a man ceremonially inducted into special military rank usually after completing service as page and squire; a man honored by a sovereign for merit and in Great Britain ranking below a baronet… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com www.merriam-webster.com
dictionary.cambridge.org

knight

1. a man given a rank of honour by a head of state in some countries because of…
dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary.cambridge.org

Knight Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary

KNIGHT meaning: 1 : 32791; 2 : 3
www.britannica.com www.britannica.com

The only definition I could find that says knight is not a gendered term is Wikipedia. But Wikipedia is an unreliable source of information so I don’t use it.
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And you want to know where I got it from? Shit like Order of the Hatchet. Medieval sources are famously shaky as ****. I've had to find sizes for a Medieval town and that shit was hair-ripping hard.
Planck69 said:
This is the most pedantic post I have ever seen made on this site, and that says a lot.

The devs confirmed it. Your weird hang up over a term that's been used in a neutral sense across fiction and real life isn't trumping that.
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Also this.
 
Planck69 said:
This is the most pedantic post I have ever seen made on this site, and that says a lot.

The devs confirmed it. Your weird hang up over a term that's been used in a neutral sense across fiction and real life isn't trumping that.
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Does that mean we should add a note about how chivalric titles work in hollow knight to the verse page?
 
The Hollow Knight, and all of the Vessels, are in fact genderless. This is not up for debate. Hornet's uniqueness as the Pale King's sole gendered child is even a title for her.

Zote is not at all connected to the Vessels or the Pale King, he's just a regular bug. This can be seen in the fact that he can speak, which the Vessels explicitly cannot do. I don't intend to get into debating such a widely-accepted fact of HK's lore.

It sounds like you're just really into chivalric titles, but the concept of the female knight is incredibly popular, and you'll find knights of any gender all over this wiki and in fiction generally. Being dubbed the "Hollow Knight" does not suggest any gender, and I highly doubt this thread will go anywhere.
 
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