Downgrading the best MHS verse, Killer Peter

[Aksh_sky]

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[Vzearr]

Okay, so, I disagree with the calculation. I don't really care about the OP's reasons as of current because I'm waiting for a game to download and it's almost done, so I'll make it quick.

The calculation assumes that every distance moved is faster then a high speed camera. When the distance varies, the speed varies, the timeframe varies, etc.

 

[Aksh_sky]

The calculation assumes that every distance moved is faster then a high speed camera. When the distance varies, the speed varies, the timeframe varies, etc.

Yes that's also a point but apart from that, In the series, those same charecters or in-fact faster charecters are clearly getting tracked by NORMAL CAMERAS, Which aren't even ultra-slow motion one which the calc assumes and that didn't just happened once but multiple times, in-fact we literally got showings of literally the fastest charecter in the verse getting tracked by a normal cctv camera.

 

[Aksh_sky]

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[Aksh_sky]

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[Arthur_Nando444]

I agree about discarding the HHS and MHS calculations from the verse, since due to our current guidelines, these calculations would be wrong anyway.

Regarding the mentioned anti-feats, I'd say I don't quite agree; Alipede isn't enough when there are more transonic/supersonic feats, like Peter's and Sang-woo's Mach cones (this is VERY early on).

 

[Aksh_sky]

I agree about discarding the HHS and MHS calculations from the verse, since due to our current guidelines, these calculations would be wrong anyway.

Regarding the mentioned anti-feats, I'd say I don't quite agree; Alipede isn't enough when there are more transonic/supersonic feats, like Peter's and Sang-woo's Mach cones (this is VERY early on).

There's legit no transonic or supersonic feats. Check the profile if u want.

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

I'm referring to this kind of thing; these are just a few examples of characters creating Mach waves.
Scans

And the way they're drawn, you can conclude that the characters are breaking the sound barrier.
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[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

There's legit no transonic or supersonic feats. Check the profile if u want.

Killer Peter speed calculations are so stupid, they are subsonic and suddenly it goes to mach 39, i completely agree all of it should be taken out directly to subsonic or transonic (if the mach cones Arthur_Nando444 mentioned are valid)

I'm referring to this kind of thing; these are just a few examples of characters creating Mach waves.
Scans

And the way they're drawn, you can conclude that the characters are breaking the sound barrier.
Scan

 

[Aksh_sky]

I'm referring to this kind of thing; these are just a few examples of characters creating Mach waves.
Scans

And the way they're drawn, you can conclude that the characters are breaking the sound barrier.
Scan

None of these implies, states or proves mach speed, buddy. That's not how it works.

Also, Simon cutting the bullet was calced at subsonic.

 

[CatLover313]

None of these implies, states or proves mach speed, buddy. That's not how it works.

Also, Simon cutting the bullet was calced at subsonic.

I did recalc it to Subsonic+ using the new ang-size method but it hasn't been evaluated.

Also (a reply to another comment), pretty sure mach cones require a statement for it to be a legitimate mach cone (thread here). I'd assume it's the same for a mach wave

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

None of these implies, states or proves mach speed, buddy. That's not how it works.

Also, Simon cutting the bullet was calced at subsonic.

You didn't quite understand my point about Simon.

Simon's feat regarding the speed of the bullet (even if the calculation is wrong) is subsonic, but what I mean is the way the bullet is portrayed. The shot is clearly supersonic and appears to cause Mach waves, and the artistic way it's depicted is extremely similar to the fight between Sang Woo and Peter. Even Yukia did similar things, so I conclude that they are genuine Mach waves

I did recalc it to Subsonic+ using the new ang-size method but it hasn't been evaluated.

Also (a reply to another comment), pretty sure mach cones require a statement for it to be a legitimate mach cone (thread here). I'd assume it's the same for a mach wave

It's not necessary to explicitly state whether a strike is supersonic or not; the topic itself cites a calculation from Attack on Titan of a feat by the Titan throwing a rock, assuming supersonic speed due to the Mach wave, even if it's not explicitly stated. So yes, it is possible to assert that such a supersonic object is based on its Mach wave without having a direct statement.

 

[Crimsonobu]

You didn't quite understand my point about Simon.

Simon's feat regarding the speed of the bullet (even if the calculation is wrong) is subsonic, but what I mean is the way the bullet is portrayed. The shot is clearly supersonic and appears to cause Mach waves, and the artistic way it's depicted is extremely similar to the fight between Sang Woo and Peter. Even Yukia did similar things, so I conclude that they are genuine Mach waves.



It's not necessary to explicitly state whether a strike is supersonic or not; the topic itself cites a calculation from Attack on Titan of a feat by the Titan throwing a rock, assuming supersonic speed due to the Mach wave, even if it's not explicitly stated.

alot of non supersonic verses have the same cones. it shouldnt be indicative of supersonic speed.

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

alot of non supersonic verses have the same cones. it shouldnt be indicative of supersonic speed.

That depends on how it's portrayed. In this case, the waves that Peter and Sang-woo create are similar, or even identical, to the waves created by the bullet that Simon passes through (an object that is clearly traveling at supersonic speeds), so I would say it's plausible to consider them supersonic.

 

[Aksh_sky]

You didn't quite understand my point about Simon.

Simon's feat regarding the speed of the bullet (even if the calculation is wrong) is subsonic, but what I mean is the way the bullet is portrayed. The shot is clearly supersonic and appears to cause Mach waves, and the artistic way it's depicted is extremely similar to the fight between Sang Woo and Peter. Even Yukia did similar things, so I conclude that they are genuine Mach waves


It's not necessary to explicitly state whether a strike is supersonic or not; the topic itself cites a calculation from Attack on Titan of a feat by the Titan throwing a rock, assuming supersonic speed due to the Mach wave, even if it's not explicitly stated. So yes, it is possible to assert that such a supersonic object is based on its Mach wave without having a direct statement.

1. Idk what ur even talking about. It's literally accepted at subsonic and ur somehow claiming it's supersonic.

2. The second calc is extremely old and can be taken down if a crt is made against it.

 

[Crimsonobu]

That depends on how it's portrayed. In this case, the waves that Peter and Sang-woo create are similar, or even identical, to the waves created by the bullet that Simon passes through (an object that is clearly traveling at supersonic speeds), so I would say it's plausible to consider them supersonic.

this presupposes that the portrayals are similar (they arent) ones a solid cone and the other looks like light gusts. even levan whos > the character being shown by alot considered bullet speed catching inhuman while drug amped. especially since the verse has showcase abominable anti feats and stated they cant move out the way of shotguns as a top tier (which peter needed to move 2 meters before a shotgun bullet moved the same distance) etc etc. this verse doesnt have enough consistent good feats to get A tiers that high

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

1. Idk what ur even talking about. It's literally accepted at subsonic and ur somehow claiming it's supersonic.

1 - don't know if you have serious interpretation problems or if you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm saying that THE BULLET IS TRAVELING AT SUPERSONIC SPEEDS, and I'm using the way it's portrayed as an argument. The "subsonic" part refers to Simon's estimated speed for cutting the bullet, something unrelated to what I want to say.

2. The second calc is extremely old and can be taken down if a crt is made against it.

2 - It's up to the verse's defenders and members of the calculation groups to say whether it's still usable or not. If it's remained for so long, it's because nobody realized it was wrong, but it's still there and I can use it as an argument until they say otherwise.

 

[Aksh_sky]

1 - don't know if you have serious interpretation problems or if you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm saying that THE BULLET IS TRAVELING AT SUPERSONIC SPEEDS, and I'm using the way it's portrayed as an argument. The "subsonic" part refers to Simon's estimated speed for cutting the bullet, something unrelated to what I want to say.


2 - It's up to the verse's defenders and members of the calculation groups to say whether it's still usable or not. If it's remained for so long, it's because nobody realized it was wrong, but it's still there and I can use it as an argument until they say otherwise.

1. Cool. That's just an artistic effect. Also your first scan doens't prove mach wave.

2. I don't see any reason on why it can't be taken down when sonic booms have already been discussed in a crt. Which clearly states that it requires statement.

 

[Aksh_sky]

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[Arthur_Nando444]

1. Cool. That's just an artistic effect. Also your first scan doens't prove mach wave.

2. I don't see any reason on why it can't be taken down when sonic booms have already been discussed in a crt. Which clearly states that it requires statement.

I realize I was wrong about that, so Peter Assassin should be downgraded to subsonic+.

However, I recently recalculated Thadeus's feat, from HHS to transonic, and he also has other feats that could improve the scale, but, that being said, the universe currently has the maximum scale for transonic speed.

 

[Aksh_sky]

However, I recently recalculated Thadeus's feat, from HHS to transonic, and he also has other feats that could improve the scale, but, that being said, the universe currently has the maximum scale for transonic speed.

Yeah makes sense, btw you should get the calced evaluated.

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

Yeah makes sense, btw you should get the calced evaluated.

I've already asked for evaluations, and now I'm just waiting for someone to validate these feats; for now, the best result I've obtained is Mach 5 for the Sang-woo.

 

[Aksh_sky]

I've already asked for evaluations, and now I'm just waiting for someone to validate these feats; for now, the best result I've obtained is Mach 5 for the Sang-woo.

I don't wanna divert the topic here but that Sang woo calc is like genuinely bad. And speaking of the knife calc then my problem regarding it remains the same, both shouldn't work.

I've left my reviews on ur blogs.

 

[Pyro9278]

I agree that the Verse has an absurd speed scale. There's nothing that justifies MHS, much less HH, considering that Piter can't even dodge an explosion (which is at least at the low end of Hypersonic) and they're constantly aim-dodging. The only thing I find exaggerated by the OP is the idea that the verse can't reach supersonic levels. However, otherwise, I find the downgrades quite acceptable.

 

[Aksh_sky]

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[Aksh_sky]

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[Aksh_sky]

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[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

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[Aksh_sky]

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[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

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We should just hang BlackCat for giving the whole verse the speed upgrade in Killer Peter Major Speed Upgrade 2 bro
Ki

 

[Aksh_sky]

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[Aksh_sky]

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[LephyrTheRevanchist]

You answer your own question just after this, in a sense

I do not have the telepathy required to discern something like this is inconsistent with other showings in universe, and as much as my ID would enjoy the idea of just telling people "no" and roundhouse kicking them in the pelvis, not feeling up to it isn't very actionable for a calc group member beyond just choosing to not do anything (which would be rude if there was genuine validity)

Anyways that seems to be the crux of this issue so I don't have a lot to say, besides the fact I do not like Manhwa and will not be caught dead discussing 99% of them, especially with the jive-type rhetoric that often seems to be used in these threads. Unfollowing.

Sheesh

Anti-feats are usually not a solid grounds for downgrading.

They absolutely are if they are consistent enough. Key word there being "enough", which is case by case.

Now at first lemme give you some context behind this feat or i should say, statement. Though I'm a bit bad at wording and explaining stuff so don't mind me but anyways I'll be trying my best to explain the context:

According to these scans, which ways that "Matthias's sleigh of hand is lighting fast, to the point that even an ultra-slow motion camera cannot capture it". Now with the context of this statement known the calc was made and the results got around Mach 500.

Yeah, I wouldn't accept that statement at face value without plenty of supporting evidence. If that's the only feat at that level, downgrade is definitely in order.

 

[Aksh_sky]

As far as i can see, most people are agreeing with the downgrade including an admin.

So this thread should be concluded here ig and the verse should be downgraded to subsonic.

@BlackCat

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

As far as i can see, most people are agreeing with the downgrade including an admin.

So this thread should be concluded here ig and the verse should be downgraded to subsonic.

@BlackCat

Nope. Needs another mod approval.

 

[Viott]

Sheesh


They absolutely are if they are consistent enough. Key word there being "enough", which is case by case.

Yeah, I wouldn't accept that statement at face value without plenty of supporting evidence. If that's the only feat at that level, downgrade is definitely in order.

He also says that if he leaves the room, a bullet traveling at 400 m/s will hit him.

Because of this, shouldn’t we add a note that the characters should not exceed speeds above 400 m/s?

 

[CatLover313]

As far as i can see, most people are agreeing with the downgrade including an admin.

So this thread should be concluded here ig and the verse should be downgraded to subsonic.

@BlackCat

Random_Helper was technically neutral I believe so you need another staff approval. Non-staff approval's (i.e. us) don't usually mean anything besides convincing staff member themselves for votes. Once the 2 staff votes get accepted though, there is also a 24-hour grace period (for CRT's, I rarely ever see it interrupted) and once that period ends, then we can apply (or in this case, remove) the results.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Random_Helper was technically neutral I believe so you need another staff approval. Non-staff approval's (i.e. us) don't usually mean anything besides convincing staff member themselves for votes. Once the 2 staff votes get accepted though, there is also a 24-hour grace period and once that period ends, then we can apply (or in this case, remove) the results.

No. The 24 hrs grace is for self evident changes. For normal threads is 48 hrs.

And it starts the moment the thread is posted. We are at over 720 hrs at this point

Once another mod approves, it can be immediately applied.

 

[CatLover313]

No. The 24 hrs grace is for self evident changes. For normal threads is 48 hrs.

And it starts the moment the thread is posted. We are at over 720 hrs at this point

Once another mod approves, it can be immediately applied.

Oops, misread the grace rules. Good to know it starts when the thread is posted. Ty

 

[Aksh_sky]

Random_Helper was technically neutral I believe so you need another staff approval. Non-staff approval's (i.e. us) don't usually mean anything besides convincing staff member themselves for votes. Once the 2 staff votes get accepted though, there is also a 24-hour grace period (for CRT's, I rarely ever see it interrupted) and once that period ends, then we can apply (or in this case, remove) the results.

Random helper said that he'll wait and see what others say so he might change his neutral decision. If not then we'll need to wait for another staff.