How emanators fooled the internet (hsr emanator downgrade) (mods needed)

[CastoriceTheFifth]

What kind of massive star systems are these lol? Do you remember when their sizes are stated?

Blame Hoyo for its terminology usage. For all intensive purposes they are still galaxies (also the sizes becomes absurd if you factor in GGZ or Genshin)

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Blame Hoyo for its terminology usage. For all intensive purposes they are still galaxies (also the sizes becomes absurd if you factor in GGZ or Genshin)

We need to nuke Hoyo lmao. Seriously though when are these sizes stated

Because like most CN terms, 星系 is a very general one as well. And it can also straight-up mean "galaxy" too.

Oh I see so it’s basically up to interpretation?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Oh I see so it’s basically up to interpretation?

It's a somewhat vague term but it is meant to refer to galaxy most of the time. In fact, the game translates this specific word interchangeably from "star system" or "galaxy", sometimes I'm pretty sure even for the same exact location

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

It's a somewhat vague term but it is meant to refer to galaxy most of the time. In fact, the game translates this specific word interchangeably from "star system" or "galaxy", sometimes I'm pretty sure even for the same exact location

Asdana is both called a Galaxy and Star System

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

It's a somewhat vague term but it is meant to refer to galaxy most of the time. In fact, the game translates this specific word interchangeably from "star system" or "galaxy", sometimes I'm pretty sure even for the same exact location

Bruh. So you mean to tell me high tiers in this verse are just as likely 3B as they are 4A?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I highly doubt that a Scepter properly scales. We for sure know their durability and AP are different since they (specifically Irontomb) can be destroyed by Imaginary Propulsion Cannons (which are specifically around 24 planets AP wise), whilst the AP of some Scepters (including Irontomb) is galaxy level.

And we also know the way in which they destroy worlds varies extremely scepter-to-scepter so I don’t really agree that characters can scale to a Scepter’s AP, unless they directly scale to the attack itself (i.e by tanking or deflecting it and whatnot)

Thankfully with the power of UES this isn’t a problem.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bruh. So you mean to tell me high tiers in this verse are just as likely 3B as they are 4A?

Or we just don’t over complicate it and that it’s the same thing.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Thankfully with the power of UES this isn’t a problem.

No I'm saying it's an anti-feat for Scepters having UES. Their particular method of destruction simply doesn't scale to their durability, the same way a nuke doesn't scale to it's explosion.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Or we just don’t over complicate it and that it’s the same thing.

There’s a big difference between star system and galaxy irl. The word is interchangeable too so we literally don’t know what they’re referring to

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

No I'm saying it's an anti-feat for Scepters having UES. Their particular method of destruction simply doesn't scale to their durability, the same way a nuke doesn't scale to it's explosion.

Somehow an anti feat to iron tomb who has shown it having UES when the guy’s physicals shot up drastically in response to its energy output transcending beyond that of emanators (infinite hp, can withstand its own attack onto the universe, can withstand attacks form cyrene’s attacks that can clash with the universe destroying attack, can withstand attacks far beyond that of the attack,)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

There’s a big difference between star system and galaxy irl. The word is interchangeable too so we literally don’t know what they’re referring to

And clearly as shown, they’re the same thing in the game or other Chinese series. We can always not over complicate it.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Somehow an anti feat to iron tomb who has shown it having UES when the guy’s physicals shot up drastically in response to its energy output transcending beyond that of emanators (infinite hp, can withstand its own attack onto the universe, can withstand attacks form cyrene’s attacks that can clash with the universe destroying attack, can withstand attacks far beyond that of the attack,)

This is not the same thing as a normal Scepter lmao. This was when it absorbed all of Khaslana's powers and was tracing back to Nous, causing a Path Energy anomaly, rather than purely being an anti-organic virus. I'm talking about it's form as a dormant Scepter and the other Scepter's as well

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

And clearly as shown, they’re the same thing in the game or other Chinese series. We can always not over complicate it.

Do we ever get a showing of that? Or a stated size?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

This is not the same thing as a normal Scepter lmao. This was when it absorbed all of Khaslana's powers and was tracing back to Nous, causing a Path Energy anomaly, rather than purely being an anti-organic virus. I'm talking about it's form as a dormant Scepter and the other Scepter's as well

and im talking about the giant titan we fought in phase 1 and 2

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Do we ever get a showing of that? Or a stated size?

Yes?

 

[SuperNova55555]

and im talking about the giant titan in fought and phase 1 and 2

But I'm not. Since that's irrelevant to the point.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

But I'm not. Since that's irrelevant to the point.

Are we talking about 2 different things or something. Are you fine with the Giant Titan Irontomb’s AP scaling to it’s durability

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yes?

Ok can you link it?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Ok can you link it?

That’s gonna be my test for you personally to find the statement like I’m testing @Mbpoops to see if he can figure out who in HSR uses six phase ice and what that is (plus I don’t have it on me right now)

 

[SuperNova55555]

Are we talking about 2 different things or something. Are you fine with the Giant Titan Irontomb’s AP scaling to it’s durability

No that one's fine with me. I'm talking about normal Scepters only here.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

That’s gonna be my test for you personally to find the statement like I’m testing @Mbpoops to see if he can figure out who in HSR uses six phase ice and what that is (plus I don’t have it on me right now)

Why are you being difficult? You’re the one who made a claim and now you’re asking me to find evidence for you?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Why are you being difficult? You’re the one who made a claim and now you’re asking me to find evidence for you?

Because
1. I don’t have it on me
2. I have no patience for a 3 year old debunk that is only made when people don’t know what it means
3. It’s not a claim on my part when this was accepted on like 3 separate occasions on their sizes, terminology/definition, and actual stated sizes.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Because
1. I don’t have it on me
2. I have no patience for a 3 year old debunk that is only made when people don’t know what it means
3. It’s not a claim on my part when this was accepted on like 3 separate occasions on their sizes, terminology/definition, and actual stated sizes.

If you don’t have the patience to back up your argument why even bother joining in? Excuse me if I’m doubtful of what’s been previously accepted for this verse after what’s recently been discussed.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If you don’t have the patience to back up your argument why even bother joining in? Excuse me if I’m doubtful of what’s been previously accepted for this verse after what’s recently been discussed.

Being doubtful after what’s recently been discussed about what? 2 people simultaneously explaining to you that star systems are just galaxies in Chinese series right now? Atp this might unironically just be grounds for a discussion rule regarding this galaxies star system pinyin being used. (Wait till you realize a different galaxy pinyin used in hoyo is in reference to the tree)

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Being doubtful after what’s recently been discussed about what? 2 people simultaneously explaining to you that star systems are just galaxies in Chinese series right now? Atp this might unironically just be grounds for a discussion rule regarding this galaxies star system pinyin being used. (Wait till you realize a different galaxy pinyin used in hoyo is in reference to the tree)

You do realise we’re in a thread about handling terrible chainscaling that was previously approved right?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

You do realise we’re in a thread about handling terrible chainscaling that was previously approved right?

Yes and now you’re derailing the thread with a terrible argument that isn’t related to the thread because you aren’t actually bringing up anything new or even atleast not making it sound like copy paste arguments from like the past 30 different people who repeated the same thing as you on the wiki.

Downgrade the Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta to Galaxy level if you think your 1 google search has more merit (literally a different galaxy pinyin is used for the infinite size tree)

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yes and now you’re derailing the thread with a terrible argument that isn’t related to the thread because you aren’t actually bringing up anything new or even atleast not making it sound like copy paste arguments from like the past 30 different people who repeated the same thing as you on the wiki.

Downgrade the Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta to Galaxy level if you think your 1 google search has more merit (literally a different galaxy pinyin is used for the infinite size tree)

Excuse me that you are incapable of providing evidence when asked a question you willingly answered

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Excuse me that you are incapable of providing evidence when asked a question you willingly answered

I’ll be waiting for your Galaxy level Imaginary Tree CRT downgrade.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Aventurine should simply be "far higher" with his final gamble, since it pretty much lacks any feats beyond being vaguely much stronger than his regular attacks

The final gamble is comparable or superior to Zeroth Power SOE because it forced Welt into retaliating with it and Acheron didn’t believe Welt with it could stop the attack so she herself interfered (Acheron said she’ll only interfere if the Astral Express can’t win so she was forced to interfere finally because of this and stop the attack for them)

 

[Mbpoops]

Abt hsr star systems.

They are considered galaxies. Hsr termanology is goofy but yes the star systems are galaxies its in the pre war videos

 

[Mbpoops]

The final gamble is comparable or superior to Zeroth Power SOE because it forced Welt into retaliating with it and Acheron didn’t believe Welt with it could stop the attack so she herself interfered (Acheron said she’ll only interfere if the Astral Express can’t win so she was forced to interfere finally because of this and stop the attack for them)

Not to derail here but the attack was directed at acheron, he literally addressed her telling her to match his wager, its not that acheron though welt couldnt handle it the attack was FOR her

 

[Mbpoops]

Ok some comments on the new ratings.

• For Jing Yuan, I see no reason to give him separate keys, since we aren't given any indication he grows stronger with each arc like the AE crew does. Unless you can find a statement of such, he should remain the same.

Likely 3-B because hes comparable to Fei xiao who low diffs post penacony march

• That Phanylia feat is only 3-C unless you have a proper calc to back 3-C+.

Woomy addressed the calc

• I'm not exactly sure are we using the false dream scaling for Jing Yuan? Because the dream being obviously manipulated into Stelle's "favor" is like the entire point of it. Unless there's further backing to it, Idk about this one.

False dream scaling im fine with removing even if we count it its an off guard AND he needed dhil

• Aventurine should simply be "far higher" with his final gamble, since it pretty much lacks any feats beyond being vaguely much stronger than his regular attacks.

Hes low 1-C because the final gamble required either the star of eden zeroth or naught sonits relevant to zeroth

• If we are going with "All Emanators aren't comparable to each other", then Aventurine 10x downscale from 3-C would have to be nuked because then you'd have to prove that 3-C is a "baseline" for all Emanators, which by this thread, it isn't. So all those scaling to Aventurine would simplye upscale from 4-A.

Its mostly cause he fought base acheron and welt but according to some people either

Acheron didnt fight

Acheron and welt didnt fight

Acheron welt AND MARCH?? Didnt fight because they werent shown fighting in the cutscene

I personally believe they all fought but some people say Acheron didnt fight shed “only interfere if the express couldnt handle it” even though shes in a fight stance before the fight. I think its headcanon and believe she fought so thats why

 

[AthelChan]

Goku has a goal to be the strongest does that put him above zeno? Should we give him 1-C (6D)?

make gokuversal real

 

[SuperNova55555]

Hes low 1-C because the final gamble required either the star of eden zeroth or naught sonits relevant to zeroth

Wait can I ask the exact reason why SoE is Low 1-C…

 

[Mbpoops]

Wait can I ask the exact reason why SoE is Low 1-C…

it can affect all possible dimensions but thats just singularity rebuild.. zeroth could be just “higher” tbh

 

[SuperNova55555]

it can affect all possible dimensions but thats just singularity rebuild.. zeroth could be just “higher” tbh

That’s just higher-dimensional interaction, not Low 1-C AP.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Hsr termanology is goofy but yes the star systems are galaxies its in the pre war videos

In that case, you should find it and add the scan to prevent further confusion.

Also for the case of Sunday, why are we using the Scepter calc for him? The scepter calc involves subatomization of a the asdana galaxy, as oppose to Sunday simply just manipulating it. Those are two different kind of feats. It would be much better to use GBE for the Sunday, in which case it would be on the higher end of 3-C to maybe baseline 3-B.

Lord ravagers would just scale to this calc since incomplete irontomb is a scepter and is comparable to lord ravagers they have no issue scaling to this.

Do you have a scan relating to the Ravagers all being relative to each other? I can buy Zephyro upscaling from this with him being the strongest and all that, but the other require more evidence.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Do you have a scan relating to the Ravagers all being relative to each other? I can buy Zephyro upscaling from this with him being the strongest and all that, but the other require more evidence.

I alr gave my disagreements below with anyone scaling to that since Scepters have specific anti-feats for UES

 

[Mbpoops]

Zephyro and acheron will also go to “higher” or “far higher”

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I alr gave my disagreements below with anyone scaling to that since Scepters have specific anti-feats for UES

Fair enough.