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How emanators fooled the internet (hsr emanator downgrade) (mods needed)

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Is this a quantity of Honkai or a type/quality of Honkai?

If it's the latter then feel like I should make it clear that a Universal Energy System is only grounds for scaling non-material feats to physical attributes and vice versa.

It has not nor will it ever allowed for scaling to a tier based on just having that energy inherently and we don't do that for any other verse.
The “levels” Honkai are just some arbitrarily large groupings of characters who exceed some certain threshold of control over Honkai.

Like if you are a “High-level Valkyrie”, you are skilled enough to gain “High level Honkai” even though in High level Honkai there are multiple one-shot differences between the characters
 
If this is the case then any scaling based on this is completely erroneous.
Tbf the verse, at least hi3, doesnt even apply this because bronya zaychik’s first key is tier 6 with high level but i might have to look into other characters just in case
For now, I agree with the downgrades.
Ill update the op in a bit
 
The 'Honkai Energy' page really needs to be reworked. High-level characters like Seele are weaker than Himeko who can be corrupted by Honkai. Himeko should be low-level while also being much stronger, also there's Herrschers who are far above 'high-level' characters.
 
hi3 profiles are so old that most of the info is just outdated or wrong
Bronya Mei and Kiana early keys should all have low level since they are just B rank valkyries at that point
Fair enough. Ill work on fu hua first when i get time
 
Phainon feat is glazed by 3 emanators mind you
said emanators include the same guy who neg diffed him.
On top of that this is genuenly the feat that is explicitly shown to be above everything we have seen in game bar complete irontomb and fulirene who are >>> emanators
zephyro did not "glaze" it... if anything he seemed condescending. considering how easily he defeated him, saying he could replicate it in an even more impressive fashion is not unreasonable. same goes for the other ravagers.
 
zephyro did not "glaze" it... if anything he seemed condescending. considering how easily he defeated him, saying he could replicate it in an even more impressive fashion is not unreasonable. same goes for the other ravagers.
I can't believe you're genuinely arguing that FireNon is comparable to other Lord Ravagers.

Incomplete Irontomb, even BEFORE absorbing Phainon was comparable to other Lord Ravagers. This sets the stage for the EVOLVED forms of DH and March to struggle (lose / go equal with) against Irontomb.
Incomplete Irontomb with Phainon absorbed is obviously stronger than Phantylia.

Phainon went from no-diffing the Destruction Legion and fighting Zephyro losing to casually incinerating galaxies that he wasn't even aiming at. That's an unquantifiable power boost. Destruction Emanators have to actually focus on destroying galaxies and we know there's Lord Ravagers that devour stars. None of these Lord Ravagers can casually destroy galaxies simply by passing by them.

Phantylia was defeated by an Emanator Spirit (JY isn't an Emanator) and DHIL. DHIL barely survived against Flame Reaver and that was a much more unstable version of Phainon, literally falling apart. This was before the massive power boost that was him using all of the coreflames.

If you want to argue any Destruction Emanator could do that maybe just argue Zephyro alone. EVEN THEN we see Phainon get so much stronger in his fight against Zephyro he ignores Zephyro and goes for Nanook.
 
i was mostly talking about zephyro. but generally, the ravagers' aim is to destroy their former aeons whom they left. i just think that for this goal, they should be actually somewhere on that level. at the very least, have the capacity to reach it.

also, phantylia's actual true form is different than the one we fought.
 
No one is saying they cant reach this level they just arent at the level yet so they wouldnt scale to that level
 
i was mostly talking about zephyro. but generally, the ravagers' aim is to destroy their former aeons whom they left. i just think that for this goal, they should be actually somewhere on that level. at the very least, have the capacity to reach it.
Yes but none of them, even Irontomb, actually destroy their Aeon head to head. They target the path to destroy the Aeon. They can be weaker than their Aeon and still manage to destroy them. This was the whole point of Irontomb's calculation whereas Phainon just straight up scratched Nanook.
 
Ok why does everyone with Imaginary Energy have Low 1-C range… even 4-C mfs like Luka have it ☠️ Extradimensional is prob still tentatively fine
 
Ok why does everyone with Imaginary Energy have Low 1-C range… even 4-C mfs like Luka have it ☠️ Extradimensional is prob still tentatively fine
actually thats a good question… only HE users should have ED/ID range but idk abt low 1-C
 
Ok why does everyone with Imaginary Energy have Low 1-C range… even 4-C mfs like Luka have it ☠️ Extradimensional is prob still tentatively fine
Range: Standard Melee Range, Tens of Meters with Lacering Fist, Low Complex Multiversal & Extradimensional with Imaginary Energy (Pathstriders can draw powers from their respective Aeons, who are Higher-Dimensional beings and congregations of Imaginary Energy[Statistics Values 3])

Well they dont draw from their respective aeon so this is getting removed. Extradimensional
Might be fine tho ig
 
Range: Standard Melee Range, Tens of Meters with Lacering Fist, Low Complex Multiversal & Extradimensional with Imaginary Energy (Pathstriders can draw powers from their respective Aeons, who are Higher-Dimensional beings and congregations of Imaginary Energy[Statistics Values 3])

Well they dont draw from their respective aeon so this is getting removed. Extradimensional
Might be fine tho ig
Honkai energy is js higher-dimensional Imaginary internal energy standing in polarity with Real internal energy residing in 4-dimensional space-time.

Basically whatever Imaginary Subspaces are rated, that’s where IE should scale to in Extradimensional range. So 12D or whatever it is rn is fine or sum
 
I saw that my opinion was requested, but in any case, the OP has already received enough approval for this to be implemented, so you don't really need any more input—you can go ahead and make apply the changes.
 
Ok some comments on the new ratings.

  • For Jing Yuan, I see no reason to give him separate keys, since we aren't given any indication he grows stronger with each arc like the AE crew does. Unless you can find a statement of such, he should remain the same.
  • That Phanylia feat is only 3-C unless you have a proper calc to back 3-C+.
  • I'm not exactly sure are we using the false dream scaling for Jing Yuan? Because the dream being obviously manipulated into Stelle's "favor" is like the entire point of it. Unless there's further backing to it, Idk about this one.
  • Aventurine should simply be "far higher" with his final gamble, since it pretty much lacks any feats beyond being vaguely much stronger than his regular attacks.
  • If we are going with "All Emanators aren't comparable to each other", then Aventurine 10x downscale from 3-C would have to be nuked because then you'd have to prove that 3-C is a "baseline" for all Emanators, which by this thread, it isn't. So all those scaling to Aventurine would simplye upscale from 4-A.
 
Ok some comments on the new ratings.

  • For Jing Yuan, I see no reason to give him separate keys, since we aren't given any indication he grows stronger with each arc like the AE crew does. Unless you can find a statement of such, he should remain the same.
  • That Phanylia feat is only 3-C unless you have a proper calc to back 3-C+.
Lord ravagers would just scale to this calc since incomplete irontomb is a scepter and is comparable to lord ravagers they have no issue scaling to this.
  • If we are going with "All Emanators aren't comparable to each other", then Aventurine 10x downscale from 3-C would have to be nuked because then you'd have to prove that 3-C is a "baseline" for all Emanators, which by this thread, it isn't. So all those scaling to Aventurine would simplye upscale from 4-A.
Baseline emanators would be chadwick bomb from this statement.
Chadwick bomb is implied to be able to blast scepters to bits so...you decide
 
Baseline emanators would be chadwick bomb from this statement.
Chadwick bomb is implied to be able to blast scepters to bits so...you decide
If Chadwick bombs can blast a scepter to bits and three Emanators clashing would be more explosive than it then they shouldn’t scale to it. Herta could mean the destruction they’d cause would be worse due to them fighting over time.
 
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If Chadwick bombs can blast a scepter to bits and three Emanators clashing would be more explosive than it then they shouldn’t scale to it. Herta could mean the destruction they’d cause would be worse due to them fighting over time.
I mean the statement is directly talking about their Blows being far more destructive than chadwick bomb, this doesnt imply the overtime effect really its more that each hit they use against each other is causing this level of destruction by themselves. i think if statement didnt include the word "Blows" i would agree with this.
 
I mean the statement is directly talking about their Blows being far more destructive than chadwick bomb, this doesnt imply the overtime effect really its more that each hit they use against each other is causing this level of destruction by themselves. i think if statement didnt include the word "Blows" i would agree with this.
Herta uses the phrase: “come to blows” which just means fight so no it isn’t saying individual attacks. She’s saying, if three forces equivalent to Emanators or greater fought it would be more destructive than the bomb
 
damn imagine being below multi planetary bomb 😭
Tbh we don’t actually know how long Zephyro took to destroy that galaxy and most of his other stated feats are igniting stars, causing supernova or just blowing up planets so idk. Furthermore one of the Xianzhou ships got cooked by a living planet who wasn’t an Emanator yet Jing Yuan actually managed to put up a fight against Phantylia. So maybe everyone not named Zephyro, Irontomb and Cyrene should just be downgraded to planetary lol. At the very least a lot of these guys may just be glass cannons much like Welt

HSR and inconsistency are inseparable.
 
Also I looked at the hsr wiki and apparently galaxy level scepters is a mistranslation:

In the English text, the line is "Cells without sentience, weapons of massacre... The Emperor's sword that can annihilate a whole galaxy in a nanosecond." This is a mistranslation of the original Chinese, "无智慧的细胞,杀戮的兵器,能够在一微秒内湮灭整个恒星系的帝皇之剑", which more accurately reads as star system 星系 and microsecond 微秒.
 
Lord ravagers would just scale to this calc since incomplete irontomb is a scepter and is comparable to lord ravagers they have no issue scaling to this.
I highly doubt that a Scepter properly scales. We for sure know their durability and AP are different since they (specifically Irontomb) can be destroyed by Imaginary Propulsion Cannons (which are specifically around 24 planets AP wise), whilst the AP of some Scepters (including Irontomb) is galaxy level.

And we also know the way in which they destroy worlds varies extremely scepter-to-scepter so I don’t really agree that characters can scale to a Scepter’s AP, unless they directly scale to the attack itself (i.e by tanking or deflecting it and whatnot)
 
I highly doubt that a Scepter properly scales. We for sure know their durability and AP are different since they (specifically Irontomb) can be destroyed by Imaginary Propulsion Cannons (which are specifically around 24 planets AP wise), whilst the AP of some Scepters (including Irontomb) is galaxy level.

And we also know the way in which they destroy worlds varies extremely scepter-to-scepter so I don’t really agree that characters can scale to a Scepter’s AP, unless they directly scale to the attack itself (i.e by tanking or deflecting it and whatnot)
Like Irontomb for example destroys worlds by sending malicious anti-organic viruses and whatnot. This is js dura neg with high range at best ngl.

You can’t really scale to this AP-wise.
 
Also I looked at the hsr wiki and apparently galaxy level scepters is a mistranslation:

In the English text, the line is "Cells without sentience, weapons of massacre... The Emperor's sword that can annihilate a whole galaxy in a nanosecond." This is a mistranslation of the original Chinese, "无智慧的细胞,杀戮的兵器,能够在一微秒内湮灭整个恒星系的帝皇之剑", which more accurately reads as star system 星系 and microsecond 微秒.
It’s 2026 and people still don’t realize Galaxies and Star Systems are the same thing 😭
 
There’s an HSR star system with 10,000 light years, there’s one with 100,000 light years, there’s one with over 2 million light years. It’s the same shit Broskie 😭
What kind of massive star systems are these lol? Do you remember when their sizes are stated?

Nah, we treat em as galaxies. The same is done for verses like LOTM too
How and why? Galaxies house multiple star systems no?
 
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