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Sure. Any suggestions?
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How emanators fooled the internet (hsr emanator downgrade) (mods needed)
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Pretty sure it was just kept as low 1-C from the fact tree was low 1-C after downgrades, tho like idk how the tree scaling works now since for me low 1-C tree is the 2-A branches and leaves +1D path space since thats how hsr views tree
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Tree is arbitrarily higher-dimensional but everyone only scales to the explicitly 4D physical world
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What do all of you think? This thread seems controversial.
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thats good tho IX and HooH have statements that puts them on the level of the entire Tree/Space (hooh and CN shenanigans)
Prefferably another thread but since u alr are nuking low 1-C just post scans that they only destroyed 4D part of universe
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Reminder HooH was getting jobbed by some bugs. He aint at nowhere near the full Tree
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Bro i remember you were defending that bro with your life back in low 1-A thread, plus hes alr merged with entire tree so like i dont see the issue here
(so much for aeons scaling via wider paths)
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Seems I'm literally the only guy in this wiki who can change their mind on something. I just came to realize that I was giving too favorable of a reading to Hoyo's idiotic slop and that HooH is prob js some random dude like the other Aeons
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Bro gimme like a day before I evaluate this cause if I try to evaluate this today I'm going to lie and say it's good
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I might help if someone can give me a TLDR summary.
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tbh the entire thread should be read. its not that long and lots of good counter-arguments were raised by voidnether, castorice and me.
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It’s short by Honkai standards
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right like have yall seen the other threads? be grateful that this one was THAT short.
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What were the counter arguments? I think what's in the OP looks logical but I can't speak regarding scaling to much since I don't know the verse.
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Hold up a sec, reading through some of the early counter comments to get some more information since I am short on time
Alright. It seems there's an issue with what's accepted as an Emanator, characters being weakened, and such. I see the scan that their power varies depending on the energy thing but I see comments saying Emanator's are comparable to each other and something about the other guys being mirrors of them. If it's an energy thing, theoretically both can be true, they could all be able to achieve the same power as each other and thus their power can still vary but the logic of them still being comparable to each other remains bare any weakened ones. Looks like some arguments hinge on other factors to but overall I'm not knowledgeable enough to say what's the accurate one.
Alright. It seems there's an issue with what's accepted as an Emanator, characters being weakened, and such. I see the scan that their power varies depending on the energy thing but I see comments saying Emanator's are comparable to each other and something about the other guys being mirrors of them. If it's an energy thing, theoretically both can be true, they could all be able to achieve the same power as each other and thus their power can still vary but the logic of them still being comparable to each other remains bare any weakened ones. Looks like some arguments hinge on other factors to but overall I'm not knowledgeable enough to say what's the accurate one.
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yea im also a bit confused on what we actually accept as a emanator now. listed on profiles like Lygus we accept him as an emanator but according to some of the comments we dont?
only some emanators are comparable to eachother like lord ravengers (destruction emanators) and xianzhou generals (hunt emanators) while others are just not comparable at all yet they all share the same feats. idr what the "mirror" emanators was but id assume you mean the fake skaz. hes still considered an emanator ingame but he doesnt hold a candle to the real skaz.
the thing about the energy is though, they dont draw from the same energy system. theres about 18 paths in the verse and each of them has a different aeon and as the scan in the op says aeons grant power to emanators based off how they are feeling so emanators cant really scale off other's feats when their power is based on much power their aeon wants to give them. should probably also mention that emanators drawing power directly from their aeon is pure headcanon and the justification on their profiles should be removed also
the whole thread kinda devolved into "how does UES work" so yh
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Himeko: A person is considered to be on a Path when their will overlaps with that Path. If the person has a strong enough will, they can draw power from that Path. Those who can do so are called Pathstriders.
This is also applicable to all emanators as they are just higher status than pathstriders
and yes this includes drawing power from their aeons since as long as aeon is alive they have full authority over that path aka all of its energy
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yea but this doesnt mean they can draw the full power of the path. even castrorice agrees that they dont have access to 100% path energy only aeons do because they represent the path/
yea i agree they can draw more power than pathstriders no one is saying they dont. the issue is that this power VARIES depending on what path they are following and how their aeon is feeling.
they dont draw power from their aeon there is no scan that says they draw directly from their aeon. all it says is that the aeon grants them authority to draw from the path and even then its limited.
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1% of infinity is still infinity ahhh
You yourself said gap isnt huge soooo
because its the aeons who have all authority of
paths!? its on profiles too!
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this isnt an argument.
the gap in tiers isnt huge because theres geniuenly no feats above 3-B
not the gap in potency thats a whole different topicuhm? yea? aeons have full authority over the path? this doesnt address what i said though. aeons only grant emanators specific levels of power at which they can draw from their path. the only emanator we know who had full path power was the noblesse worm which did nothing and Aha removed its power and then it died.because its the aeons who have all authority of
paths!? its on profiles too!
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This is something I've always wondered about when it comes to HSR scaling. While I don't know the verse all that well, I do know who deserves the ratings.
The UES wank of HSR is my biggest pet peeve, to be honest with you. I mean, look at Yanqing and Yunli, a freakin minors having the same tier as the Aeons.. Like when you think about, that's ridiculous.
I always thought that UES is that something that you can get a similar haxes, rather than ratings. We can use Genshin for example, their elements are UES. Of course, we are not dumb enough to put Klee to be on the same tier or the same hax as Mavuika just because they have the same Element. I also don't agree with the thing about the Emanators or Pathriders gets all of the abilities of the Aeons, like downscaling them from the Aeons, you do that vice versa.
In essence, I agree with this thread. Those who deserve a Low 1-C rating are those who demonstrate feats that truly merit it.
The UES wank of HSR is my biggest pet peeve, to be honest with you. I mean, look at Yanqing and Yunli, a freakin minors having the same tier as the Aeons.. Like when you think about, that's ridiculous.
I always thought that UES is that something that you can get a similar haxes, rather than ratings. We can use Genshin for example, their elements are UES. Of course, we are not dumb enough to put Klee to be on the same tier or the same hax as Mavuika just because they have the same Element. I also don't agree with the thing about the Emanators or Pathriders gets all of the abilities of the Aeons, like downscaling them from the Aeons, you do that vice versa.
In essence, I agree with this thread. Those who deserve a Low 1-C rating are those who demonstrate feats that truly merit it.
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while it isnt rediculous for minors to have high ratings (look at all the outerversal lolis) i agree with you ESPECIALLY because they dont even have a single low 1-C feat
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yea we're gonna work on sectioning hax based on pathstrider, emanator, etc.. i believe the CRT for the Imaginary energy hax hasnt concluded yet needs one mod vote i think so until thats finished nothing we can do.
thank youIn essence, I agree with this thread. Those who deserve a Low 1-C rating are those who demonstrate feats that truly merit it.
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how does that change anything btw?
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thats not a honkai issue in the slightest btw. thats how the site works.
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Most of them are 1-C instead so is there really much of a difference? Fate and Honkai arent even the worst offenders. Look at gow or anything superhero related...
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