How emanators fooled the internet (hsr emanator downgrade) (mods needed)

[PedjaTarzan]

So what???? Nobody scales off welt in hi3 he only fights kevin and gets no diffed why would this affect anyone currently with a profile

he literally self admits hes below hor bronya, later also admits they are both below HoT mei, now look what kalpas did to mei and scale this back to Ely KeBin Kiana and so on

Talked abt already WE EVEN TALKED ABT IT OFF SITE

i forgor

What are you even talking about

that hsr has explicit showings compring honkai to star rail (except kiana one ngl)

No ine even brought up ryusuke. Matter of face he doesnt even have a profile why are we bringing him up?? This isnt relevant at all

im just saying, nuking low 1-C completey shuts down any chance of non aeons and cof being tier 2 or tier 1 in any sense even with UES

Is that not what im doing?

You guys seriously dont know how UES workds

Ues: “this fireball destroys city therefore user of this fireball has all of its stats at fireball level”
Zephyro: “literally does this with white hole on universal level”
You: “YOU DONT KNOW HOW UES WORKS GRRR”

Well they do vary in the tiers lol how did i get “jobbed”. Please show me an actual feat in hsr above galaxy level that we can scale them too then.

Son. if they VARY why do you have them in SAME TIER

Read. The. O.P.

No

Ur getting mad at me for hearing 2 opposing sides. YOU are saying they are emanators, plungin and nether are saying they ARENT emanators

Which is why i said saying generals not being emanators requires this test

 

[Mbpoops]

he literally self admits hes below hor bronya, later also admits they are both below HoT mei, now look what kalpas did to mei and scale this back to Ely KeBin Kiana and so on

This means absolutely nothing bro. He is weaker than them so what they dont scale off him hes never fought them hes shown no relativity to them he just self admits hes weaker than them this is a nothing burger.

i forgor

Bru

that hsr has explicit showings compring honkai to star rail (except kiana one ngl)

Huh

im just saying, nuking low 1-C completey shuts down any chance of non aeons and cof being tier 2 or tier 1 in any sense even with UES

Then they just dont deserve it?

Ues: “this fireball destroys city therefore user of this fireball has all of its stats at fireball level”
Zephyro: “literally does this with white hole on universal level”
You: “YOU DONT KNOW HOW UES WORKS GRRR”

1. Zephyro never did this
2. It was a combined feat with welt in which neither survived so no one scales to this
3. High level honkai energy does not default to low 1-C.

Son. if they VARY why do you have them in SAME TIER

Read. The. O.P.

Theres genuienly no hsr feats (excluding it phainon cyrene and aeon) thats above 3-B. Ur getting mad at me when ive asked YOU MULTIPLE TIMES to present a feat above 3-B thats actually scaleable and im yet to see one.

No

Then im not inclinded to respond to you. You just self admitted to arguing off vibes so this argument is done.

Which is why i said saying generals not being emanators requires this test

I just wanna knownif they are or arent man

 

[Mbpoops]

im just saying, nuking low 1-C completey shuts down any chance of non aeons and cof being tier 2 or tier 1 in any sense even with UES

why are you rbinging the cocoon into this? Relevance??

 

[Exoko]

Ues: “this fireball destroys city therefore user of this fireball has all of its stats at fireball level”
Zephyro: “literally does this with white hole on universal level”
You: “YOU DONT KNOW HOW UES WORKS GRRR”

Yeah their energy output would scale to their Striking Strength, Durabiltity and Attack Potency.

I think the issue is that the OP is saying not everyone has the exact same energy output, since how much energy they have access to depends on however much they are given permission to use but this also assumes that the upper limit of energy they have is equal to their energy output but u guys seem to agree on that part.
And btw read this thread, maybe it’d help both of you? It’s pretty short.

Tl;dr : Make sure everyone is confirmed to have the same

I saw something about some characters not scaling physically, so maybe he’s also trying to say that it doesn’t act as a UES for all characters but only as Non-physical energy systems for some and only the top tiers that give out the energy can be confirmed to have it as a UES.


Also can someone link the thread where the UES was accepted, thanks.

Im just starting HI3 so I don’t know much btw

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This means absolutely nothing bro. He is weaker than them so what they dont scale off him hes never fought them hes shown no relativity to them he just self admits hes weaker than them this is a nothing burger.

??? excuse me? if i admit im weaker than person who literally inherited MY power means he cant scale above me? is this the logic i see? wowzers bro and jiren lowkenuenly jobs against this guy

Bru

Huh

play hsr then idk what to tell you i have alr explained this

Then they just dont deserve it?

which is why i told you to remove low 1-C FIRST then you can adress entire chain scaling BS

1. Zephyro never did this
2. It was a combined feat with welt in which neither survived so no one scales to this
3. High level honkai energy does not default to low 1-C.

"Zephyro never did this"
"Says its combined feat anyway meaning he did do this"
Adress the elephant do you seriously think people are gonna say this is just low 1-C and then not mention any feats? you literally have them ON THE PAGE and then on the characters who scaled there. For hsr its literally phainon zephyro irontomb cyrene and ******* worm bro

Read. The. O.P.

Theres genuienly no hsr feats (excluding it phainon cyrene and aeon) thats above 3-B. Ur getting mad at me when ive asked YOU MULTIPLE TIMES to present a feat above 3-B thats actually scaleable and im yet to see one.

why am i required to show this? where did i ever propose scaling higher than 3-B? can you quote that?

Then im not inclinded to respond to you. You just self admitted to arguing off vibes so this argument is done.

I just wanna knownif they are or arent man

They are, i can provide all scans needed for this if you want to

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ok now im actually concerned does anyone actually know how UES works just because one person scales a certain way from UES DOES NOT MEAN all characters scale this way. Like please be so for real and think about what ur saying here.

Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics. That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability. If they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.

“High level honkai energy defaults to low 1-C”

Ok lets look at another verse that uses UES.. Fate.

The root (when the profile is finished n what not poor fate guys) scales to boundless and everyone with the UES would scale to boundless using this honkai energy logic. Lets use a different example cause fate is confusing

Ki in dragon ball. Please look at goku’s profile. Then look at Zeno’s profile. Notice how one is 1-C while the other is 2-C? Because UES does not scale the way you all are thinking THEY ARE STILL REQUIRED TO PERFORM A SIMILAR FEAT.

So saying lord ravengers, stellaron users, and emanators (even tho not all have honkai energy) in general automatically scale to low 1-C because of UES is just factually incorrect you dont scale from the UES you use the UES to perform feats with abilities that transfer to your ap stats.

Example: fireball blows up a galaxy. The fireball user’s ap, dc, speed, etc, would then scale to that despite not showing any physical feats (punching kicking etc).

Zephyro white hole>nukes cosmos, Acheron Slash>shuts down foundation of ena dream, nukes shadow of IX, has a very speculative scaling above zephyro, Noblesse worm>literally had all of aha authority. DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK i just added HE and UES to the verse without acknowleding feats performed?

Please think about the negative impact this will have on the wiki if you genuienly believe high level honkai energy automatically scales you.

its not even this, its also the way we have all emanators in same tier too, and characters who managed to fight them. we literally used basic powerscaling shit and u complain how UES is somehow the blame here

 

[Mbpoops]

??? excuse me? if i admit im weaker than person who literally inherited MY power means he cant scale above me? is this the logic i see? wowzers bro and jiren lowkenuenly jobs against this guy

Now you’re just yapping. When did i say they didnt scale above welt?? They just dont scale OFF WELT because HE DOESNT FIGHTTTTTTT

play hsr then idk what to tell you i have alr explained this

Your sentence just made no sense sorry

which is why i told you to remove low 1-C FIRST then you can adress entire chain scaling BS

Do both in once thread. Thats what im doing rn. Wheres the issue (aside from the shitty formstted OP)

"Zephyro never did this"
"Says its combined feat anyway meaning he did do this"
Adress the elephant do you seriously think people are gonna say this is just low 1-C and then not mention any feats? you literally have them ON THE PAGE and then on the characters who scaled there. For hsr its literally phainon zephyro irontomb cyrene and ******* worm bro

Never seen this on the page ngl but anyway

They can draw from the SoQ sure but this shouldnt automatically qualify them for low 1-C. The soq has dimensions ranging from 1D strings to 11D bulks why are we just assuming they can draw from the MAXIMUM??? Especially without any feats??? Do you know how many high level HE users there are? Hell schrodinger qualifies as high level HE user should that default her to low 1-C (she got low diffed by einstein bruh). High level honkai energy should not be a set in stone value, it varies HEAVILY we can see that with the bronya profile it should not default to low 1-C.

why am i required to show this? where did i ever propose scaling higher than 3-B? can you quote that?

Because ur the one complaining about the ratings?

Son.

They are, i can provide all scans needed for this if you want to

Id love that

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Also can someone link the thread where the UES was accepted, thanks.

UES for Honkai energy was accepted in this thread way back

Huge Honkai Revisions

It has been said that Paths are the congregation of imaginary energy. Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy, born as manifestations of universal philosophical concepts. Those who believe in and practice the concepts behind a certain path become Pathstriders, and the path that they happen...

vsbattles.com

I actually don’t know if UES was ever accepted for Path Energy / Imaginary Energy but Honkai is deeply entwined with the imaginary

 

[Mbpoops]

Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics. That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability. If they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.

Thanks!

Zephyro white hole>nukes cosmos,

Actually its zephyro white hole + welt zeroth = nuke cosmos.

Acheron Slash>shuts down foundation of ena dream,

Unironically this is only 3-B

nukes shadow of IX,

Its still there.

has a very speculative scaling above zephyro,

Personally i wont fall for the acheron agenda

Noblesse worm>literally had all of aha authority.

And did nothing and died

DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK i just added HE and UES to the verse without acknowleding feats performed?

You are literally here arguing with me that characters should scale to feats they didnt perform

its not even this, its also the way we have all emanators in same tier too, and characters who managed to fight them. we literally used basic powerscaling shit and u complain how UES is somehow the blame here

Im not blaming UES YALL JUST GENUIENLY DONT UTILIZE IT RIGHT

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Now you’re just yapping. When did i say they didnt scale above welt?? They just dont scale OFF WELT because HE DOESNT FIGHTTTTTTT

they scale but they dont scale, what did you even mean by this

Your sentence just made no sense sorry

If u cant comprehend that Welt fighting Zephyro proves hi3 chars can fight hsr chars and that Stelle being S rank means S rankers are comparable to Stelle i dont know why would you EVER attempt doing this entire downgrade, but okay for the sake of YOU i will tolerate not involving hi3 here

Do both in once thread. Thats what im doing rn. Wheres the issue (aside from the shitty formstted OP)

And you still have Zephyro at low 1-C anyway even if its white hole bcs UES is just HIM and same goes for acheron and welt lol.
and the issue is 90% of arguments do not even tackle the chainscaling issue you see, like even the "Varying" thing you cant quantify how is one emanator class just bajillion tiers above another emanator class, like even if we use aeons comparasion where one aeon can have broader concept than the other, notice how Destruction, one of the most wider concepts of the universe has THEIR goons barely above THE HUNT goons (generals) like sure Zephyro would wipe Generals but im not seeing anyone else getting past someone like JY Huaiyan Marshall and Feixiao without going extreme diff

Never seen this on the page ngl but anyway

Bro.

They can draw from the SoQ sure but this shouldnt automatically qualify them for low 1-C. The soq has dimensions ranging from 1D strings to 11D bulks why are we just assuming they can draw from the MAXIMUM??? Especially without any feats??? Do you know how many high level HE users there are? Hell schrodinger qualifies as high level HE user should that default her to low 1-C (she got low diffed by einstein bruh). High level honkai energy should not be a set in stone value, it varies HEAVILY we can see that with the bronya profile it should not default to low 1-C.

heres feats for you since u dont read.
La nina: Destroyed Ether Anchor with her Honkai Energy
Welt: Created several bubbles and sustained them with his HE, Separated SoQ from Reality to prevent Kevin from escaping, above pre herrscher bronya who nuked entire bubble world
Durandal: Cut off entire dimensions of bubble/ether anchor, can destroy all bubbles with her holy blade
So no its not just what yo talk about, but okay

Because ur the one complaining about the ratings?

I complain at the fact your op is "I hate this chainscaling slop i will remove it" just to keep it the same with tier being 3 instead of 1

Son.

Id love that

Scan 1: Scan 2, Scan 3

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Thanks!

Actually its zephyro white hole + welt zeroth = nuke cosmos.

so like changes what? he used his white hole to perform this feat, add in ues and he gots his stats there as well its so simple bro

Unironically this is only 3-B

This is something from aeon btw.

Its still there.

this

Personally i wont fall for the acheron agenda

W vibe scaling

And did nothing and died

You are literally here arguing with me that characters should scale to feats they didnt perform

Funny how i literally listed feats and reasonings anyway

Im not blaming UES YALL JUST GENUIENLY DONT UTILIZE IT RIGHT

I do, wether this means that some bums like yunli argenti etc would get this is beyond my reach, i didnt even apply the changes, the profiles are so ass Boothill still scales to Zulo despite Galaxy rangers never fighting him directly which was something i proposed to be removed anyway.

 

[Mbpoops]

they scale but they dont scale, what did you even mean by this

They scale above him but not because of him. They scale to their level for a completely different reason not because of welt. Again this whole argument is a nothing burger.

If u cant comprehend that Welt fighting Zephyro

We talked about this

proves hi3 chars can fight hsr chars

They already would scale higher anyway but thats a different topic

and that Stelle being S rank means S rankers are comparable to Stelle

Already discussed this. WE EVEN TALKED OFF SITE. Its just welt glazing and not an actual power scals

i dont know why would you EVER attempt doing this entire downgrade, but okay for the sake of YOU i will tolerate not involving hi3 here

Thanks

And you still have Zephyro at low 1-C anyway even if its white hole bcs UES is just HIM and same goes for acheron and welt lol.

They all scale to SOE. Zephyro i lowkey just forgot to update the OP im on mobile

and the issue is 90% of arguments do not even tackle the chainscaling issue you see, like even the "Varying" thing you cant quantify how is one emanator class just bajillion tiers above another emanator class, like even if we use aeons comparasion where one aeon can have broader concept than the other, notice how Destruction, one of the most wider concepts of the universe has THEIR goons barely above THE HUNT goons (generals) like sure Zephyro would wipe Generals but im not seeing anyone else getting past someone like JY Huaiyan Marshall and Feixiao without going extreme diff

We already talked about this earlier in the thread

Bro.

Nothing to do with what i said

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zephyro#:~:text=According to Elio's,18])

heres feats for you since u dont read.
La nina: Destroyed Ether Anchor with her Honkai Energy

You clearly didnt play the VN.

La nina did not destroy the ether anchor durandal did and she took the place of the ether anchor which stopped the bubble from dying. Then durandal kills her and durandal becomes the ether anchor.

Welt: Created several bubbles and sustained them with his HE, Separated SoQ from Reality

Welt is a herrscher… duh..?

to prevent Kevin from escaping, above pre herrscher bronya who nuked entire bubble world

Durandal: Cut off entire dimensions of bubble/ether anchor, can destroy all bubbles with her holy blade

She can destroy higher dimensions with the blade of durandal the blade is specifically stated to be able to cut all spaces which includes higher dimensions. She doesnt even destroy a bubble world with the blade tho.

So no its not just what yo talk about, but okay

What

I complain at the fact your op is "I hate this chainscaling slop i will remove it" just to keep it the same with tier being 3 instead of 1

This is a hoyo issue not mine the verse genuienly has no feats above tier 3 aside from specific cases that only affect a small margin of characters. Which i have mentioned 50000 times in this thread.

Scan 1: Scan 2, Scan 3

Ty!

 

[Mbpoops]

so like changes what? he used his white hole to perform this feat, add in ues and he gots his stats there as well its so simple bro

He didnt do it alone + he didnt survive so he doesnt scale

This is something from aeon btw.

Same argument as 5D ambrosial arbor

this

so can i nuke aeons to tier 3 aswell? Since ofc their avatars scale to their true forms

W vibe scaling

Frfr

Funny how i literally listed feats and reasonings anyway

You havent listed a single feat above 3-B

I do, wether this means that some bums like yunli argenti etc would get this is beyond my reach, i didnt even apply the changes, the profiles are so ass Boothill still scales to Zulo despite Galaxy rangers never fighting him directly which was something i proposed to be removed anyway.

Yea and im gonna work on fixing them. And clearly you dont if you think using high level honkai energy defaults all users to low 1-C

 

[Mbpoops]

Can someone briefly summarise arguments for both sides, using words I can understand? Keep in mind I don't know the verse at all.

Replying in case you would like to vote

 

[Mbpoops]

This is something from aeon btw.

actually going back to this. You do know higher dimensional beings can create lower dimensional structures right?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

They all scale to SOE. Zephyro i lowkey just forgot to update the OP im on mobile

bro really scaled zephyro to something he is supposedly stronger than, instead of the feat he performed

This is a hoyo issue not mine the verse genuienly has no feats above tier 3 aside from specific cases that only affect a small margin of characters. Which i have mentioned 50000 times in this thread.

ok and where did i disagree with tier 3, i just disagree with your proposal bcs you are doing exact same chain scaling we have for low 1-C i dont think i need to repeat this
You cant just say they vary but dont have genuine gap in power just for all of them to end up as tier 3
and like 3-C+ to 3-B doesnt even make sense who even scales to this just give me a quick list

He didnt do it alone + he didnt survive so he doesnt scale

First W argument???

Same argument as 5D ambrosial arbor

it would be 5D hax, ues also allows this to scale

so can i nuke aeons to tier 3 aswell? Since ofc their avatars scale to their true forms

Tried it, didnt work out so your turn now

Frfr

You havent listed a single feat above 3-B

How does bro think tier 1 ues even passed bro

actually going back to this. You do know higher dimensional beings can create lower dimensional structures right?

thats assuming Ena dream could be broken by just emanators or bunch of pathstriders, instead it took QLIPOTH hammer to end it so i doubt abt that “lower dimensional structure” plus its not even structure but actual dream hax

Yea and im gonna work on fixing them. And clearly you dont if you think using high level honkai energy defaults to low 1-C

yeah whatever

 

[Mbpoops]

bro really scaled zephyro to something he is supposedly stronger than, instead of the feat he performed

i heard we considered him stronger but idrc where he lands i alr updated the OP

ok and where did i disagree with tier 3, i just disagree with your proposal bcs you are doing exact same chain scaling we have for low 1-C i dont think i need to repeat this
You cant just say they vary but dont have genuine gap in power just for all of them to end up as tier 3
and like 3-C+ to 3-B doesnt even make sense who even scales to this just give me a quick list

the list is in the OP

First W argument???

i have been saying this.

it would be 5D hax, ues also allows this to scale

its not 5D hax. higher dimensional beings can create lower dimensional things. theres 0 proof of the ambrosial arbor or the foundation of penacony being 5D

Tried it, didnt work out so your turn now

yay

How does bro think tier 1 ues even passed bro

the system can be tier 1 yea but not everyone who uses it scales to tier 1 they all have their own potencies n shit. Again this is the equivilent of saying all fate servants scale to boundless because they draw from the root.

thats assuming Ena dream could be broken by just emanators or bunch of pathstriders, instead it took QLIPOTH hammer to end it so i doubt abt that “lower dimensional structure” plus its not even structure but actual dream hax

it took Qlipoth's hammer to strip sunday of his Aeon status it did not destroy the dream. the 3 layers of the dream were destroyed by acheron, sparkle/robin, galaxy rangers, firefly and the dahlia.

yeah whatever

W concede


also the whole UES shit i dont mind keeping range cause it would legit just be range but it doesnt default to low 1-C ap dura etc.

 

[Mbpoops]

also id like to add. the page does NOT suggest its only High level honkai energy users that defauly to low 1-C. it just says honkai energy as a system is low 1-C. are we gonna say that even low level HE users are low 1-C?

"Honkai Energy qualifies for 12-D in potency and resistances due to its nature and feats listed above; And Low Complex Multiversal (5-D) & Extradimensional (12-D) range as its users can BFR things to the Sea of Quanta, users can also draw and resist Honkai energy from the same realms as a support evidence."

 

[PedjaTarzan]

its not 5D hax. higher dimensional beings can create lower dimensional things. theres 0 proof of the ambrosial arbor or the foundation of penacony being 5D

Congrats u just killed smurf hax with this logic
like find me something that connects abrsoal arbor (random tree) and a literal dreamhax that needed another aeon to shut it down

yay

the system can be tier 1 yea but not everyone who uses it scales to tier 1 they all have their own potencies n shit. Again this is the equivilent of saying all fate servants scale to boundless because they draw from the root.

This is just pointless to debate anymore im deadass gonna go in circles if u say something like this again

it took Qlipoth's hammer to strip sunday of his Aeon status it did not destroy the dream. the 3 layers of the dream were destroyed by acheron, sparkle/robin, galaxy rangers, firefly and the dahlia.

didnt they break first 2 and then big Q broke last one when striking ena?

W concede

you will not see the next sunrise…

also the whole UES shit i dont mind keeping range cause it would legit just be range but it doesnt default to low 1-C ap dura etc.

they had this range even before ues so im fine too

 

[PedjaTarzan]

also id like to add. the page does NOT suggest its only High level honkai energy users that defauly to low 1-C. it just says honkai energy as a system is low 1-C. are we gonna say that even low level HE users are low 1-C?

"Honkai Energy qualifies for 12-D in potency and resistances due to its nature and feats listed above; And Low Complex Multiversal (5-D) & Extradimensional (12-D) range as its users can BFR things to the Sea of Quanta, users can also draw and resist Honkai energy from the same realms as a support evidence."

the text above and feats listed were explicitly done by users with high level HE and above which is why low 1-C started from that and not someone like Wendy or BoS Kiana

 

[Mbpoops]

the text above and feats listed were explicitly done by users with high level HE and above which is why low 1-C started from that and not someone like Wendy or BoS Kiana

yes THOSE users would scale if they show feats that can destroy the soq if not they just get range and potency.

 

[Mbpoops]

Congrats u just killed smurf hax with this logic
like find me something that connects abrsoal arbor (random tree) and a literal dreamhax that needed another aeon to shut it down

they dont need to be connected the point is that the foundation of the dream and hte ambrosial arbor have 0 supporting evidence of being 5D other than "an aeon made it bruhhh"

This is just pointless to debate anymore im deadass gonna go in circles if u say something like this again

users of the system just get range and potency not actual scaleable AP, DC, etc: they still need to perform feats on the level they are currently scaled to which there are none.

didnt they break first 2 and then big Q broke last one when striking ena?

the big Q struck ENA first then they destroyed the dream

you will not see the next sunrise…

they had this range even before ues so im fine too

thumbs up emoji

 

[Mbpoops]

this

A little derailing here from me but this is just another reason why i wanted to make aeon avatars and their true forms different scaling

 

[PedjaTarzan]

A little derailing here from me but this is just another reason why i wanted to make aeon avatars and their true forms different scaling

you would have to ask someone whos profesional in UES for this, tho i dont mind manifestations to be not scalable to their true ratings since for example nous aha and akivili can manifest themselves into humans but not sure how this even works
Can we start calling staff now?

 

[AthelChan]

This is the most words I've read on a thread, now I know how to wank my profiles via UES

 

[Mbpoops]

you would have to ask someone whos profesional in UES for this,

i dont think this has anything to do with UES

tho i dont mind manifestations to be not scalable to their true ratings since for example nous aha and akivili can manifest themselves into humans but not sure how this even works

Herta assimilating her mind with Nous, terminus is a cat, aha was a person and blew up the express, nanook was hurted by phainon, etc. (im agreeing with you btw)

Can we start calling staff now?

ive asked and reiner and butler pinged a few its just a matter of waiting.

 

[Exoko]

yes THOSE users would scale if they show feats that can destroy the soq if not they just get range and potency.

Anyways, there are verses where an energy by itself has shown high potency but the abilities they ‘fuel’ don’t, is that the argument rn?
Tarzan is saying that everybody scales to the highest application seen of Honkai Energy which is just, not how a UES works (just based of the limited stuff Im seeing, also Imgur ain’t working rn for me dk why), UES depends on quantity, how much is being output for the feat that gave it L1C AP? Is everyone outputting the same quantity of it?

 

[Mbpoops]

Anyways, there are verses where an energy by itself has shown high potency but the abilities they ‘fuel’ don’t, is that the argument rn?

yes hoyo is one of those verses. honkai energy is low 1-C as a source but not everyone scales to the source. general question not directed at you, but if high level users already scale to the verse why even make a hierarchy? might as well delete lord ravenger and herrscher authority. even on kiana's profile she has the highest degree because she IS the origin of the honkai (CoF)

Tarzan is saying that everybody scales to the highest application seen of Honkai Energy which is just, not how a UES works (just based of the limited stuff Im seeing, also Imgur ain’t working rn for me dk why)

yes thank you so much for understanding that this isnt how UES works. imgur isnt broken for you dw the scans all got deleted by imgur (memory overload ig?) and we have to revive them which is why some scans are on image chest and some are broken

, UES depends on quantity, how much is being output for the feat that gave it L1C AP? Is everyone outputting the same quantity of it?

not everyone is outputting the same quantity and its pretty blatantant throughout the series. actually funny enough most emanators dont even have honkai energy so this whole argument was a nothing burger lol

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i dont think this has anything to do with UES

Herta assimilating her mind with Nous, terminus is a cat, aha was a person and blew up the express, nanook was hurted by phainon, etc. (im agreeing with you btw)

Phainon one harmed real nanook, this is confirmed by herta and later by the fact he had to enter a path space to strike nanook

 

[Mbpoops]

Phainon one harmed real nanook, this is confirmed by herta and later by the fact he had to enter a path space to strike nanook

nanook is pathstrider level.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Replying in case you would like to vote

Sorry, I think I'm the wrong person for this one, given it's internal scaling for a verse I know basically nothing about. I read the words Star Rail and picture a train in space, I read Hoyoverse and picture a Yo-yo. That's why I asked for a breakdown of information. I think it's best I avoid voting unless I actually understand the thread's topic.

 

[Mbpoops]

Sorry, I think I'm the wrong person for this one, given it's internal scaling for a verse I know basically nothing about. I read the words Star Rail and picture a train in space, I read Hoyoverse and picture a Yo-yo. That's why I asked for a breakdown of information. I think it's best I avoid voting unless I actually understand the thread's topic.

alright! thank you for responding

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Anyways, there are verses where an energy by itself has shown high potency but the abilities they ‘fuel’ don’t, is that the argument rn?
Tarzan is saying that everybody scales to the highest application seen of Honkai Energy which is just, not how a UES works (just based of the limited stuff Im seeing, also Imgur ain’t working rn for me dk why), UES depends on quantity, how much is being output for the feat that gave it L1C AP? Is everyone outputting the same quantity of it?

quote it where i said its only highest application (high level is literally lower than lord ravager and cof level ) like this isnt even the main reasoning when the feats listed on the page were accepted as tier 1 which is how ues came to be
lord ravagers got this from the fact golden blood is honkai energy which just makes path of destruction HE and rest of emanators scale to them due to alr accepted chainscaling idk why do yall target just “high level=low 1-C”

 

[Random-Helper323]

alright! thank you for responding

Sorry, if it was a smaller thread I'd push to do it, but this much internal scaling being judged by someone who reads the word Honkai and thinks of a honking car horn seems like a recipe for errors.

 

[Mbpoops]

quote it where i said its only highest application (high level is literally lower than lord ravager and cof level ) like this isnt even the main reasoning when the feats listed on the page were accepted as tier 1 which is how ues came to be

you literally said nether wasnt wrong when he said high level HE = low 1-C because durandal scales to the ether bath. and how were any of these feats accepted as T1 in the first place? the justification is literally "destroying a galaxy" or "destroying a planet"

lord ravagers got this from the fact golden blood is honkai energy which just makes path of destruction HE and rest of emanators scale to them due to alr accepted chainscaling

they shouldnt chainscale cross path tbh.

idk why do yall target just “high level=low 1-C”

nether:

"High-level Honkai Energy defaults to Low 1-C because Durandal scales to the Ether Bathtub & There's actually a higher level than High-level Honkai Energy and that is Lord Ravager-level in the page in which obviously they'd default to Low 1-C with the feats that Irontomb has. If you think that's not how UES work then nuke it; You'd be surprised by how hard it is to nuke a creation feat and everyone scaling to them because of UES, don't get me started when there's so many examples of Emanators drawing their powers from their own Paths and their statistics increasing drastically after."

 

[Mbpoops]

Sorry, if it was a smaller thread I'd push to do it, but this much internal scaling being judged by someone who reads the word Honkai and thinks of a honking car horn seems like a recipe for errors.

its fine dwdw could you ping other staff at least?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

you literally said nether wasnt wrong when he said high level HE = low 1-C because durandal scales to the ether bath. and how were any of these feats accepted as T1 in the first place? the justification is literally "destroying a galaxy" or "destroying a planet"

HE page vro… tracking bro

they shouldnt chainscale cross path tbh.

yet we have lord ravagers and generals do this anyway

nether:

i mean ur trusting same guy who says asdana is low 1-C and generals arent emanators so idk what to say on that part

 

[Mbpoops]

HE page vro… tracking bro

i thought you were talking about specific character feats

 

[AthelChan]

L1c galaxies

 

[Mbpoops]

L1C planets