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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

Abyss covers entire genshin universe, meaning every failed possibility is the abyss itself which also covers entie universe = multiversal
surtalogi bcs he surpassed abyss itself and hes above universe too= 2-B surtalogi
This scaling is sponsored by big yahu
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Abyss covers entire genshin universe, meaning every failed possibility is the abyss itself which also covers entie universe = multiversal
surtalogi bcs he surpassed abyss itself and hes above universe too= 2-B surtalogi
This scaling is sponsored by big yahu
Fraudologi when he faces Amber...
 
Sahl, we deleted Holy/Spatial Manip from the new Elemental Page, there no reasoning to put those
Buddy, you never mentioned the Fundamental Mechanism section in your crt before, so you just deleted some of the abilities that are not part of your CRT. Nobody has ever tried to get rid of them, not even you. So those things still legit.

And Pyro Manipulation could be pretty much just Absorption from Diluc's energy
Ehh, he still can summon Pyro element, so still.
 
Said Fundamental Mechanism section no longer exist, otherwise they would had told me "hey u forgot spatial/holy manipulation"
I mean, they no longer exist because you just nuked them without even including them in your CRT. THAT'S WHY i don't agree with your new page of Elemental Energy because the previous one was in a better condition, all you gotta do is just remove something that you want them be gone.

And now look at the Elemental Energy page, it's a mess, unlike before.
 
@AsterReal The thread was closed just as i typed the response out, so here, if you want to continue:

The dialogue literally shows Columbina asking the Moon Goddesses—a Trilune Authority comparable to Dottore’s—for help. She isn’t asking them for power, if Sonnet interprets it that way. It’s because she doesn’t see power and authority as separate things. Unless the dialogue you read was different, I don't see Columbina saying, "Give me your power and authority.

This is a terrible argument. Columbina has already explained to the moon goddesses what happens in the future—how Dottore has stolen their power and is now causing ruckus. She’s in turn asking for help in order to stop him.

Contextually, Sonnet would evidently clarify with power because Authority wouldn’t be the only thing that Columbina needs to defeat Dottore. She’d need power as well. There is no indication in the context that goes “i don’t see this as separate things”, especially when the moon goddesses explicitly refer to it as separate things.

The text says that they were given their power, not that they renounced everything that made them goddesses.

They gave up their authority and power, and lost whatever made them a goddess. They in turn, renounced everything that made them a goddess, hence why they were nothing afterwards.

The text distinguishes between authority and power, but treats them as inseparable in practice, since authority implies access to the power that Columbine needs.

It does not treat them as inseparable. You are also contradicting your own point as you just said that they are synonymous but now that they are distinguished apart.

How does this make sense? This breaks down your argument, as it shows that the power and authority aren’t the same thing, and thus Sonnet doesn’t have to imply that they are the related intricately. Further, this also does not make sense, linguistically. If they were inseparable inexplicably, then saying “power and authority”would be redundant.

The second phrase can also be translated as "power and strength," not necessarily "authority." Have a Wiki translator translate it before using it.

Irrelevant. The word used is 權能, which is consistently used by HoYo to refer to Authority.

This is also a nonsensical statement. Why are they distinguishing power and authority here?

He isn't using it vaguely just so you'll make that assumption. He's talking about the power of the three moons. Not just some random thing.

Am i arguing with a brick wall? Anyway, she isn’t making anything vague. The word itself is vague, so the reader has to interpret it. For instance:

“I have more power than you” -> In a combative context implies they are stronger.

“I have more power than you” -> In a political context implies they have more authority or even more knowledge.

It isn’t about wording it vaguely. The hax of the three moons is also power.

Columbina used the Moon Marrows to recharge her Kuuvahki. Dottore was able to use the Marrows to access the Trilune Authority and create a third lunar marrow from the Kuuvahki of the Iridescent and Eternal Moon Marrows when Columbina escaped him. In this case, power and authority are not truly separate things.

I don’t know why you just repeated what happened in the story as if you addressed anything. You are supporting my point. Dottore uses the Moon Marrows as a whole and gains the power of the three moons.

Columbina only draws the energy of the three moons but does not gain any ounce of authority. But why? You just said they’re inseparable.

Furthermore, even if we accept that Authority and Power are completely separate things, are there any counter-examples to this?

I’d already addressed this:

It is also said that Zhongli’s victory over Azhdaha is unquestionable, implying that the Authority would not have changed the outcome of the fight, further supporting the idea that it isn’t related to power.

Venti says that all the harbingers have been given authority like a God by the Tsaritsa, yet only the top 3 are comparable to archons. Are you sincerely saying that the authority, supposedly making Xiuhcoatl go from getting badly oneshot by Ronova’s power to going relative to her, but it’s not significant for others?

Venti also separates Authority from Power when he talks about Istaroth giving him them. Genshin has consistently separated Authority and Power. Even in the boss fight, when we were given the Hydro Authority, we didn’t get stat amps, and we already discussed this once, lore amps tend to give us gameplay amps, so why didn’t we get that?

There’s other reasoning to imply this:

- Nahida’s hax to control dreams is a product of her authority.

- Vision holders have a part of sovereign authority, and we know definitely for a fact that archons like Nahida aren’t superior to every vision holder.

- Nahida’s mere existence. She has authority but is said to lack strength.

Honestly? You need to provide more original arguments. I’m deadass just copy pasting what i said to Gianny in our dms before. It’s the same shit over and over again.

Hell, here’s Ororon’s statement about Nahida’s dendro authority in Act 5 of the Natlan Archon Quests:

是须弥的神明大人吧,烟谜主对于梦境的掌握,自然远远不如神明的权能。

It must be the deity of Sumeru. When it comes to the mastery of dreams, the Masters of the Night Wind is naturally far inferior to the divine authority of the god.

They even used mastery and divine authority interchangeably here.

Since this stems from their authority,

This is headcanon. They are simply said to loose their absolute power.

for if their authority were truly separate from their power, it should not have been affected.

If someone has brain cancer, lost their limbs, and etc, that would in fact, harm their way to use hax.
 
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