Phanes is the one wanting to kill them,
The PO had initially no bad intent over the world. Their goal wasn’t to kill, it was to dominate. Whether that be by killing or by defeating someone in battle was irrelevant to them.
Shades currently just follow their orders (Not white washing them, but like Ronova even let Capitano die, Istaroth helped Ei and Venti, so yeah most likely they kinda neutral)
Shades follow their orders, yes, and their order is to suppress the original forces of the world.
Ronova also didn’t let Capitano die. She had to have the curse of immortality stay, so she gave up the price of using her power in return. Ronova is also hellbent on following the rules now after what happened, as we see in The God’s limit teaser that she’s a massive glazer.
They cast the celestial nail to kill her, i dont know man, but throwing a 20 meters flying pillar kinda sees like u want to kill someone
The Nail isn’t to kill Apep, it’s to suppress her Forbidden Knowledge, as she was spreading Forbidden Knowledge by just existing.
Xiuhcoatl with no Authority and on the brick of death?
Xiuhcoatl had authority, but even if he didn’t, no proof that Authority is a power amp.
自奥奇卡纳塔受蚀的烬城之主处取得的白盘。为前往图兰大火山，去除小嵴锋龙身上的「焰主之祝」，所必须取得的信物之一，据说是「焰主」之眼被一分为二后留下的一部分。传说古代执掌一切光芒与智慧的龙主用自己的一只眼眸化作了控制一切火焰的无上权柄，而那也成为了其唯一能够被击破的弱点⋯
“The White Disc obtained from the Ashen Lord of the eroded city of Ochkanatlan. It is one of the tokens required to travel to the Tulan Great Volcano and remove the “Blessing of the Flame Lord” from the Lesser Ridgefang Dragon. It is said to be a fragment left behind after the “Flame Lord’s” eye was split in two. According to legend, the ancient Dragon Lord, who ruled over all light and wisdom, transformed one of his eyes into the supreme authority that governed all flames. However, this also became his only weakness…”
Here, it is said that he transformed one of his eyes into the supreme authority that governed all flames. This indicates full authority, because Neuvi describes his full authority the same way—the absolute control of an element. His eyes were perfectly intact when he fought Xbalanque. Because it was
xbalanque who split it into two and took one for himself and gave the other to the dragon sage.
This is what Neuvilette says about haborym:
以規則與傳承擊退深淵，此為值得稱頌之義舉，然權柄乃是從龍類手中奪得，亦是罪無可逭。只不過納塔元氣大傷，的確也不必急於前往。嗯，你說根據史料那一戰應該判定為正式決鬥，而且希巴拉克也有善待被害者家屬？雖然亂七八糟的，但是也有些道理…
“Defeating the abyss with rules and tradition is a commendable act, but the power was
seized from the dragons, and it is an unforgivable sin. However, the energy of Natlan has been greatly damaged, so there’s no need to rush there. Hmm, you say that according to historical records, that battle should be considered a formal duel, and that Xbalanque also treated the victims’ families well? Although it’s a mess, there is some truth to it…”
Neuvilette in this voiceline, specifically used the word for “seized”, which is “奪得” (duó dé)—which means to forcibly take something.
However, for all the other archons, Neuvilette doesn’t say this, and says the complete opposite:
About Venti:
縱使天地翻覆，也無法停止我對於僭位七神的巡遊審判。微風與希望之神獲贈了風之大權，他也需要列席候審。你說他大部分時間都只是個醉漢，沒有什麼危險的了？那也要先見見吧？
About Raiden:
我作為重獲全龍之格的孑遺，就算是讓大海所有的水逆行回天，也需要履行我的誓言與責任。鳴神贏取了雷之大權，註定留名於僭權者之列。嗯…你說她現在蟄居於心成淨土之中，極少現身？那我過幾百年再去吧…
About Zhongli:
我將對諸神行使裁決，沒有任何事情可以改變這點。貴金之神贏取了岩之大權，他自然也在受審者之列。如果有誰不希望看到我們發生爭執，也不必擔心，我還需要在楓丹停留很久，說不定就要四百多年…而且最後的判決也不一定會導致兵戎相見。
For Morax and the Raiden Shogun, uses “贏取” (yíng qǔ)—which means “to win” or “to earn” through effort or achievement, for venti he uses “獲贈” (huò zèng)—which means “to be bestowed” or “to be granted”.
However, he only uses “seize” for the Pyro Archon, and no one else. This is also further supported by the Sanctum of the Rainbow Spirits:
據說化身虹靈的賢者曾經在此教會各個部族的勇士操使燃素的語言，只不過後來最初的火神奪取了執掌火焰的權柄，試煉也變得可有可無。
驅逐佔用此處的宵小之徒，或許能獲得珍貴的聖遺物吧。
It is said that the Sage who transformed into the Rainbow Spirit once taught the warriors of various tribes here how to wield the language of Pyro. However, later on, the original Fire God seized the authority over flames, rendering the trials optional. Driving out the petty trespassers occupying this place might yield precious sacred relics.
This statement implies that the authority was seized from Xiuhcoatl
by Xbalanque. Xiuhcoatl was also on the brink of “death” in the sense that he was almost fully taken over by the Abyss and essentially became an Abyssal being. He was not weakened, and we learn very blatantly from the 6.4 event that the Abyss simply makes you stronger.
Further supported by Kinich’s tribal quests:
阿乔 : 它的肉体与战斗本能被深渊的诡力保存，但它的灵魂早就被五百年的时间磨为了齑粉！
Ajaw: Its physical body and combat instincts have been preserved by the Abyss's sinister power, but its soul was ground to dust long ago by five hundred years of time!
This is stated at the end of Kinich’s third tribal quest, the abyss preserves your physical body and combat instincts with the power of the Abyss’ eerie power.
Also, for one, this is what the “Records Regarding "Corrosion and Physical Conditions" says:
“...All that once granted me form is fading. I can feel the power being twisted, diluted... to nourish, to form, ah... Something from beyond, our shadowy bane...”
Notice how it says all that granted his form is fading, and that he can feel the power being
diluted and
twisted to
nourish the abyss?
This shows that while it does crush your soul, the way it preserves your combat ability, vitality, and amps your strength and whatnot is more
warped than we thought before. It
twists and
breaks down the original being in order to seemingly
convert them into an abyssal caraciture of themselves—they’re becoming abyssal monsters and becoming one with the abyss itself.
To further support my point, this is the CN:
基尼奇: 山王身上的深淵汙染與普通災害不同，數百年來被邪惡力量侵蝕，牠的身體已經不可逆地深淵化了。
Kinich: The Abyssal corruption on the Mountain King is different from ordinary disasters. Having been eroded by evil forces for hundreds of years,
its body has irreversibly become Abyssal.
The sentence is “Its body has irreversibly become Abyssal” or that it has become an abyssal being.
The sentence also says that it has been eroded by the abyss for years. This is very consistent with what Xiuhcoatl said—his body is being broken down and corroded by the abyss so that it can be repurposed and used to make a new being—an abyssal version of itself.
Kukulkan:
Having himself become a breeding ground for darkness, his periods of clarity ever shortening, he knew not when he would become lost to senseless, twisted nothingness...
This is a textbook example of what it means to be a breeding ground. His power is being used to shape and grow the abyssal corruption. He's not getting weaker. His form is being twisted and mangled into an abyssal caricature of his old self, rendering him a
mentally absent rampaging mass.
And as for the way Xiuhcoatl’s condition is described, it is
exactly the same as Kongamato’s.
This is stated in “Records Regarding "Humans... and Exceptional Individuals Thereof":
“ ...I know not how long I have
slept under the influence of the shadow... Ah, my poor brother...”
Both of them would go into long slumbers and wake up occasionally, both of their bodies have been corroded by the abyss, and both of them regained brief periods of clarity. The entire point of Kinich’s tribal quest was around the fact that we needed to stop the Mountain King from waking up from his slumbers and causing rampages.
I’ve already shown gianny all this before.
And even is still stated that abyssal copies arent a 1:1?
Tenebrous Papilla description says that the copies are stronger than their original form.
It wasn’t Canon. It was Sonnet who wanted to rebel but didn’t.
"Why did not the 3 Moons try to attack the strongest being on the verse + their 4 creations on an almost equal lvl?" Ofc the reason was because Phanes was a good person and not the fact they were gonna be oneshotted like what happend to them in Nibelung's war
You’re contradicting yourself. If the Moons didn’t want to attack them because they’re so strong, then it implies even with the help of all the sovereigns, they weren’t a match. Moreover, you also mentioned “they’re good”, which doesn’t make sense if the PO immediately begun by fighting and wanting to kill all the Sovereigns. The Moon Goddesses say this:
Is that what later generations call them? I see... But we did not reject them at first, nor did they seem to harbor ill-intent towards this world.
U said it urself
Trilune = Shade lvl, Moon base alone dont scale to that. At best u scaling them at 1/3 of Trilune's powers or to Marrow Traveler feats
A scale i would proposse is something like
Their base don’t scale to that. However, their combined powers scale to that. The Moons can in fact, consolidate their powers as we saw with Columbina getting the Trilune Authority. If the PO + Shades were fighting the Sovereigns
extreme diff, then the Moons wouldn’t be “no match” to them.
/ Nibelung > Sovereings/Sinners/Shades/Trilune > Angels > Moon Goddess (Moon goddess on their own have a feat of being capable of moving their own moon, but is a slow movement)
Actual headcanon. The Sovereigns are subordinate to Nibelung whereas the Moon Goddesses directly use his authority. Their authority also does not get oneshot by a Shade as opposed to what happened to Gosoythoth, someone much stronger than Xiuhcoatl at his peak.
Angels are also subordinate to the Moons.
