How emanators fooled the internet (hsr emanator downgrade) (mods needed)

[Mbpoops]

Reiner hive mind type 1

 

[Hecky2222]

There are 100s of Reiner04 on vsbw now

Wow... a whole crowd of nothing

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Strong disagree.

A lot of this seems random as heck... like

"let it be known that march, who is currently considered an emanator of rememberance, is getting extreme diffed by highschoolers (yes literally random highschoolers)"

Are we serious? She wasn't trying to kill actual kids. And you don't need her or the game to tell you that.. Besides, they were amped and afflicted by Sparxie's power and the whole wishpower/imaginae thing from Aha's masks and their own collective wishpower.

The entirety of "reason 1" is also complete nonsense. All of these fights are taken out of context and just lack understanding.

for one we see phantylia being damaged by dan heng who is far inferior to any high level destruction emanator

I don't understand this. That wasn't Phantylia's own body. She was simply inhabiting it. It was made from the arbor. She is a heliobus. It should be argued that it wasn't an actual Emanator's body. It's not like for example Tingyun whom she possessed would suddenly acquire ALL of the physiological characteristics that come with being an Emanator. Unless there's proof of it.

incomplete irontomb not only required evernight's power but a whole other emanator as well aka cyrene and her special attack(s) aswell as the other chrysos heirs yet irontomb was still mid diffing them this should easily put irontomb above evernight and lygus im not sure why is is even a debate.

Incomplete Irontomb is still a Scepter that was allowed to flourish and generate power for thousands of years building up strength on top of it being operated by Lygus as well as it being gazed multiple times by Nanook and receiving their power which even manifests as the golden blood. Saying Incomplete Irontomb is in any way your "everyday" Emanator is not correct. It is stacked with all sorts of powers.

the power of emanators is directly stated in the databank to vary depending on the power granted by their aeon.

Also why are we theorising this? We are comparing specific emanators, pathstriders and events. Not random ones whose power levels we have to guess. We have actual context in all of these fights.

moreover zephyro extremely low diffs phainon, who is also an emanator of destruction

This is the only point in the entire thread with actual scaffolding. Though, you could say that Phainon is not an actual "crowned" Emanator/Lord Ravager. His power is in some way "stolen" and during that fight he was still a simulated being trying to fight the Scepter's firewalls at the same time. We also DO know that Phainon's ACTUAL body, became Irontomb's.

there was also some arguments from the hoyo supporters that evernight, lygus, and incomplete irontomb were comparable which itself is hilariously contradicted by the story. As established earlier, trailblazer and hysilins defeated lygus this would make lygus comparable to hysilins and trailblazer. evernight is able to completely overpower and seal the trailblazer which should put her above lygus (it is commonly considered evernight is the strongest trailblazer thought i might add this).

We need to clear up that Lygus is NOT an Emanator. Zandar is. So idk why we are having such a hard time realising that others could be stronger. Especially Evernight.

We also have the Express crew establishing that Herta could in fact obliterate the Scepter before it awakened. But she did not want to get to that because it would kill the kids and Amphoreus.

I think a lot of your issues have to do with chainscaling. But that's just how the site seems to work.

Genuinely I think any change on this verse should be halted for a few months.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Besides, they were amped and afflicted by Sparxie's power and the whole wishpower/imaginae thing from Aha's masks and their own collective wishpower.

So Sparxie’s amp is emanator level now?

I don't understand this. That wasn't Phantylia's own body. She was simply inhabiting it. It was made from the arbor. She is a heliobus. It should be argued that it wasn't an actual Emanator's body. It's not like for example Tingyun whom she possessed would suddenly acquire ALL of the physiological characteristics that come with being an Emanator. Unless there's proof of it.

You can amp the body with Path Energy, for example when Irontomb made it’s core basically unkillable whilst attempting to Self-Coronate. There’s no reason for Phantylia not to do this, as well.

Also… the arbor was directly planted by Yaoshi, and it had to be shot at by Lan directly lmao. How the hell would it not be equivalent to an Emanator.

Saying Incomplete Irontomb is in any way your "everyday" Emanator is not correct.

Right. So Emanators can vary in power depending on how much of it they are given.

His power is in some way "stolen" and during that fight he was still a simulated being trying to fight the Scepter's firewalls at the same time.

He’s directly stated to have entered Path Space.

We also have the Express crew establishing that Herta could in fact obliterate the Scepter before it awakened.

And the way she could’ve done this is by…?

 

[Mbpoops]

emanator level should have never been tierable strength its just the level of path potency that can utilize their path better than mere pathstriders while it does mean they can draw more power from their path the level of power very blatantly depends on their aeon. Another reason why the whole “emanators can draw directly from their aeons” is completely headcanon i havent even seen a statement that they could do this ingame they just draw from their paths at a higher degree than pathstriders the only ones can use 100% path is aeons

 

[SuperNova55555]

emanator level should have never been tierable strength

Lan doesn't rank among the more powerful Aeons — the concept of the Path of The Hunt is narrow...

 

[Mbpoops]

Lan is emanator level

 

[SuperNova55555]

Lan is emanator level

Lan didn't interfere with Irontomb, not cause of their Primum Mobile, but because they didn't wanna get put on fraud watch and js tried to be nonchalant about it

 

[Mbpoops]

Lan didn't interfere with Irontomb, not cause of their Primum Mobile, but because they didn't wanna get put on fraud watch and js tried to be nonchalant about it

Lan didnt interfere with irontomb because there were none of his followers he could kill in the cross fire

 

[Mbpoops]

Strong disagree.

A lot of this seems random as heck... like

Are we serious? She wasn't trying to kill actual kids. And you don't need her or the game to tell you that.. Besides, they were amped and afflicted by Sparxie's power and the whole wishpower/imaginae thing from Aha's masks and their own collective wishpower.

Who said she needed killing intent? Shes an emanantor she should be able to knock these kids out with ease. Unless of course sparxie just amps to the level of emanators

The entirety of "reason 1" is also complete nonsense. All of these fights are taken out of context and just lack understanding.


I don't understand this. That wasn't Phantylia's own body. She was simply inhabiting it. It was made from the arbor. She is a heliobus. It should be argued that it wasn't an actual Emanator's body. It's not like for example Tingyun whom she possessed would suddenly acquire ALL of the physiological characteristics that come with being an Emanator. Unless there's proof of it.

When was being an emanator based on their physical form? She should retain her emanator powers regardless of form not to mention shes a heliobi lmao

Incomplete Irontomb is still a Scepter that was allowed to flourish and generate power for thousands of years building up strength on top of it being operated by Lygus as well as it being gazed multiple times by Nanook and receiving their power which even manifests as the golden blood. Saying Incomplete Irontomb is in any way your "everyday" Emanator is not correct. It is stacked with all sorts of powers.

Word salad ngl. The trailblazer was gazed by nanook, chrysos heirs have nanook’s golden blood. Chyrsos heirs emanator level??? Tb emanator level??

Also why are we theorising this? We are comparing specific emanators, pathstriders and events. Not random ones whose power levels we have to guess. We have actual context in all of these fights.

And in all these fights the emanators get diffed? Interesting

This is the only point in the entire thread with actual scaffolding. Though, you could say that Phainon is not an actual "crowned" Emanator/Lord Ravager. His power is in some way "stolen" and during that fight he was still a simulated being trying to fight the Scepter's firewalls at the same time. We also DO know that Phainon's ACTUAL body, became Irontomb's.

We need to clear up that Lygus is NOT an Emanator. Zandar is. So idk why we are having such a hard time realising that others could be stronger. Especially Evernight.

Bruh evernight and black swan literally call him an emanator. Not to mention he would have had mutual destruction with herta. Unless of course herta the emanator is pathstrider level

We also have the Express crew establishing that Herta could in fact obliterate the Scepter before it awakened. But she did not want to get to that because it would kill the kids and Amphoreus.

How would she do this?

I think a lot of your issues have to do with chainscaling. But that's just how the site seems to work.

Cross scaling between paths is awful yes thats what this thread is getting rid of

Genuinely I think any change on this verse should be halted for a few months.

It was supposed to be but weaver was allowed to post his crt so i thought might as well

 

[Mbpoops]

Also this image was shown to me and… yea nuke the whole generation

All it says is that they have permission to draw from the path not directly from the aeon how the hell did this get accepted

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

So Sparxie’s amp is emanator level now?

The Mask could've elevated Yao and her spiritus to a God so it's nothing to scoff at. And it's strong enough to literally change causality as Yao also said.

You can amp the body with Path Energy, for example when Irontomb made it’s core basically unkillable whilst attempting to Self-Coronate. There’s no reason for Phantylia not to do this, as well.

Also… the arbor was directly planted by Yaoshi, and it had to be shot at by Lan directly lmao. How the hell would it not be equivalent to an Emanator.

Even if you insist on that, DHIL for starters is nothing to scoff anyway. Besides, JY after the battle says that it would take a lot more than what they did to actually finish her off. It's not a Phantylia anti-feat. Especially because the body, as she says, did not take particular preparation nor effort to create. Also, it taking damage means nothing considering the entire point of Abundance Emanators are their regeneration. Blade's body is that of an Emanator's. But he can still be harmed by others. It simply eternally, forcefully regenerates no matter what. But that's just what being a creature of Abundance means.

Right. So Emanators can vary in power depending on how much of it they are given.

Is that a fact for the Emanators we've come across though? Also, Irontomb's power didn't all come from the same source. He had multiple.

He’s directly stated to have entered Path Space.

As far as I know that happened only after he burst with flames. Not before.

And the way she could’ve done this is by…?

Did you not play the story? Screwllum says this multiple times in 3.7. And March. " "March 7th": Besides — and this is just an example — if Madam Herta wanted to, she could have whipped out her Imaginary weapon any time and blasted this "Scepter" to bits."

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Who said she needed killing intent? Shes an emanantor she should be able to knock these kids out with ease. Unless of course sparxie just amps to the level of emanators

I already answered this. The Mask's power is extremely powerful. Besides, this sort of argument can be said about any strong character put in any scenario ever. Let's go downgrade Superman or something because he doesn't just instantly go around the world and catch every criminal. Also, just to be clear, March may be an Emanator but her actual powers haven't awakened yet. Just Evernight who wasn't even there.

Word salad ngl. The trailblazer was gazed by nanook, chrysos heirs have nanook’s golden blood. Chyrsos heirs emanator level??? Tb emanator level??

No wonder this thread is a whole mess then. The Heirs were essentially Pathstriders of Destruction. We quite literally know that this is the sole reason their destinies and lives and curses etc are all like this and they all resort to self-destruction and self-sacrifice one way or another at the end of the cycles and their lives. The game straight up tells you this. The golden blood is Nanook's gift. Why do you think the Xianzhou Alliance wants it? It's Nanook's own blood.

And in all these fights the emanators get diffed? Interesting

Not a single Emanator got diffed in this btw.

Bruh evernight and black swan literally call him an emanator. Not to mention he would have had mutual destruction with herta. Unless of course herta the emanator is pathstrider level

Mind showing scans of Evernight saying that? She only calls him a Genius. And clearly she means Zandar. Not Lygus' body.

"Evernight": Do you still remember how Three Paths are said to intertwine in Amphoreus? That three entities, each comparable to an Emanator, left their marks in this world?"
Black Swan: There's Zandar, Irontomb, and...
"Evernight": That's right. To this day, there have been no signs of the entity corresponding to the Remembrance."

The "mutual destruction" thing wasn't even verified. Herta just backed off because she was cautious and realised something was up. That's like saying Herta's puppets all share her Emanator powers.

How would she do this?

answered already

Cross scaling between paths is awful yes thats what this thread is getting rid of

It was supposed to be but weaver was allowed to post his crt so i thought might as well

Imo it should stay as is for the time being. There's not significant evidence of emanators differing all that much. Perhaps each path adds a specific sort of additional elements such as nihility: regeneration, mind manip immunity or erudition: intelligence etc. But stat-wise? There haven't been significant happenings yet to showcase that.

Genuinely just lock this verse and open it each time an arc finishes.

 

[SuperNova55555]

The Mask could've elevated Yao and her spiritus to a God

Making headcanon for the sake of a thread oml

Also, it taking damage means nothing considering the entire point of Abundance Emanators are their regeneration. Blade's body is that of an Emanator's. But he can still be harmed by others. It simply eternally, forcefully regenerates no matter what. But that's just what being a creature of Abundance means.

Right. So not every Emanator is good at the same aspects… which includes physicality, no? And consequently AP and DC.

Is that a fact for the Emanators we've come across though?

It’s literally stated. The scan is in the OP.

As far as I know that happened only after he burst with flames. Not before.

No. It’s stated he fought all the Pathstriders in Path Space. I.e the little guys as well

Did you not play the story? Screwllum says this multiple times in 3.7. And March. " "March 7th": Besides — and this is just an example — if Madam Herta wanted to, she could have whipped out her Imaginary weapon any time and blasted this "Scepter" to bits."

It’s a rhetorical question. The issue here, if you haven’t noticed, is that Herta can’t destroy the Scepter by herself (even though she’s an Emanator) and must rely on external sources.

 

[Mbpoops]

I already answered this. The Mask's power is extremely powerful. Besides, this sort of argument can be said about any strong character put in any scenario ever. Let's go downgrade Superman or something because he doesn't just instantly go around the world and catch every criminal.

Sure masks are powerful but are the masks granted by sparxie the same ones granted by aha? No. Its pretty blatant since those masks dont even qualify for the phantasmoon games

Also, just to be clear, March may be an Emanator but her actual powers haven't awakened yet. Just Evernight who wasn't even there.

So march is an emanator who cant use emanator powers.. is she really an emanator?

No wonder this thread is a whole mess then. The Heirs were essentially Pathstriders of Destruction. We quite literally know that this is the sole reason their destinies and lives and curses etc are all like this and they all resort to self-destruction and self-sacrifice one way or another at the end of the cycles and their lives. The game straight up tells you this. The golden blood is Nanook's gift. Why do you think the Xianzhou Alliance wants it? It's Nanook's own blood.

This doesnt address what i said at all

Not a single Emanator got diffed in this btw.

Lygus got diffed skaz got diffed by saber and stalemated the trailblazer.

Mind showing scans of Evernight saying that? She only calls him a Genius. And clearly she means Zandar. Not Lygus' body.

"Evernight": Do you still remember how Three Paths are said to intertwine in Amphoreus? That three entities, each comparable to an Emanator, left their marks in this world?"
Black Swan: There's Zandar, Irontomb, and...
"Evernight": That's right. To this day, there have been no signs of the entity corresponding to the Remembrance."

So if zandar is dead right and his avatar is lygus and they are saying zandar is an emanator here why wouldnt we accept lygus as an emanator? Do note this is accepted on his profile currently.

The "mutual destruction" thing wasn't even verified. Herta just backed off because she was cautious and realised something was up. That's like saying Herta's puppets all share her Emanator powers.

Herta puppets are different from lygus

answered already

Nova commented on this

Imo it should stay as is for the time being. There's not significant evidence of emanators differing all that much. Perhaps each path adds a specific sort of additional elements such as nihility: regeneration, mind manip immunity or erudition: intelligence etc. But stat-wise? There haven't been significant happenings yet to showcase that.

Genuinely just lock this verse and open it each time an arc finishes.

Theres actually less evidence of emanators chainscaling off eachother than them chainscaling. its currently accepted literally any emanator feat goes to all other emanators despite paths varying, aeons limiting their emanators, emanators getting high diffed by high schoolers. Literally anyome who beats an emanator would be able to box zephyro currently which doesnt make any sense .

As for the verse lockdown idrc if it is anymore this only affects hsr stuff while most of the broken scans are from hi3 this thread doesnt affect hi3

 

[Mbpoops]

Making headcanon for the sake of a thread oml

well its not headcanon persay hes just exadurating the “god” part but it does enhance her abilities to the point where she would basically become the nous of planarcadia

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Agree with the thread

As for the verse lockdown idrc if it is anymore this only affects hsr stuff while most of the broken scans are from hi3 this thread doesnt affect hi3

doesn’t this affect HI3 cause its S-Rank Low 1-C’s scale off TB and thus would get taken down to 3-B? Ofc Star of Eden tier characters and above are untouched (Herrscher of Thunder / BKE Durandal)

 

[Mbpoops]

Agree with the thread

This doesn’t affect HI3 cause its S-Rank Low 1-C’s scale off TB and thus would get taken down to 3-B?

This is its own problem ngl. This is just welt glazing the trailblazer for beating sunday it doesnt have anything to do with scaling. Not to mention most S ranks have feats that get them here anyway but ill touch hi3 scaling in another thread since most of that sxaling is messed up too

Ofc Star of Eden tier characters and above are untouched (Herrscher of Thunder / BKE Durandal)

Ye

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

This is its own problem ngl. This is just welt glazing the trailblazer for beating sunday it doesnt have anything to do with scaling. Not to mention most S ranks have feats that get them here anyway but ill touch hi3 scaling in another thread since most of that sxaling is messed up too

Yeah that’s a good point. shadow knight fu Hua did manage to actually hurt HOV (which is on her profile for eclipse mode) which is impossible if she’s infinities weaker than her but as you say that’s a story for another day

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

This is its own problem ngl. This is just welt glazing the trailblazer for beating sunday it doesnt have anything to do with scaling. Not to mention most S ranks have feats that get them here anyway but ill touch hi3 scaling in another thread since most of that sxaling is messed up too

Ye

Welt calling TB S Rank also only occurs in a section of the game that is a false reality created by Sunday in which Jing Yuan and Dan Heng oneshot him and the IPC is nice

 

[Mbpoops]

Welt calling TB S Rank also only occurs in a section of the game that is a false reality created by Sunday in which Jing Yuan and Dan Heng oneshot him and the IPC is nice

Well its not to say the events in this part would be inaccurate (jing yuan and dan heng off guarding sunday would most likely kill him IMO) but the whole S rank thing is literally just welt glazing hes not comparing the trailblazer’s strength to an S rank valkrie hes just saying the trailblazer would be S rank

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Well its not to say the events in this part would be inaccurate (jing yuan and dan heng off guarding sunday would most likely kill him IMO) but the whole S rank thing is literally just welt glazing hes not comparing the trailblazer’s strength to an S rank valkrie hes just saying the trailblazer would be S rank

I think it is innacurate because Sunday at the time was basically an Aeon. They couldn’t oneshot him. Still as long as we’re not using it there’s no real need to debate it

 

[Mbpoops]

I think it is innacurate because Sunday at the time was basically an Aeon. They couldn’t oneshot him. Still as long as we’re not using it there’s no real need to debate it

No he was an emanator in the fake dream. (Which i guess is technically a double fake dream now since the 3.8 retcon) aeon sunday = ENAday which he was knocked out of by jade and turned back into an emanator eventually aeon sunday is his egg form

 

[Mbpoops]

No he was an emanator in the fake dream. (Which i guess is technically a double fake dream now since the 3.8 retcon) aeon sunday = ENAday which he was knocked out of by jade and turned back into an emanator eventually aeon sunday is his egg form

Just like to mention we are agreeing that this isnt a power rating we just disagree with eachother’s reasoning lmao

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Making headcanon for the sake of a thread oml

???
"Yao Guang: If I wore the mask, I would become the Nous of Planarcadia, and I would "personally anchor" a destiny that drives us all into a bottomless darkness. We will become locked in a dead end with not a shred of hope for salvation."

Sure masks are powerful but are the masks granted by sparxie the same ones granted by aha? No. Its pretty blatant since those masks dont even qualify for the phantasmoon games

But Sparxie did have Aha's mask. Her followers simply got amped by her power. Even her boss mechanics demonstrate that.

Right. So not every Emanator is good at the same aspects… which includes physicality, no? And consequently AP and DC.

They do have varying physiology and abilities depending on the path. But so far we don't know any that affect AP and DC.

It’s literally stated. The scan is in the OP.

But that doesn't mean that the Emanators we specifically know so far by names vary in power levels too? We have no evidence except for some completely out of context scenes.

No. It’s stated he fought all the Pathstriders in Path Space. I.e the little guys as well

It was not. But even if it was true, it's not like it's pure AP and DC that counts in a fight. Before Phainon's ultimate attack, Zephyro left anyway. Phainon is also not a "pure" emanator directly blessed by an Aeon. He took the power for himself.

It’s a rhetorical question. The issue here, if you haven’t noticed, is that Herta can’t destroy the Scepter by herself (even though she’s an Emanator) and must rely on external sources.

It's never been said that equipment and arsenal don't count towards AP.

So march is an emanator who cant use emanator powers.. is she really an emanator?

I never argued for March being an Emanator. Yet. That side of her is dormant. Evernight is a different story.

This doesnt address what i said at all

How so? You said that a "Gaze" doesn't equate to power which is usually true except in the Scepter's case. Because as we know, the Scepter is a dual emanator of both destruction (being blessed by nanook) and erudition (being a neuron). "Unlike other Scepters, it is the earliest prototype and once served as a Celestial-Body Neuron for Nous, the Erudition.Later discarded. Glimpsed by the Destruction during its endless computation, it transcended and became a Lord Ravager."It's a special case.

Lygus got diffed skaz got diffed by saber and stalemated the trailblazer

Lygus, again, isn't an emanator. Neither Skazs' are actual Emanators either. One is "Ruan Mei: I made a clone, but it... doesn't hold a candle to the Emanator." and the second is made from the Grail. Neither of them are real.

So if zandar is dead right and his avatar is lygus and they are saying zandar is an emanator here why wouldnt we accept lygus as an emanator? Do note this is accepted on his profile currently.

Lygus is a body double. There's no way there's 9 Emanators of Erudition clones running around. Did he split his power? Perhaps and maybe Lygus shares a part of it. But in my opinion, he cannot be an Emanator in official status. If he were, it would've been brought up multiple times the same way Acheron's, Herta's and other Emanators' statuses are. He also avoids answering that question when we ask him: "Lygus's Voice: ...the total destruction of the Erudition. You... also hate the Aeons?/Aren't you an Emanator of Erudition? Lygus's Voice: Do you see me as THEIR faithful disciple? Lygus's Voice: I am certainly not."

Herta puppets are different from lygus

They are but they also have some of her power. If she could infuse them with the full set too, I don't see why she wouldn't. I mean they both share both their creators' consciousness and have their own cognition. They don't differ all that much.

Theres actually less evidence of emanators chainscaling off eachother than them chainscaling. its currently accepted literally any emanator feat goes to all other emanators despite paths varying, aeons limiting their emanators, emanators getting high diffed by high schoolers. Literally anyome who beats an emanator would be able to box zephyro currently which doesnt make any sense

Zephyro could simply be an outlier. Meaning that he could be the only one with much more power given.

About the feat sharing, I think it just needs to be more thoughtful. For example Cyrene restoring the universe has nothing to do with any other Emanator. She was borderline an Aeon at that point. Not comperable to any other Emanator. AP and DC should chainscale imo. I also very much think that the scan about the differing power levels does not include Emanators that are active in the Tree and was only worded that way to mention Emanators like Aha, IX etc that just do whatever the **** and give powers randomly or not at all. I mean you can call this headcanon but w/e but it doesn't make sense that Aeons involving themselves or going to war with one another would want their followers to not be on equal terms. They also have common traits. Similar levels of imaginary energy, their bodies being able to withstand and penetrate the imaginary barriers etc.

 

[SuperNova55555]

???
"Yao Guang: If I wore the mask, I would become the Nous of Planarcadia, and I would "personally anchor" a destiny that drives us all into a bottomless darkness. We will become locked in a dead end with not a shred of hope for salvation."

Yao Guang: But the moment I laid hands on the mask, I understood the consequences of wearing it. Once this miraculous item is donned, the "Eye of Īśvara" would transcend mere sight and permeate throughout this realm. The Kālacakra Skyplume would predict the future of all beings at tens of billions of instances per second.

^ The reason why this happens is because the Mask causes the wearer to be bound to all the beings in Penacony:

Yao Guang: In my humble opinion, this mask binds the Supplicant to all beings of Planarcadia, drawing strength from those who share the same Path here for your use.

Which as you can see is something that causes them to get more energy from the Paths of the surrounding people. Sunday earlier questions how this is possible since Aha can’t grant Harmony powers:

Sunday: How is this possible? This "tuning" power is bestowed by the Harmony. How could the Elation meddle with THEIR authority?

And then Yao Guang js gives the explanation above.

This is not how Emanators work, and them being bound to all beings also explains how Sunday or Yao Guang’s powers connect to all of them.

They do have varying physiology and abilities depending on the path. But so far we don't know any that affect AP and DC.

Yea that’s not an issue. We’d be granting an absurd outlier to assume that Emanators vary in all stats except AP and DC. This is obviously without considering that this statement of your is just a lie either way. We clearly know that AP varies (like with Herta).

Funnily enough though, there’s also a recent statement about Zephyro not being able to take one of Acheron’s hits. Obviously you can js say it’s a funny or unserious statement, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that the verse acknowledges the varying Attack Potencies or durabilities and whatnot.

But that doesn't mean that the Emanators we specifically know so far by names vary in power levels too? We have no evidence except for some completely out of context scenes.

Just saying shit now.

It was not.

But even if it was true, it's not like it's pure AP and DC that counts in a fight.

Sooooooooooo… it varies from character to character?

It's never been said that equipment and arsenal don't count towards AP.

Alright, so we’re just misconflating the point of the thread. Aigh.

 

[Mbpoops]

If all emanators are equal power why did it require 2 emanators to beat invomplete irontomb? Moreover why didnt herta, any of the xienshou, acheron etc just 1v1 irontomb

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

This is not how Emanators work, and them being bound to all beings also explains how Sunday or Yao Guang’s powers connect to all of them.

This just proves that the mask is genuinely super powerful?

this statement of your is just a lie either way

Which one? Prove it. How does Herta demonstrate that?

Just saying shit now.

How so?

Sooooooooooo… it varies from character to character?

That is... not what I said at all? You can have same DP and AP but still not win because of different skill levels, abilities, hax etc.

If all emanators are equal power why did it require 2 emanators to beat invomplete irontomb? Moreover why didnt herta, any of the xienshou, acheron etc just 1v1 irontomb

I already answered that? Irontomb even in his incomplete state draws power from nous, nanook, zandar and its own extrapolations that lasted thousands of years.

 

[Mbpoops]

I already answered that? Irontomb even in his incomplete state draws power from nous, nanook, zandar and its own extrapolations that lasted thousands of years.

Still havent seen a statement ingame that they can draw power directly from aeons on their paths just at a greater level

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Still havent seen a statement ingame that they can draw power directly from aeons on their paths just at a greater level

What? Did we or did we not see irontomb rising from a scepter (emanator of erudition) that was also blessed to be a lord ravager (emanator of destruction) ???

 

[Mbpoops]

What? Did we or did we not see irontomb rising from a scepter (emanator of erudition) that was also blessed to be a lord ravager (emanator of destruction) ???

this is actually a whole lor of nothing because this doesnt prove emanators draw power DIRECTLY from their AEONS

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

this is actually a whole lor of nothing because this doesnt prove emanators draw power DIRECTLY from their AEONS

This has no correlation with what I said? What is it that you want to prove?

 

[Mbpoops]

This has no correlation with what I said? What is it that you want to prove?

You said irontomb draws power from nous nanook and lygus (who isnt even an aeon)

I said that i havent seen a statement ingame that says they can draw power directly from their aeons. I did have a typo so thats my bad but its legit just only authority to draw power from the path at a greater level than mere pathstriders

Also this image was shown to me and… yea nuke the whole generation

All it says is that they have permission to draw from the path not directly from the aeon how the hell did this get accepted

 

[SuperNova55555]

This just proves that the mask is genuinely super powerful?

Which one? Prove it. How does Herta demonstrate that?

How so?

That is... not what I said at all? You can have same DP and AP but still not win because of different skill levels, abilities, hax etc.

I already answered that? Irontomb even in his incomplete state draws power from nous, nanook, zandar and its own extrapolations that lasted thousands of years.

Brother. Herta needs imaginary weapons and ships to do the same shit the other Emanators do. This is all you need to know to reconcile all your issues.

And another thing is that a lot of your messages, like the first one, seem like weird concessions. So there’s not even a point to this argument anymore because you indirectly agree with this thread one way or another, even if you don’t realize it.

 

[Mbpoops]

Herta, an emanator, summoning a fleet of people (which also includes xienshou emanators) to defeat incomplete irontomb (in which they did absolutely nothing it was just cyrene) instead of just extreme diffing him because she forgot they all chainscaled to eachother

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

You said irontomb draws power from nous nanook and lygus (who isnt even an aeon)

I said that i havent seen a statement ingame that says they can draw power directly from their aeons. I did have a typo so thats my bad but its legit just only authority to draw power from the path at a greater level than mere pathstriders

?? Scepters are emanators by nature. And then it got blessed by nanook. Wdym? It literally received powers from both aeons.

Herta needs imaginary weapons and ships to do the same shit the other Emanators do

Such as? Also, again, her crafting something and empowering it doesn't make it less of a feat. Especially if nobody else could do it.

So there’s not even a point to this argument anymore because you indirectly agree with this thread one way or another, even if you don’t realize it.

I agree with only parts of it. I agree that not every feat should be included in every emanator's page to chainscale. Not that all of them aren't around at similar levels of power.

Herta, an emanator, summoning a fleet of people (which also includes xienshou emanators) to defeat incomplete irontomb (in which they did absolutely nothing it was just cyrene) instead of just extreme diffing him because she forgot they all chainscaled to eachother

Again, irontomb draws power from multiple sources on top of his own power charging for thousands of years. Also, in the alternate timeline she did "defeat" him alone despite him being complete. i also dont get the cyrene comparison when she was almost fuli at that time.

 

[Mbpoops]

?? Scepters are emanators by nature. And then it got blessed by nanook. Wdym? It literally received powers from both aeons.

Doesnt answer what i was saying

Again, irontomb draws power from multiple sources on top of his own power charging for thousands of years. Also, in the alternate timeline she did "defeat" him alone despite him being complete.

1. Didnt show me any proof he can draw from their AEONS DIRECTLY im not saying they cant drae from multiple sources they can have multiple paths bruh

2. She assimilated with him it even says herta “payed the ultimate price” which means she died

We know its you garrixianXD

 

[SuperNova55555]

Also, again, her crafting something and empowering it doesn't make it less of a feat.

Can I ask you a question. Do you think the shit she crafts scale to her physical AP?

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Doesnt answer what i was saying

1. Didnt show me any proof he can draw from their AEONS DIRECTLY im not saying they cant drae from multiple sources they can have multiple paths bruh

2. She assimilated with him it even says herta “payed the ultimate price” which means she died

We know its you garrixianXD

1. For starters, how does that affect anything? Secondly, in your own scan it says that emanators are crafted by aeons. Thirdly, even in some loading screen tips it says that emanators have their powers directly granted by aeons. Where else would they be drawing them from? Also if you think there's a big distinction between path and aeon, you would be wrong. Paths rise when aeons rise too. Paths are aeons and vice versa.

2. she was assimilated but that means she destroyed his head to replace it with herself.

Idk who that is. Focus on the arguments please.

Can I ask you a question. Do you think the shit she crafts scale to her physical AP?

If it has her power and crafting is part of her power then yes? Is there any page in which engineer/creators/craftsmen/blacksmith characters don't have the AP/DC of their creations and weaponry because they made them? Show me a few examples if so.

 

[SuperNova55555]

If it has her power and crafting is part of her power then yes? Is there any page in which engineer/creators/craftsmen/blacksmith characters don't have the AP/DC of their creations and weaponry because they made them? Show me a few examples if so.

I specified her "physical AP" though. As in, her physical stats. Not her equipment