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Oh no, you were doing so well. L1-C actually makes sense.
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Comprehensive Review of the Instant Death
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What is being called "unreliable" exactly? Because it having 4 spatial dimensions is directly stated by the narration, which is what matters here. Like even down to the part where it says normal people cant perceive it nor access it, it all aligns with how an extra degree of movement would work.
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Are you ignoring the other part, that it was accepted as "unknown", without the "infinity dosen't exist " part...
But yeah, it was debunked due to inconsistencies, antifeats, and more. I would send the threads and feats with this, but I already explained above why I am having a hard time with it rn.
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I think UMR is saying that the unknown rating doesn't actually affect the Sea since the sea would still be L1-C. Even if it's “Unknown” it doesn't matter.
The Unknown rating is via virtue of it's size and not being able to prove that the dimensions are significant (tierable)
What UMR is saying is that the significance/size of the Abyss won't affect the Sea
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Im not ignoring it. It being "Unknown" just doesnt matter. You do realize you can be unknown and still have 4 spatial dimensions, right? So it doesnt impact anything.
Okay, show the antifeats then.
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you're having a hard time with it rn because the antifeats aren't really there
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NEP when ?
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i think its sad how many of the scans have been constructed in a way that makes it look like they're crazy antifeats when in reality they're not legit antifeats at all
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Brother, it was only classified as “unknown” because of the infinity argument. That argument was used to refute the infinite-sized Heavenly Foundations, which made the Abyss fail to meet the required size, resulting in its classification as unknown. We are currently correcting these issues, so please stop bringing errors from previous threads or from Cosmology pages as evidence here. We are here to fix those mistakes, and you keep citing them, which I honestly can no longer tolerate.
Sweet Dao relied on only two Heavenly Foundations to claim that the other foundations were not cosmic in size, even though the novels explicitly state that they are universes and that there are Heavenly Foundations of infinite size. Sweet Dao used the argument that infinity does not exist in order to deny these infinite-sized Heavenly Foundations. Since that time, Heavenly Foundations were considered not to be cosmic in size.
Now, since the infinity argument has been refuted, everything changes. The context of the universes is now fixed, and the infinite-sized Heavenly Foundations truly are infinite. The Abyss intersects with all these Heavenly Foundations, meaning that anyone in the Abyss can reach anywhere in the Heavenly Foundations. This implies that the Abyss is now infinite in size, as the other Heavenly Foundations have returned to their infinite size after the infinity argument was debunked. Therefore, the Abyss should be classified as infinite in size, meeting the required size, and will no longer be considered unknown, unlike what is currently reflected in the Cosmology classification you are citing.
You cannot refute the infinite Heavenly Foundations. Sweet Dao relied on the infinity argument to do so, but that has been refuted. For this reason, the Abyss is infinite in size, will meet the criteria, and will no longer be classified as unknown.
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Currently it is not, but that's what this thread is about.
What I'm seeing is that the size was the main issue. But that's not relevant to the Sea, as it contains it and is infinite meaning it would be Low 1-C either way.
Even if this is true, it would just mean "Varies, up to Low 2-C" but you'd need to prove the size of any singular space for anything tiering related.
It's a Ben 10/Ninjago-level leading question and shouldn't be used in my view. For the same reason why the larger Ben 10 and Ninjago statements aren't used even if they're in-depth. The root question is leading.
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You should probably make another thread for this.
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this just sounds like a medaka box situatuion tbh, ajimu knew about the anime and even read her own manga, its not really a feat imo
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Not really? Yogiri can kill the "Mysterious Space," so he would scale to it.
That aside, this should be a topic left for another thread.
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that wasnt on the context so yeah ig it changes, but we need another topic to see whats canon and whats not
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soooo does sraff alsi agree with H1B? it just says everything except outer
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No, the vote tally in the OP is outdated.
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The Celestial Foundations will all be 2-B, and it will be specified that Yogiri’s Foundation and Baila’s Foundation are the only two that are the size of a solar system, unlike the other Celestial Foundations, which are universes, some of which are infinite in size.
I stated 2-B for each Foundation, and the reason is that I have now refuted the idea that the parallel worlds operate at the level of the entire Sea. Instead, they are parallel worlds that belong to each individual Celestial Foundation only, and this is what I will demonstrate in the next comment.
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Regarding the parallel worlds, they do not actually operate at the level of the Sea as some believe. In reality, each Celestial Foundation contains its own parallel worlds, as everyone can see here.
Toichiro destroyed the entire world and all the parallel worlds branching from it, as shown here. He was moving between the parallel worlds within that single world, but UEG’s attacks were always reaching those worlds before him. Wherever Toichiro went among these parallel worlds, UEG’s attacks arrived first and destroyed him.
As gods, they are capable of erasing all infinite parallel worlds, the universe, the dimensions, and the higher universe with a single attack. The gods are also near-omniscient and near-omnipotent, so it is easy for them to determine his location even among countless parallel worlds.
After all of this, Toichiro decided to leave that entire world along with all its parallel worlds and destroy it, destroying the world together with every parallel world branching from it. This proves that each world has its own set of parallel worlds, which contradicts the interpretation that Sweet Dao presented.
Toichiro destroyed the entire world and all the parallel worlds branching from it, as shown here. He was moving between the parallel worlds within that single world, but UEG’s attacks were always reaching those worlds before him. Wherever Toichiro went among these parallel worlds, UEG’s attacks arrived first and destroyed him.
As gods, they are capable of erasing all infinite parallel worlds, the universe, the dimensions, and the higher universe with a single attack. The gods are also near-omniscient and near-omnipotent, so it is easy for them to determine his location even among countless parallel worlds.
After all of this, Toichiro decided to leave that entire world along with all its parallel worlds and destroy it, destroying the world together with every parallel world branching from it. This proves that each world has its own set of parallel worlds, which contradicts the interpretation that Sweet Dao presented.
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Ok so just to make sure:
Oblivion: Fine with 1C, disagree with the rest
Reiner: Same as oblivion
Quasd: Fine with 1C, disagree with the rest
I think am missing one but I dont remember my bad
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I know everything. After the discussion ends, I will determine everything and organize the details, because the discussion is still ongoing.
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The size of the Celestial Foundations are still in contention. But for the rest, yeah.
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Ok cool, wating for the OP to update the votes then
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You yourself said that 2 Celestial Foundations are solar systems, so how could they all be 2B?
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Review about Instant Death.
I want to discuss the contradictions between the novel Instant Death and the novel The Demon King vs. the Hero regarding narrative, as the two works contradict each other in many ways, and one of the most important is the matter of infinity, which is said to be merely an abstract concept...
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Can you explain what is supposed to be controversial here? In the novel, it is stated that only Yogiri’s Foundation and Bayla’s Foundation are the small ones, while the work clearly describes the Celestial Foundations as universes, which makes them cosmic in size, and some of them are even infinite in size. Furthermore, if we go back to the thread opened by Sweet Dao, he relied on the argument about the non-existence of infinity to deny the existence of infinite Celestial Foundations, in order to argue that the Foundations therefore do not reach the required scale. However, that argument has already been refuted.
In short, Sweet Dao relied on the “no infinity” argument to dismiss what the staff members said at the time, as well as the arguments of all the supporters. You can check here, here, here, and here for the comments that were used against the staff and the supporters. Therefore, there is nothing controversial here unless people want to create issues that did not originally exist and that only appeared because of the infinity problem.
As for the tier, the Celestial Foundations will all be 2-B, except for Yogiri’s Foundation and Bayla’s Foundation, and this will be clarified in the cosmology page since they are the only two small Foundations.
I have also presented here the argument that contradicts what Sweet Dao said about the parallel worlds. Any claim that contradicts what is explicitly shown in the work is simply incorrect and invalid—especially since this is not merely a statement but an actual event that occurred in the story ↓
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This will be my last message
The issue is as mentioned, the original debunks had nothing to do with "Infinity", and there's already a CRT that implemented the changes regarding infinity brought to the verse... And as proven above, the debunk had nothing to do with "infinity", thus all the arguments in the OP is fully missing the point of the downgrades, and bring nothing new.
Hell, Azerty tried to bring it up in the CRT, but was firmly rejected.
With these responses, first, second, third. Not to mention, as the debunk, as already mentioned, didn't include infinity as the reason for it.
Thus, I think that accepting the CRT ratings is wrong, since the arguments have nothing to do with the debunks, but also ignore the actual thread that implemented the changes.
So yeah, I think you misunderstand the situation regarding this thread a bit, since at least from what I am seeing, not only is it misleading, but also dirty.
This should paint a better picture of why I think of this proposal and thread as I am.
Here is the thing, though. The arguments in the OP rely solely on the fact that "infinity is now accepted within the verse, thus the debunks are bunk".
The issue is as mentioned, the original debunks had nothing to do with "Infinity", and there's already a CRT that implemented the changes regarding infinity brought to the verse... And as proven above, the debunk had nothing to do with "infinity", thus all the arguments in the OP is fully missing the point of the downgrades, and bring nothing new.
Hell, Azerty tried to bring it up in the CRT, but was firmly rejected.
With these responses, first, second, third. Not to mention, as the debunk, as already mentioned, didn't include infinity as the reason for it.
Thus, I think that accepting the CRT ratings is wrong, since the arguments have nothing to do with the debunks, but also ignore the actual thread that implemented the changes.
So yeah, I think you misunderstand the situation regarding this thread a bit, since at least from what I am seeing, not only is it misleading, but also dirty.
This should paint a better picture of why I think of this proposal and thread as I am.
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This honestly doesnt matter because the feats/statements still speak for themselves. Like, regardless of Azerty's claim of "The ratings should be back since the concept of infinity has been reapplied", it doesnt invalidate the rating for the Abyss/Sea as Qaw said, and consequently the same applies for the rest of the stuff that exist above those two. We can simply evaluate the things for what they are right now, instead of relying on "we should just turn things back", since it isnt needed for the Tier 1 argument. I probably worded this poorly, but hopefully you get it.
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No worries, I also regularly mess up with wording.
What I have a problem with is how the OP is trying to argue for something that is false, and makes the OP very misleading. I have no issues with the arguments you make regarding the statements; I just wish it would be done in a far more proper fashion than this. (While I do disagree with them, it is not the issue that I have problems with)
I hope that clears things up.
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Since this thread got enough votes and more than 48h have passed, I'll apply what has been accepted.
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Celestial Foundation possibly being 2-A with infinite possibilities
“Your strength stems from connecting to yourself in numerous parallel worlds, does it not? That makes your power next to infinite. Even if you died
here, that would be like no more than losing a single hair. I was able to
understand that much, so I killed you in all of those parallel worlds as well.”
“No way. How is that even possible?”
“It is something you are capable of, so how hard is it to believe there are
others with the ability to operate across dimensions? For a god, such strength
is expected. Conflict between gods necessitates the ability to search for your
opponent’s backups and erase them all at once.”
here, that would be like no more than losing a single hair. I was able to
understand that much, so I killed you in all of those parallel worlds as well.”
“No way. How is that even possible?”
“It is something you are capable of, so how hard is it to believe there are
others with the ability to operate across dimensions? For a god, such strength
is expected. Conflict between gods necessitates the ability to search for your
opponent’s backups and erase them all at once.”
Luciela quietly drew the knife.The infinite possibilities arising from that movement converged into a single point, eliminating the possibility of missing.The knife was supposed to pierce Paella.
It was a statement that called his protagonist potential into question, yet Ende smiled. She was a bit anxious, but it was unlikely that any monster could beat someone who had shaken off his restraints to this degree. If he could use his protagonist advantage to its fullest, there was a chance he could win the Divine Vessels War.
“But ‘Enemy X’ and ‘awakening’ and stuff... it’s all a bit vague, isn’t it?” Ende asked.
“Eh, the details can be filled in later.”
Perhaps those were the sorts of details that were filled in later. Right now, they existed in a state of infinite overlapping possibilities.
“But ‘Enemy X’ and ‘awakening’ and stuff... it’s all a bit vague, isn’t it?” Ende asked.
“Eh, the details can be filled in later.”
Perhaps those were the sorts of details that were filled in later. Right now, they existed in a state of infinite overlapping possibilities.
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Yes, that is good. I did not notice that point. Based on the evidence you presented and the evidence I also provided, the Celestial Foundations will be 2-A.
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So erm, what rating is true from yogiri getting, 1C?
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Haha, it will actually be 1-A. I still have more arguments that I will present now which will place it directly at 1-A.
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I dont see how that 2nd and 3rd statement is supposed to help when those seem to be just possibilities and not something physical.
The 1st one seems good, but why would those parallel worlds be inside the Celestial Foundation?
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The period grace + the approval of thishas ended you can’t add new stuff to my understanding. Are you really the only one who cares about ID? I can help you if you want
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It’s not something new. It concerns the 1-A tier that I already mentioned in the thread. I will just add the complete arguments, but the topic remains the same, which is Yogiri’s 1-A level.
How would you help me? Do you mean the 1-A tier?
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