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I still have many questions about Bill's abstract existence type 1 idea, if his soul/mind is abstract then do people who touch his soul have NPI? Like when he shook hands with Stanford, Dipper in the mindscape for example, and if he has AE1 along with Immortality 8,9 then why when Stanford's memory was erased then immortality didn't work or did it erase his abstract existence idea aspect too?
 
There is no Mindscape “Form”, we already went over that long time ago.
What do you mean? I saw this mentioned in this note on Bill's profile.
"Though it should be noted that Invisibility, Abstract Existence, Incorporeality and Nonexistent Physiology are limited due to them applying only to Bill's Mindscape Form, which acts as the incorporeal soul, mind and energy of his 3-Dimensional physical body"
 
What do you mean?
I saw this mentioned in this note on Bill's profile.
"Though it should be noted that Invisibility, Abstract Existence, Incorporeality and Nonexistent Physiology are limited due to them applying only to Bill's Mindscape Form, which acts as the incorporeal soul, mind and energy of his 3-Dimensional physical body"
He quite literally exists as an idea in Mindscape. That’s his living. Which is different from Dipper, Mabel, etc.
 
I see, but I still want more things about Realm of Idea, I think even if it's not enough for a type 1 concept, it can still be enough for a type 2 concept.
 
Hmmm... I'm thinking, should we change Bill's Information Manipulation type 2 to Information Destruction (Type 2)? Like, destroying something doesn't necessarily mean you can manipulate it.
 
Hmmm... I'm thinking, should we change Bill's Information Manipulation type 2 to Information Destruction (Type 2)? Like, destroying something doesn't necessarily mean you can manipulate it.
Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself.

Also the Weirdmageddon is implied to be capable of altering stuff on an informational level if it can destroy it with Weirdness.
 
Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself.

Also the Weirdmageddon is implied to be capable of altering stuff on an informational level if it can destroy it with Weirdness.
Do you think Realm of Idea can still be Concept Type 2?
 
Reviving this with a bang

 
I tried asking you on Discord whether Bill would have a 1 layer NEP3 (not applicable in combat) after being eliminated in Stanley's mindscape, but I didn't get a reply, so I wanted to ask here what you think about it?
No, why would he have 1 layer?
 
No, why would he have 1 layer?
Because in the NEP it says:
"Characters of this nature often exist as something beyond the normal scope of the physical and metaphysical worlds and instead exist as an idea or other unconventional state. Examples of possible portrayals include, but are not limited to, existing in a state of being prior to being born in any form or as a character who has been a victim of Existence Erasure, yet can still act and think in some way."
So if it's not NEP3 1 layer, it should be NEP1, right? (And also because he's Bill Cipher, of course.)
 
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"Characters of this nature often exist as something beyond the normal scope of the physical and metaphysical worlds and instead exist as an idea or other unconventional state. Examples of possible portrayals include, but are not limited to, existing in a state of being prior to being born in any form or as a character who has been a victim of Existence Erasure, yet can still act and think in some way."
So if it's not NEP3 1 layer, it should be NEP1, right?
Huh... Bill cannot act after being erased, though.
 
Huh... Bill cannot act after being erased, though.
Yeah, but what I mean is he can still think or do somethings like shake hand with Axolotl (and even create the book) after being erased in The Book of Bills, but he can't use his powers anymore, which is why I said "non–applicable in combat."
 
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Yeah, but what I mean is he can still think or do somethings like shake hand with Axolotl after being erased in The Book of Bills, but he can't use his powers, which is why I said "non–applicable in combat."
This is the equivalent of saying that any character who has High-Godly regen should have NEP because they can still "think" to regenerate after being erased on a fundamental level.
 
This is the equivalent of saying that any character who has High-Godly regen should have NEP because they can still "think" to regenerate after being erased on a fundamental level.
I mean, Monika still had NEP after being erased, so why couldn't Bill? But whatever. (Unless the "act" here is using power, then fine.)
 
I mean, Monika still had NEP after being erased, so why couldn't Bill? But whatever. (Unless the "act" here is using power, then fine.)
Monika has NEP because she can fully act and behave as if nothing happened, as her body and file are like a person's hair: they hurt if they're pulled out, but are not necessary to live.

Bill has nothing like that, he has no feats of doing much while erased.
 
Monika has NEP because she can fully act and behave as if nothing happened, as her body and file are like a person's hair: they hurt if they're pulled out, but are not necessary to live.

Bill has nothing like that, he has no feats of doing much while erased.
What I meant was that the limitations section of NEP states: "As the user no longer exists, they may be unable to interact with reality," which is why I said Bill's NEP is inapplicable in combat. But I guess I'll post a thread asking about this issue.
 
What I meant was that the limitations section of NEP states: "As the user no longer exists, they may be unable to interact with reality," which is why I said Bill's NEP is inapplicable in combat. But I guess I'll post a thread asking about this issue.
I think there's also a notability issue too of what they do with said NEP.
 
I do not think it's remotely the same,
I know Immortality and NEP are different, but I was just giving an example(Like if something non-combat like Immortality types 4 and 7 is still on the site, why isn't NEP?).
Bill's NEP isn't even remotely mentioned lol.
What I mean is, the NEP says that a character, after being erased from existence, can still think or act in some way even though they can't interact with reality. Bill fits that description, so even if he's not directly mentioned in the film, it could still be a possibility, right?
 
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I know Immortality and NEP are different, but I was just giving an example(Like if something non-combat like Immortality types 4 and 7 is still on the site, why isn't NEP?). Anyway, what do you think of Bill's non-combat NEP 1?
Not Combat applicable isn't the same as Not Notable, though. Type 4 Immortality is something he still can use.

Like do we give to people like Frisk NEP only because they can wish themselves back to life after body and soul destruction?
 
Not Combat applicable isn't the same as Not Notable, though. Type 4 Immortality is something he still can use.

Like do we give to people like Frisk NEP only because they can wish themselves back to life after body and soul destruction?
Huh... Anyways i just post a thread about this issue.

 
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Not Combat applicable isn't the same as Not Notable, though. Type 4 Immortality is something he still can use.

Like do we give to people like Frisk NEP only because they can wish themselves back to life after body and soul destruction?
I think if Aegis Blade got NEP1, why couldn't Bill?
 
(I mean, even after being erased, he could still chat with Axolotl, shake hands, or even create a book, but whatever, I'm bored and it's just non-combat so ignore it.)
bro really gave evidence that I forgot before quitting lol (I have bad memory fr).

ig it's fine.
 
What I mean is, people and the mods will pay more attention to someone who helped Bill Cipher reach the Hyperversal tier than to an unknown like me.
This is a very unhealthy way of thinking, I cannot do everything, I have a life and all of that jank too lol.
 
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