Miraculous CRT Part 9

[Lort15]

Upgrades:

Cat Blanc:

• Change the possibly rating to solid Low 2-C as it was clear that he was about to trigger the end of the timeline, the Mega Cataclysm made Bunnix unable to travel through time by sutting down all the windows in her pocket dimension that shows/allows her to travel through past, present and future.
• Change MFTL+ attack speed to Immeasurable attack speed: The Mega Cataclysm's covered the entire timeline (4-D) to destroy it as it is clear that the blast affects past, present and the future itself, our Immeasurable speed standart allows this such this upgrade
  
  - Immeasurable (Movement unbound from the flow of linear time, which cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined, the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below)

Timebreaker:
- Immeasurable speed at peak addition (With enough energy, she is capable of traveling through time with sheer speed. Absorbing energy from people amplifies her speed, as she stated that if they get faster, Ladybug and Cat Noir will be no match for them, and decides to absorb energy from others to get faster.)
Note: Ladybug and Cat Noir won't get any upgrade from this as they don't have that much supportive feats to qualify such this big speed upgrade but the evidence can be used as a supportive speed feat without actually scaling them to this level.


Pharaoh:
- Pharaoh’s new key addition, Turtle Miraculous Power and Nigh-Omniscient intelligence rating (Has the power of truth; he bestowed this power upon his book, allowing it to know everything, including the past, present; scan 1, scan 2, and future; scan 1, scan 2).


Ladybug:

• Miraculous Ladybug Restoration Types: Physical (Matter Manipulation), Immaterial (Metaphysical: Emotions), Temporal, Energy (Miraculous Ladybug can restore any damage happend during the battle, including collapsed buildings, destroyed city or a vaporized Robot, can restore lost memories that erased by Oblivio, can restore altered emotional states caused by Dark Cupid and Physcomedian, can restore People's vital energy that stolen by Backwarder, can restore the time anomalies caused by Sass, could restore Cat Noir's stamina back who was exaushted because of taking blows from Weredad)
• Ressurection & Healing Upgrade: Low-Godly (Capable of healing people who were erased from the timeline, capable of healing people who were vaporized, also should be capable of healing people from Red Moon's Existence erasure as it stated that Miraculous Ladybug can restore damage caused by Supervillians, healed Ladybug's pixeleted arm and leg, regenerated people from turning into dust by Style Queen, healed people who were turned into buble state and absorped by Gamer, ressurected the people who were turned into ashes by Yenaldoshi)
• BFR (Can move the objects, people, cars, The Earth, etc. to their previous places)
• Existence Erasure (The Miraculous Ladybug restores everything back how it was originally before the fight which means it returns their powers to the state which they didn't exist; Capable of erasing a Sentimonster, erased Horrificator's slime cages, capable of erasing Gamer's Mech, erased Antibug's anticharm, nullified Puppeteer's Mind control/body puppetry, nullified Reflekta's transmutation that turned people into reflektas, erased Pixelator's pocket dimension, erased Dark Owl's technology, erased Christmaster's army, erased Big Vines that is created by Weredad)
• Heat Manipulation (Melted Stormy Weather's ice)
• Pocket Reality Manipulation (Can bypass Bunnix's Pocket Reality Manipulation, which only allows Rabbit Miraculous holders to travel through time.)
• Spoiler

  [*]Greatly Enhanced Power Nullification (High degree; Capable of negating the side effects of the Snake Miraculous’ power; capable of negating Cat Noir’s Cataclysm, which inflicts bad luck, diseases, and madness on the target; capable of negating Venom, the power of the Bee Miraculous that immobilizes the target; capable of nullifying the side effects of Trixx’s power, which is Illusion Manipulation; stated to be capable of nullifying the damage caused by Supervillian(s) which means, it is capable of negating all the powers of both the Peacock and Butterfly Miraculouses, which create Akumatized villains and Sentimonsters with superpowers, including: nullified Pharaoh’s Time Bubbles and people who were transmuted into mummies; nullified Lady Wifi’s powers that allow her to stop people’s actions via time stop; capable of negating Roger Cop’s Body Puppetry; nullified Dark Blade’s power, which transmuted and mind controlled people who were turned into knights; negated Kung Food’s mind control; neutralized Gamer’s power that allows him to transmute and absorb people and objects such as buses; neutralized Animan’s animal control; nullified Guitar Villain’s mind manipulation; nullified Princess Fragrance’s fragrance manipulation and mind control; nullified Simon Says’ mind control; nullified Stoneheart’s mind control and the Akumas possessing, mind controlling, and granting powers to people; nullified the Collector’s absorption; nullified Befana’s petrification, transmutation, and power bestowal, including giving additional limbs like wings; neutralized Dark Owl’s technology manipulation; nullified Glaciator’s petrification; nullified Syren’s water manipulation; nullified Frightningale’s ability to inflict aura and petrification; capable of neutralizing Reverser’s statistical reduction, mind manipulation, morality manipulation, perception manipulation, and power modification; nullified Sandboy's Reality Warping & Subjective Reality that allows him to bring people’s nightmares to life, also nullifying its Power Nullification and statistic reducution; nullified Oblivio's energy blast that has ability to erase people's memory; nullified Frozer’s ice manipulation; nullified Backwarder’s time rewind; nullified Reflekdoll’s transmutation; nullified Silencer’s sound absorption; nullified; nullified Miraculer’s absorption, who stole Ladybug’s, Cat Noir’s, Carapace’s, and Rena Rouge’s powers; nullified Gamer 2.0’s all abilities; nullified Stormy Weather 2’s powers; nullified Timetagger’s BFR that sends people to the past and causes time anomalies; nullified Puppeteer 2’s powers that allow her to bring wax statues to life and grant them powers; nullified Wishmaker’s Reality Warping & Subjective Reality that brings people’s childhood dreams to life; nullified Simpleman’s stupefying effect; nullified Penalteam’s forcefield; nullified Risk’s effect that forces people to take risks; nullified Darker Owl’s Jubilation, which shows people their greatest desires; nullified Manipula’s animation ability that also grants powers to wax statues and still works against the Ox Miraculous’ invulnerability, which prevents people from being affected by superpowers in the verse; nullified the fire caused by Glaciator, who possesses Tiger Miraculous explosions; nullified the Monkey Miraculous’ power from Cat Noir; nullified Night Tormentor’s nightmare & fear manipulation; nullified Technolizer’s ability to absorb technology and many more).
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  Agree: AsterReal, Reiner04 (Agrees with everything), DemonicDude, Lloydblitzed, Apex_Predator_GX, Fared, KaramcaS (Agrees with Cat Blanc stuff, no opinion on the rest)
  Disagree:
  Neutral:

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Upgrades:

Cat Blanc:

• Change the possibly rating to solid Low 2-C as it was clear that he was about to trigger the end of the timeline, the Mega Cataclysm made Bunnix unable to travel through time by sutting down all the windows in her pocket dimension that shows/allows her to travel through past, present and future.

Never understood why is it possibly, it was very clear.

• Change MFTL+ attack speed to Immeasurable attack speed: The Mega Cataclysm's covered the entire timeline (4-D) to destroy it as it is clear that the blast affects past, present and the future itself, our Immeasurable speed standart allows this such this upgrade
  
  - Immeasurable (Movement unbound from the flow of linear time, which cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined, the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below)

Timebreaker:
- Immeasurable speed at peak addition (With enough energy, she is capable of traveling through time with sheer speed. Absorbing energy from people amplifies her speed, as she stated that if they get faster, Ladybug and Cat Noir will be no match for them, and decides to absorb energy from others to get faster.)
Note: Ladybug and Cat Noir won't get any upgrade from this as they don't have that much supportive feats to qualify such this big speed upgrade but the evidence can be used as a supportive speed feat without actually scaling them to this level.

I don't understand much of immensurable speed I guess it's fine.

Pharaoh:
- Pharaoh’s new key addition, Turtle Miraculous Power and Omniscient intelligence rating (Has the power of truth; he bestowed this power upon his book, allowing it to know everything, including the past, present; scan 1, scan 2, and future; scan 1, scan 2).

I guess it's fine although I don't quite like the idea of he really being omniscient since he is the result of the butterfly miraculous and not atually a god that exist in this verse even more so when the closest thing to a god is Gimmi

Ladybug:

• Miraculous Ladybug Restoration Types: Physical (Matter Manipulation), Immaterial (Metaphysical: Emotions), Temporal, Energy (Miraculous Ladybug can restore any damage happend during the battle, including collapsed buildings, destroyed city or a vaporized Robot, can restore lost memories that erased by Oblivio, can restore altered emotional states caused by Dark Cupid and Physcomedian, can restore People's vital energy that stolen by Backwarder, can restore the time anomalies caused by Sass, could restore Cat Noir's stamina back who was exaushted because of taking blows from Weredad)

Sure.

• Ressurection & Healing Upgrade: Low-Godly (Capable of healing people who were erased from the timeline, capable of healing people who were vaporized, also should be capable of healing people from Red Moon's Existence erasure as it stated that Miraculous Ladybug can restore damage caused by Supervillians, healed Ladybug's pixeleted arm and leg, regenerated people from turning into dust by Style Queen, healed people who were turned into buble state and absorped by Gamer, ressurected the people who were turned into ashes by Yenaldoshi)

I guess it's fine? I don't really know my way around godly stuff.

• BFR (Can move the objects, people, cars, The Earth, etc. to their previous places)

This one is really weird, kinda is the opposite of BFR since she is restoring them back to their original place.

• Existence Erasure (The Miraculous Ladybug restores everything back how it was originally before the fight which means it returns their powers to the state which they didn't exist; Capable of erasing a Sentimonster, erased Horrificator's slime cages, capable of erasing Gamer's Mech, erased Antibug's anticharm, nullified Puppeteer's Mind control/body puppetry, nullified Reflekta's transmutation that turned people into reflektas, erased Pixelator's pocket dimension, erased Dark Owl's technology, erased Christmaster's army, erased Big Vines that is created by Weredad)

I guess technically is true but it's more so a consequence of things being fixed not really existance erasure, it's like saying you have EE because you can go back in time and stop someone from being born.

• Heat Manipulation (Melted Stormy Weather's ice)

Weird but ok.

• Pocket Reality Manipulation (Can bypass Bunnix's Pocket Reality Manipulation, which only allows Rabbit Miraculous holders to travel through time.)

This one I disagree, the butterflies entered an already open portal and then gone back in time through them, it didn't actually "manipulate" anything.

• Spoiler

  [*]Greatly Enhanced Power Nullification (High degree; Capable of negating the side effects of the Snake Miraculous’ power; capable of negating Cat Noir’s Cataclysm, which inflicts bad luck, diseases, and madness on the target; capable of negating Venom, the power of the Bee Miraculous that immobilizes the target; capable of nullifying the side effects of Trixx’s power, which is Illusion Manipulation; stated to be capable of nullifying the damage caused by Supervillian(s) which means, it is capable of negating all the powers of both the Peacock and Butterfly Miraculouses, which create Akumatized villains and Sentimonsters with superpowers, including: nullified Pharaoh’s Time Bubbles and people who were transmuted into mummies; nullified Lady Wifi’s powers that allow her to stop people’s actions via time stop; capable of negating Roger Cop’s Body Puppetry; nullified Dark Blade’s power, which transmuted and mind controlled people who were turned into knights; negated Kung Food’s mind control; neutralized Gamer’s power that allows him to transmute and absorb people and objects such as buses; neutralized Animan’s animal control; nullified Guitar Villain’s mind manipulation; nullified Princess Fragrance’s fragrance manipulation and mind control; nullified Simon Says’ mind control; nullified Stoneheart’s mind control and the Akumas possessing, mind controlling, and granting powers to people; nullified the Collector’s absorption; nullified Befana’s petrification, transmutation, and power bestowal, including giving additional limbs like wings; neutralized Dark Owl’s technology manipulation; nullified Glaciator’s petrification; nullified Syren’s water manipulation; nullified Frightningale’s ability to inflict aura and petrification; capable of neutralizing Reverser’s statistical reduction, mind manipulation, morality manipulation, perception manipulation, and power modification; nullified Sandboy's Reality Warping & Subjective Reality that allows him to bring people’s nightmares to life, also nullifying its Power Nullification and statistic reducution; nullified Oblivio's energy blast that has ability to erase people's memory; nullified Frozer’s ice manipulation; nullified Backwarder’s time rewind; nullified Reflekdoll’s transmutation; nullified Silencer’s sound absorption; nullified; nullified Miraculer’s absorption, who stole Ladybug’s, Cat Noir’s, Carapace’s, and Rena Rouge’s powers; nullified Gamer 2.0’s all abilities; nullified Stormy Weather 2’s powers; nullified Timetagger’s BFR that sends people to the past and causes time anomalies; nullified Puppeteer 2’s powers that allow her to bring wax statues to life and grant them powers; nullified Wishmaker’s Reality Warping & Subjective Reality that brings people’s childhood dreams to life; nullified Simpleman’s stupefying effect; nullified Penalteam’s forcefield; nullified Risk’s effect that forces people to take risks; nullified Darker Owl’s Jubilation, which shows people their greatest desires; nullified Manipula’s animation ability that also grants powers to wax statues and still works against the Ox Miraculous’ invulnerability, which prevents people from being affected by superpowers in the verse; nullified the fire caused by Glaciator, who possesses Tiger Miraculous explosions; nullified the Monkey Miraculous’ power from Cat Noir; nullified Night Tormentor’s nightmare & fear manipulation; nullified Technolizer’s ability to absorb technology and many more).
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Don't understand what you want here, there is no such thing as a "high degree" type and "greatly enhanced" seems unnecessary, if you want to argue layers you need to prove them otherwise greatly or "high degree" doesn't really make any difference.

Also one thing I don't get is why are we assuming their power became stronger over time? I mean sure you can maybe argue for their physicals because they "grow up" but their powers such as miraculous ladybug or cataclysm we have no real reason to believe it gets stronger, they simply use the level of "power" required for that situation.

 

[AsterReal]

Everything looks good.

 

[AsterReal]

Don't understand what you want here, there is no such thing as a "high degree" type and "greatly enhanced" seems unnecessary, if you want to argue layers you need to prove them otherwise greatly or "high degree" doesn't really make any difference.

These terms are used on this wiki. They refer to situations where a skill is more powerful than usual or has been significantly improved.

 

[Lort15]

I guess it's fine although I don't quite like the idea of he really being omniscient since he is the result of the butterfly miraculous and not atually a god that exist in this verse even more so when the closest thing to a god is Gimmi

you don't need to be a god for that intelligence rating and since the book has no anti-feats omniscient also he is akumatized into egypt god as well, it can be via book tho since he didn't show the feat by himself but he possesed the power itself

I guess it's fine? I don't really know my way around godly stuff.

MLB regenerated them from EE which is a complete desturction of the body

This one is really weird, kinda is the opposite of BFR since she is restoring them back to their original place.

really? i mean it is moving them still from the said place tho i think it still qualifys for BFR

I guess technically is true but it's more so a consequence of things being fixed not really existance erasure, it's like saying you have EE because you can go back in time and stop someone from being born.

eh can that might be casuality manip? since it reverts back to originally

This one I disagree, the butterflies entered an already open portal and then gone back in time through them, it didn't actually "manipulate" anything.

the part is about ladybug's travelling through to cat blancs dimension from the window without actually being opened if neccecary i can share more scans i'm kinda unsure i gave it because it is bypassing it

Don't understand what you want here, there is no such thing as a "high degree" type and "greatly enhanced" seems unnecessary, if you want to argue layers you need to prove them otherwise greatly or "high degree" doesn't really make any difference.

it is greatly enhanced because it has lots more feats than usual powernulls and actually bypassing some said powernulls like Sandboy's that would give it a layer at least and is capable of affecting characters who has resistance to power null as well

Also one thing I don't get is why are we assuming their power became stronger over time? I mean sure you can maybe argue for their physicals because they "grow up" but their powers such as miraculous ladybug or cataclysm we have no real reason to believe it gets stronger, they simply use the level of "power" required for that situation.

i didn't meant to get stronger over time i guess i can delete greatly part

 

[Lort15]

Bump

 

[DemonicDude]

Seems fine to me but I'm not sure Immaterial stuff

 

[Lort15]

Seems fine to me but I'm not sure Immaterial stuff

Immaterial restoration?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

These terms are used on this wiki. They refer to situations where a skill is more powerful than usual or has been significantly improved.

Those are not used at the same time and usually refer to abilities that evolved for later keys.

you don't need to be a god for that intelligence rating and since the book has no anti-feats omniscient also he is akumatized into egypt god as well, it can be via book tho since he didn't show the feat by himself but he possesed the power itself

As I said it should be fine but kwamis aren't truly omniscient so I don't really like one of their creations being one.

MLB regenerated them from EE which is a complete desturction of the body

Godly stuff envolve things like soul and abstract or metaphysical stuff that I don't quite understand so I don't intent on talking about stuff I don't understand properly.

really? i mean it is moving them still from the said place tho i think it still qualifys for BFR

I guess technically true but her ability works in weird ways, some times people are put back on the place they were originally when the villain "attacked" the "innocent" or whatever happened to them, others they are simply put on safe locations close to where they were when the villain is defeated.

eh can that might be casuality manip? since it reverts back to originally

Don't like going into causality manip stuff, it's not a normal case I've seen before.

the part is about ladybug's travelling through to cat blancs dimension from the window without actually being opened if neccecary i can share more scans i'm kinda unsure i gave it because it is bypassing it

Its also a weird case did they really manipulate the window or simple gone through it? It seems more likely that that specific window leads to the place they are needed so they just went through.

it is greatly enhanced because it has lots more feats than usual powernulls and actually bypassing some said powernulls like Sandboy's that would give it a layer at least and is capable of affecting characters who has resistance to power null as well

As someone that is active on Marvel I read comics and certain characters have dozens or even hundreds of times using the same power, I choose only the times that seem more interesting because it shows different uses or something important happens, simply adding all the times it happens it's just too much. It was different if you were arguing for different types of power null like "Energy manipulation nullification", "fire manipulation nullification" ect but just adding all those feats that way seems unnecessary.

 

[Lort15]

As I said it should be fine but kwamis aren't truly omniscient so I don't really like one of their creations being one.

i see but this has the same sense of power bestowal doesn't mean they have the power that is bestowed

Godly stuff envolve things like soul and abstract or metaphysical stuff that I don't quite understand so I don't intent on talking about stuff I don't understand properly.

from my knowledge only high godly regen has that metaphysical stuff Low-Godly also has it but it doesn't need to depend on it is just regenerating from complete destruction of the body the source of the regeneration/healing is differs according to the verse

I guess technically true but her ability works in weird ways, some times people are put back on the place they were originally when the villain "attacked" the "innocent" or whatever happened to them, others they are simply put on safe locations close to where they were when the villain is defeated.

ye can i count you agree for this as well?

Don't like going into causality manip stuff, it's not a normal case I've seen before.

i'm thinking a different crt for Ladybug's causality stuff cuz she has one in the profile already

Its also a weird case did they really manipulate the window or simple gone through it? It seems more likely that that specific window leads to the place they are needed so they just went through.

i mean they should has the control over the pocket dimension to pass through the window because it is very clear from the feat and statements that only Rabbit Miraculous holders can open a time portal

As someone that is active on Marvel I read comics and certain characters have dozens or even hundreds of times using the same power, I choose only the times that seem more interesting because it shows different uses or something important happens, simply adding all the times it happens it's just too much. It was different if you were arguing for different types of power null like "Energy manipulation nullification", "fire manipulation nullification" ect but just adding all those feats that way seems unnecessary.

i asked this to a staff that if i make it like "can nullify all abilities of sentimonsters and akumatized villains" but the staff prefered the feats, the statement alone could cause a NLF, so that's why i added some feats about it also being enhanced should stay at very least because the power null is capable of overpowering an active powernull and can bypass chars that has power nulls i can also wait for other staffs to show up and tell their thoughts on this topic

 

[DavidTPPM]

I know next to nothing about the verse but the first 2 proposals don't work whatsoever. The statement "trigger the end of the world" implies more so a chain reaction rather than him literally wiping out a spacetime continuum. That's probably why it's a possibly and the evidence in the OP really doesn't do anything to prove an attack that moves a finite distance over a finite time is somehow going to destroy the entire spacetime.

The immeasurable speed is even worse. We don't grant immeasurable speed purely for spacetime destruction, otherwise every tier 2 character and above would be immeasurable. What makes this even worse is that we blatantly see his attack only travel across a 3D space with no indication of movement across/beyond time. To put it simply there's no evidence he is or is going to be directly moving through or affecting the dimension of time.


The time breaker stuff is also very iffy. It looks like she just uses some portal-like hax to travel through time since they visibly come out of a portal into the dedicated time period, and the name "timebreaker" heavily supports the idea of time related hax. It's better evidence that the first immeasurable argument but it's still not really good ngl

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I know next to nothing about the verse but the first 2 proposals don't work whatsoever. The statement "trigger the end of the world" implies more so a chain reaction rather than him literally wiping out a spacetime continuum. That's probably why it's a possibly and the evidence in the OP really doesn't do anything to prove an attack that moves a finite distance over a finite time is somehow going to destroy the entire spacetime.

The immeasurable speed is even worse. We don't grant immeasurable speed purely for spacetime destruction, otherwise every tier 2 character and above would be immeasurable. What makes this even worse is that we blatantly see his attack only travel across a 3D space with no indication of movement across/beyond time. To put it simply there's no evidence he is or is going to be directly moving through or affecting the dimension of time.


The time breaker stuff is also very iffy. It looks like she just uses some portal-like hax to travel through time since they visibly come out of a portal into the dedicated time period, and the name "timebreaker" heavily supports the idea of time related hax. It's better evidence that the first immeasurable argument but it's still not really good ngl

Regarding the speed I don't care but your claims regarding it being some chain scaling make no sense, even more so with the evidence of later episodes, cat noir's power was shown capable of affecting non physical things specifically memories, that's important because when he was launching this ultimate attack he said he was about to erase everything specifically mentioning memories.
But most importantly we know there is no such thing as a chain reaction caused by the destruction of the universe that causes the timeline to collapse or something like that because we saw how 1 wish was about to destroy the universe which stopped Bunnix from traveling to the future but she could still travel to the past before the universe was destroyed, but in this episode with Cat Blanc Bunnix was completely unable to travel to any point in time. It's clear that the "trigger" is the white sphere that will engulf everything that is about to be destroyed before Arien actually activates the destruction which is why he could take the sphere back without destroying everything, his powers in Cat Blanc clearly are of destruction like those of Cat Noir normally just amplified there is no reason to assume it works any different from a normal cataclysm that causes the full destruction of whatever the user wants. Regarding finite speed it shouldn't really be an actual factor when it's clear the white sphere is growing faster so it requiring sometime to reach infinite speed doesn't mean one isn't infinite.

 

[Lort15]

The immeasurable speed is even worse. We don't grant immeasurable speed purely for spacetime destruction, otherwise every tier 2 character and above would be immeasurable. What makes this even worse is that we blatantly see his attack only travel across a 3D space with no indication of movement across/beyond time. To put it simply there's no evidence he is or is going to be directly moving through or affecting the dimension of time.

Undertale immeasurable speed was approved for the same reason aka timeline desturction, Cat Blanc's aoe energy blast covered the entire timeline it makes it that it's not just range unlike other feats that doesn't qualify for immeasurable speed

Undertale: Immeasurable Speed, but it is for good.

I remember when I was in the site for the first time. End of 2017. They were the times of when Timeless voids granted Infinite speed, Dimensional Tiering gave you AP from default and other stuff. One of these other memories was Immeasurable Speed for Undertale god tiers. But like anything else...

vsbattles.com

The time breaker stuff is also very iffy. It looks like she just uses some portal-like hax to travel through time since they visibly come out of a portal into the dedicated time period, and the name "timebreaker" heavily supports the idea of time related hax. It's better evidence that the first immeasurable argument but it's still not really good ngl

Timebreaker's isn't via hax thought i have made this clear stealing energy from others amplifies their speed so they can travel through time with sheer speed rather than hax also about her name, just because her name is Timebreaker doesn't mean she has to travel through time via hax, those evidences are blatant enough to make this immeasurable.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Regarding the speed I don't care but your claims regarding it being some chain scaling make no sense,

Not chain scaling. Chain reaction. 2 very different things.

Or possibly just not an actual timeline destruction since ending the world can easily just mean a surface wipe, planet wipe, or a 3D universe wipe. Point is "triggering the end of the world" is an extremely vague statement that can mean bajillion different things. I'm not asserting a specific one, I'm just pointing out that we have no evidence which interpretation is correct one which is why a possibly is reasonable.

even more so with the evidence of later episodes, cat noir's power was shown capable of affecting non physical things specifically memories, that's important because when he was launching this ultimate attack he said he was about to erase everything specifically mentioning memories.

That holds no weight here. It's not about whether he can "interact with non physical things" but whether he can destroy an uncountably infinite amount of universes in a direction he can't even percieve or move through.

But most importantly we know there is no such thing as a chain reaction caused by the destruction of the universe that causes the timeline to collapse or something like that because we saw how 1 wish was about to destroy the universe which stopped Bunnix from traveling to the future but she could still travel to the past before the universe was destroyed, but in this episode with Cat Blanc Bunnix was completely unable to travel to any point in time.

First of all, send scans pls.

Second of all, how does that prove anything here? That's just a limitation of her time travel hax.

Her not being able to time travel because the universe is destroyed would prove a timeline erasure IF that's what actually happened. But we literally SEE the timeline and the universe are not erased. The literal scene where the statement that he will destroy everything takes places within the universe and he stops before he even destroys a significant amount of 3D space, much less all of time.

In other words her inability to time travel here cannot be caused by the timeline being erased because we literally see the timeline is not erased.

It's clear that the "trigger" is the white sphere that will engulf everything that is about to be destroyed before Arien actually activates the destruction which is why he could take the sphere back without destroying everything, his powers in Cat Blanc clearly are of destruction like those of Cat Noir normally just amplified there is no reason to assume it works any different from a normal cataclysm that causes the full destruction of whatever the user wants.

That's such a funny NLF. Yeah he can destroy "anything he wants" - within the range he was proven to do so. There's absolutely nothing about that scene implying he's erasing the entire spacetime continuum and the fact he literally just starts slowly swallowing up a finite amount of space over a finite amount of time on its own serves as counter evidence.

Regarding finite speed it shouldn't really be an actual factor when it's clear the white sphere is growing faster so it requiring sometime to reach infinite speed doesn't mean one isn't infinite.

No. That's not how infinite speed or timeline busting works.
First of all it doesn't matter how much speed growths, it can never reach infinite speed if it's growing by at a finite pace.
Second of all it wouldn't need infinite speed. It'd need immeasurable speed.

 

[ByArrow]

The destruction caused by Cat Blanc literally prevented BunnyX from traveling through time. If, as you claim, it were merely the destruction of the world—which is complete nonsense, since we saw that the destruction encompassed an entire galaxy—or if it were the destruction of the physical fabric of the universe, BunnyX would still have been able to travel through time; but BunnyX could not travel either to the future or to the past.

 

[Lort15]

The destruction caused by Cat Blanc literally prevented BunnyX from traveling through time. If, as you claim, it were merely the destruction of the world—which is complete nonsense, since we saw that the destruction encompassed an entire galaxy—or if it were the destruction of the physical fabric of the universe, BunnyX would still have been able to travel through time; but BunnyX could not travel either to the future or to the past.

yeah and time travelling haxes are usually granted with universal range until stated otherwise, which isn't in any case so yeah that is Cat Blanc's doing

 

[DavidTPPM]

Undertale immeasurable speed was approved for the same reason aka timeline desturction, Cat Blanc's aoe energy blast covered the entire timeline it makes it that it's not just range unlike other feats that doesn't qualify for immeasurable speed

Undertale: Immeasurable Speed, but it is for good.

I remember when I was in the site for the first time. End of 2017. They were the times of when Timeless voids granted Infinite speed, Dimensional Tiering gave you AP from default and other stuff. One of these other memories was Immeasurable Speed for Undertale god tiers. But like anything else...

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First of all, this is just whataboutism. It especially doesn't work because the 2 feats are vastly different.

Second of all, no it did not. CBs energy blast is only shown covering a finite amount of space over a finite amount of time. Even if it were to hypothetically eventually reach spacetime busting levels - which there's no evidence of, nobody would actually scale to that. And again we don't give immeasurable speed to any tier 2 and above character.

Frisk has immeasurable speed for outrunning the destruction of space and time which proves they moved beyond linear time. Because all of space and time was destroyed and yet they managed to dodge it. They do not have immeasurable speed purely because they're tier 2.

Timebreaker's isn't via hax thought i have made this clear stealing energy from others amplifies their speed so they can travel through time with sheer speed rather than hax

You SAID that but you haven't proven that.
Yes stealing energy allows them to travel through time but that doesn't mean it's not hax whatsoever. Hax abilities often also need energy and amping them up increases their range and usability.

Is there any statement that actually proves it's through sheer speed?

also about her name, just because her name is Timebreaker doesn't mean she has to travel through time via hax,

It doesn't mean she HAS to but it heavily implies her abilities are time related. Miraculous is a show for little kids where the names of villains usually directly correlate with their power.
A villain named "Evillustrator" is literally an evil dude who draws stuff.
A villain named "lady wifi" literally uses wifi to add phone related attributes to people.
A villain named "Princess Fragrance" uses perfume as a weapon.

A villain having the name "Timebreaker" and jumping through time makes it pretty painfully clear they have time related abilities.

those evidences are blatant enough to make this immeasurable.

No, no they're not. Creating a portal that makes you travel through time really isn't what I'd consider "blatant enough". Especially given how the time travel appears more like jumps through points in time rather than progressively moving through it, although that's technically impossible to say for sure since the characters disappear the moment they start moving through time

 

[Lort15]

You SAID that but you haven't proven that.
Yes stealing energy allows them to travel through time but that doesn't mean it's not hax whatsoever. Hax abilities often also need energy and amping them up increases their range and usability.

i have literally proved that in the crt they are stating that "if we get faster they will be no match for us" and decices to absorb energy to amplify their speed to travel through time there is nothing about increasing their range bro this is just your headcanon the scan is clear "she is capable of traveling through time with sheer speed. Absorbing energy from people amplifies her speed, as she stated that if they get faster, Ladybug and Cat Noir will be no match for them, and decides to absorb energy from others to get faster"

It doesn't mean she HAS to but it heavily implies her abilities are time related. Miraculous is a show for little kids where the names of villains usually directly correlate with their power.
A villain named "Evillustrator" is literally an evil dude who draws stuff.
A villain named "lady wifi" literally uses wifi to add phone related attributes to people.
A villain named "Princess Fragrance" uses perfume as a weapon.

A villain having the name "Timebreaker" and jumping through time makes it pretty painfully clear they have time related abilities.

and why is this actually relevant? like travelling through time via sheer speed is also something about time and in this wiki we don't give said abilities just because they have it in their name, if we want to go about their names that Prciness Fragrance name doesn't explains how she mind control others it isn't in her name so.

No, no they're not. Creating a portal that makes you travel through time really isn't what I'd consider "blatant enough". Especially given how the time travel appears more like jumps through points in time rather than progressively moving through it, although that's technically impossible to say for sure since the characters disappear the moment they start moving through time

except that is not creating a portal that's an animation effect to show her travelling through time it is blatant that she gets speed amps to travel through time.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Not chain scaling. Chain reaction. 2 very different things.

Or possibly just not an actual timeline destruction since ending the world can easily just mean a surface wipe, planet wipe, or a 3D universe wipe. Point is "triggering the end of the world" is an extremely vague statement that can mean bajillion different things. I'm not asserting a specific one, I'm just pointing out that we have no evidence which interpretation is correct one which is why a possibly is reasonable.

It's clear cut it's not simply surface wipe or planet destruction, it's not vague when it's clearly shown that the timeline shown by the windows on Bunnix's dimension are disappearing clearly meaning the destruction of the timeline.

That holds no weight here. It's not about whether he can "interact with non physical things" but whether he can destroy an uncountably infinite amount of universes in a direction he can't even percieve or move through.

If he can interact with non physical things he can erase things that are not limited to the 3 D matter of a universe.

First of all, send scans pls.

anyone who watched the show knows what I'm saying, I'm not gonna bother bringing scans now, even more so because a lot of what I'm talking about is from a movie that is relatively recent and hard to find online.

Second of all, how does that prove anything here? That's just a limitation of her time travel hax.

Her not being able to time travel because the universe is destroyed would prove a timeline erasure IF that's what actually happened. But we literally SEE the timeline and the universe are not erased. The literal scene where the statement that he will destroy everything takes places within the universe and he stops before he even destroys a significant amount of 3D space, much less all of time.

what the hell are you arguing here? Her ability exist outside of the timeline which is why is not affected by destruction is also why she can meet her older versions, the windowns show moments of the timeline is not just a portal there, if there is no images is because there is no timeline. You are making a lot of mental gymnastics, Bunnix's dimention is how the author showcases the timeline similar to many other authors who showcase the timeline like a normal line.
bunnix's windows is showing the effects of what's gonna happen in that scene, showing the future from an outside perspective, it's why her dimension which is outside of the timeline was completely fine and only the windows show destruction.

In other words her inability to time travel here cannot be caused by the timeline being erased because we literally see the timeline is not erased.

That's such a funny NLF. Yeah he can destroy "anything he wants" - within the range he was proven to do so. There's absolutely nothing about that scene implying he's erasing the entire spacetime continuum and the fact he literally just starts slowly swallowing up a finite amount of space over a finite amount of time on its own serves as counter evidence.

No. That's not how infinite speed or timeline busting works.
First of all it doesn't matter how much speed growths, it can never reach infinite speed if it's growing by at a finite pace.
Second of all it wouldn't need infinite speed. It'd need immeasurable speed.

Is not erased yet but it was gonna happen therefore showing it's effects through the windows. It's a lot of mental gymnastics to assume anything else when there isn't another actually supported possibility, we have seen how his powers work and the destruction of the universe and how it affects the timeline therefore there is no reason to assume some sort of chain reaction, there is also no reason to believe Bunnix's time travel could be limited. Showing the destruction of a timeline is something very abstract because of the idea of paradox so by that point of view there is no one capable of destroying a timeline because the timeline was shown to exist before destruction therefore it was never destroyed, the authors have to find ways to represent it since clearly there is no absolute way to showcase that.

 

[ByArrow]

Her not being able to time travel because the universe is destroyed would prove a timeline erasure IF that's what actually happened. But we literally SEE the timeline and the universe are not erased. The literal scene where the statement that he will destroy everything takes places within the universe and he stops before he even destroys a significant amount of 3D space, much less all of time.

The universe and the timeline had not been completely erased because Cat Blanc had not yet done so. That was the whole point of the episode. To ensure that the possible future in which Cat Blanc destroys everything does not come to pass. And although Cat Blanc had not yet did the destruction of everything, he caused the destruction of the time portals that opening to the past and future of the universe within BunnyX’s pocket dimension, thereby preventing BunnyX’s time travel.

Literally, in the future, Cat Blanc decides to destroy everything and declares this; and even though this future has not yet come to pass, it caused the destruction of all portals opening onto the universe’s past and future. It also prevented BunnyX from travelling back in time. We are clearly talking about the destruction of the timeline. If the timeline had not been affected, none of this would have happened.

 

[DavidTPPM]

i have literally proved that in the crt they are stating that "if we get faster they will be no match for us"

Which doesn't prove they're traveling through time through sheer speed whatsoever. Of course if they start blitzing the opponent they won't be a match for them lmao, why would that mean they move through time through sheer speed.

I'd actually say the fact they can speed up and use it for combat purposes is even an contradiction to your argument. Ladybug seems to be very much perceiving their speed just before they time travel and right after they pop out of the time portal. This implies that Ladybug herself shouldn't be too far from the speed needed to timetravel and yet they can apparently speed up enough to no diff Ladybug.

and decices to absorb energy to amplify their speed to travel through time

So here's a funny thing.
The fact that she's achieving beyond infinite speeds through finite energy absorption makes this in theory even worse.

At best it implies there's some sort of a finite barrier (often at baseline FTL for other verses but can vary) that if surpassed makes you time travel.

there is nothing about increasing their range

They directly state that if they absorb enough energy they can travel further. Meaning the range of their time travel IS increasing.

bro this is just your headcanon the scan is clear "she is capable of traveling through time with sheer speed. Absorbing energy from people amplifies her speed, as she stated that if they get faster, Ladybug and Cat Noir will be no match for them, and decides to absorb energy from others to get faster"

Again can you give me a quote from the show that says she time travels through sheer speed?
A quote from the show, not from you.

You're accusing me of headcanons when all I'm doing is showing that your claims are unsubstantiated and alternate interpretations exist. I frankly don't give a shit how she time travels, YOU do. I don't need to prove anything, you need to prove she's time traveling through sheer speed like you claim she does. The burden is entirely on your side and I'm just pointing out that you didn't fulfill it.

except that is not creating a portal that's an animation effect to show her travelling through time it is blatant that she gets speed amps to travel through time.

Prove it. Because I'm literally watching a portal be opened and Timebreaker walking through it while dragging Ladybug through it behind her and I trust my eyes more than I trust you.

Also here's a pretty huge defeater to your headcanon. If you slow down the clip you can actually see both Timebreaker and Ladybug only time travel as they walk through the portal.

But this doesn't work if they're moving through sheer speed. Ladybug should be moving at speed identical to Timebreaker because they're directly attached, meaning if they were to travel through time via sheer speed they should actually both disappear and reappear at the exact same moment and yet they only appear or disappear as they walk through the portal. This undeniably debunks the raw speed argument.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It's clear cut it's not simply surface wipe or planet destruction,

Why? You can't just say it's clear cut and not explain what makes it clear cut.

it's not vague when it's clearly shown that the timeline shown by the windows on Bunnix's dimension are disappearing clearly meaning the destruction of the timeline.

Again, scans? Context? You're proposing a tier 2 upgrade and you can't even gather the bare minimum evidence?

There's like a billion reasons why a timeline could disappear for someone.

If he can interact with non physical things he can erase things that are not limited to the 3 D matter of a universe.

First of all, not how any of this works. You can have NPI for souls or fire but still not be able to interact with concepts or information. Having NPI of 1 kind doesn't mean you have NPI of all kinds.

Second of all, this isn't a question of NPI. It's a question of range. You need range in a dimension normal beings can't even percieve and you need it to be big enough to encompass an uncountably infinite amount of universes. Being able to interact with memories has absolutely nothing to do with this.

anyone who watched the show knows what I'm saying, I'm not gonna bother bringing scans now,

I don’t care. Frankly nobody cares. 99% if not 100% of active staff members that are needed to evaluate this CRT have not watched the show. And same goes for 99.99999% of members.

CRTs, especially ones about controversial change like tier 2, need to contain evidence so even people unfamiliar with the verse can understand it.

No scans? Okay. No upgrade either then.

what the hell are you arguing here?

That the timeline couldn't have been destroyed because we literally see it still existing and people trying to avoid its destruction? The line "this will trigger the end of the world" literally proves the world is not yet destroyed.

Which completely debunks the idea that Bunnywhateverhernamewas not being able to access the timeline has anything to do with it being or not being destroyed.

You are making a lot of mental gymnastics,

Mental gymnastics? I'm literally just telling you that not being able to access a timeline that's not destroyed can't be because the timeline is destroyed.

bunnix's windows is showing the effects of what's gonna happen in that scene, showing the future from an outside perspective, it's why her dimension which is outside of the timeline was completely fine and only the windows show destruction.

Aaaand since she's showing the future that means it has not been destroyed too then? Great more counter evidence to your previous argument.

Is not erased yet

Great. So, the argument that she can't access the timeline has absolutely no relevance to whether the CB is going to destroy the timeline or just a 3D part of it.

It's a lot of mental gymnastics to assume anything else when there isn't another actually supported possibility,

I'm not assuming anything, I'm literally doing the exact same thing.

I will repeat the same thing I said before. I don't care if CB is going to surface wipe or planet bust or 3D universe bust, or timeline wipe, or cause a chain reaction, or whatever else he could do. YOU care because YOU are making an assertion.
You tried saying that since Bunni can't access the timeline it somehow means it will be destroyed. And I'm simply telling you that that's a baseless assumption, and that her not being able to access the timeline doesn't necessarily mean it's destroyed as she couldn't access it even when it wasn't destroyed. To put it directly, we SEE directly that her inability to access a timeline is not caused by the timeline being destroyed.

So for the last time, I'm not even making a claim. I'm pointing out that your claims are baseless assumptions with countless other plausible interpretations, and that you need to show evidence for why your interpretation specifically is correct. Not even just more likely but objectively correct since you're arguing against a possibly/likely rating.

The universe and the timeline had not been completely erased because Cat Blanc had not yet done so.

I agree. Please read what I'm responding to because I didn't even once question the timeline not yet being destroyed.

That was the whole point of the episode. To ensure that the possible future in which Cat Blanc destroys everything does not come to pass. And although Cat Blanc had not yet did the destruction of everything, he caused the destruction of the time portals that opening to the past and future of the universe within BunnyX’s pocket dimension, thereby preventing BunnyX’s time travel.

Great that actually 100% confirms my argument.

I said we need evidence he's timeline busting.
They replied Bunny can't access the timeline.
To that I said the timeline isn't yet destroyed so her inability to access it has nothing to do with it being or not being destroyed.

The fact he just destroyed her time portals proves that her inability to access it is unrelated to the timelines destruction.

Literally, in the future, Cat Blanc decides to destroy everything and declares this; and even though this future has not yet come to pass, it caused the destruction of all portals opening onto the universe’s past and future. It also prevented BunnyX from travelling back in time.

Scans?

We are clearly talking about the destruction of the timeline. If the timeline had not been affected, none of this would have happened.

Clearly? None of what you or anyone else has said or especially shown here implies a direct AP related timeline wipe.

There is a possibility that that's what happens but that'd need actual scans being posted and so far this thread is really lacking in that regard

 

[AsterReal]

Well, there are certain things David mentions that make sense. Although some of them are a bit redundant.

 

[ByArrow]

Great that actually 100% confirms my argument.

I said we need evidence he's timeline busting.
They replied Bunny can't access the timeline.
To that I said the timeline isn't yet destroyed so her inability to access it has nothing to do with it being or not being destroyed.

The fact he just destroyed her time portals proves that her inability to access it is unrelated to the timelines destruction.

And the timeline had begun to erase, but it had not yet erased completely, because the event that would cause the timeline to erased had not yet taken place.

Later on in the episode Bunnyx explains how the Burrow works to Monarch which she states "Amateur. Time is like a river with multiple streams, and the Burrow is where they all come together. You with me?"

Another thing is that each point in time in the burrow is referred to as a space-time by Ladybug (9:39).

Direct Evidence to prove that the burrow holds multiple space-times The Burrow is a huge empty sphere whose walls are made of round facets. [It's like entering into a gigantic soccer ball]. Each facet is at the same time a screen and a portal to every available space-time continuum. In their regular state, these facets are blurred and frozen. They become unblurred and starts moving when you touch it, when you pass through it to step into the space-time displayed, or simply when you want to keep the portal open. [Script trick (?) to not show what's on the other side of those portals. When can conform ourselves with some blurry shots]

Her time portals are windows opening onto available space-time continuums. And the fact that Cat Blanc causes the destruction of these windows means, in the truest sense of the word, the annihilation of space-time. In other words, the annihilation of the timeline.

Scans?

• The destruction caused by Cat Blanc led to BunnyX start being ereased. Another scene that happens.
• He caused to the destruction of the windows opening onto the space-time continuum.
• When Cat Blanc declared that he would bring about the end of everything and wielded his power, he caused almost all the portals opens to the space-time continuum to destroyed. And BunnyX said that Cat Blanck was about to trigger the end of the world, and ‘world’ is a word that is also used to mean ‘universe’.
• When Cat Blanc was defeated, the space-time windows returned.

 

[Lort15]

Which doesn't prove they're traveling through time through sheer speed whatsoever. Of course if they start blitzing the opponent they won't be a match for them lmao, why would that mean they move through time through sheer speed.

okay lets go over this their powers are about time, they need energy from other beings to travel through time, the energy they have absorbed amps their speed auto and they are using this speed for time travel literally it is clean from the scene she uses her absorbed energy to use it and we see that she needs to go faster when she is doing it this is literally what is via speed

I'd actually say the fact they can speed up and use it for combat purposes is even an contradiction to your argument. Ladybug seems to be very much perceiving their speed just before they time travel and right after they pop out of the time portal. This implies that Ladybug herself shouldn't be too far from the speed needed to timetravel and yet they can apparently speed up enough to no diff Ladybug.

i've said it in the note that this is an outlier about Ladybug and Cat Noir writers aren't power scalers so they are loosing it in such kind of category

So here's a funny thing.
The fact that she's achieving beyond infinite speeds through finite energy absorption makes this in theory even worse.

that's fiction it can be anything in fiction this doesn't really debunk anything at all

At best it implies there's some sort of a finite barrier (often at baseline FTL for other verses but can vary) that if surpassed makes you time travel.

this can't be FTL travel, for it to be it needs to be stated FTL, this is just assumption otherwise

They directly state that if they absorb enough energy they can travel further. Meaning the range of their time travel IS increasing.

yeah this is definetly something your own headcanon we never heard a statement that their time travel range is increasing at all they just said they get faster when they absorb energy from others and they are using this for time travel

You're accusing me of headcanons when all I'm doing is showing that your claims are unsubstantiated and alternate interpretations exist. I frankly don't give a shit how she time travels, YOU do. I don't need to prove anything, you need to prove she's time traveling through sheer speed like you claim she does. The burden is entirely on your side and I'm just pointing out that you didn't fulfill it.

did my headcanon word hurt your feelings? i didn't mean to offend you or make you angry/sad about it, english isn't my first language if i sound strangely rude just for you to know it is because of that, about the topic i have actually proved it via sheer speed like she gets amp from her energy absorption and loses the speed after she travels through time

Prove it. Because I'm literally watching a portal be opened and Timebreaker walking through it while dragging Ladybug through it behind her and I trust my eyes more than I trust you.

sure you can trust to your eyes more than me, again if i offended you i didn't meant to.

Also here's a pretty huge defeater to your headcanon. If you slow down the clip you can actually see both Timebreaker and Ladybug only time travel as they walk through the portal.

i see that but that is just visuals like the statement about her doing via speed is more consistent with it so it is just a visiual energy effect

But this doesn't work if they're moving through sheer speed. Ladybug should be moving at speed identical to Timebreaker because they're directly attached, meaning if they were to travel through time via sheer speed they should actually both disappear and reappear at the exact same moment and yet they only appear or disappear as they walk through the portal. This undeniably debunks the raw speed argument.

as i have said Ladybug's feat should be treated as an outlier because she doesn't have supportive feats about it, and that doesn't debunk it being from raw speed such those feats about them counts as outliers for each character who doesn't have any reasonable power up or consistent feats

 

[Lort15]

Well, there are certain things David mentions that make sense. Although some of them are a bit redundant.

i mean it can make sense but just because it is making sense doesn't mean it holds the absolute truth in the show, this is fiction.

 

[Reiner04]

Low 2-C looks solid. We don't always hang on a statement alone, but on the context as well. She was destroying the entire space-time continuum with an energy ball, whether it was over time or not doesn't matter. Furthermore, considering she says:

everything will be destroyed, including memories

this should include everything she is aware of, including time and the past (memories). The fact that time portals, as well as characters in other time (like Bunny X), are being erased slowly confirms that temporal destruction is involved further beyond just statement. I will take a look at the rest later.

 

[Lort15]

Low 2-C looks solid. We don't always hang on a statement alone, but on the context as well. She was destroying the entire space-time continuum with an energy ball, whether it was over time or not doesn't matter.

 

[Lort15]

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[Lloydblitzed]

Agree with this CRT

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Lort15]

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[Lort15]

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[Reiner04]

Change MFTL+ attack speed to Immeasurable attack speed: The Mega Cataclysm's covered the entire timeline (4-D) to destroy it as it is clear that the blast affects past, present and the future itself, our Immeasurable speed standart allows this such this upgrade

Fine as long as for blast an Attack spe.

Rest looks good too.

 

[Lort15]

Fine as long as for blast an Attack spe.

Rest looks good too.

thx now i need one more vote to go ig

 

[Fared]

Upgrades:

Cat Blanc:

• Change the possibly rating to solid Low 2-C as it was clear that he was about to trigger the end of the timeline, the Mega Cataclysm made Bunnix unable to travel through time by sutting down all the windows in her pocket dimension that shows/allows her to travel through past, present and future.
• Change MFTL+ attack speed to Immeasurable attack speed: The Mega Cataclysm's covered the entire timeline (4-D) to destroy it as it is clear that the blast affects past, present and the future itself, our Immeasurable speed standart allows this such this upgrade
  
  - Immeasurable (Movement unbound from the flow of linear time, which cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined, the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below)

Timebreaker:
- Immeasurable speed at peak addition (With enough energy, she is capable of traveling through time with sheer speed. Absorbing energy from people amplifies her speed, as she stated that if they get faster, Ladybug and Cat Noir will be no match for them, and decides to absorb energy from others to get faster.)
Note: Ladybug and Cat Noir won't get any upgrade from this as they don't have that much supportive feats to qualify such this big speed upgrade but the evidence can be used as a supportive speed feat without actually scaling them to this level.


Pharaoh:
- Pharaoh’s new key addition, Turtle Miraculous Power and Omniscient intelligence rating (Has the power of truth; he bestowed this power upon his book, allowing it to know everything, including the past, present; scan 1, scan 2, and future; scan 1, scan 2).


Ladybug:

• Miraculous Ladybug Restoration Types: Physical (Matter Manipulation), Immaterial (Metaphysical: Emotions), Temporal, Energy (Miraculous Ladybug can restore any damage happend during the battle, including collapsed buildings, destroyed city or a vaporized Robot, can restore lost memories that erased by Oblivio, can restore altered emotional states caused by Dark Cupid and Physcomedian, can restore People's vital energy that stolen by Backwarder, can restore the time anomalies caused by Sass, could restore Cat Noir's stamina back who was exaushted because of taking blows from Weredad)
• Ressurection & Healing Upgrade: Low-Godly (Capable of healing people who were erased from the timeline, capable of healing people who were vaporized, also should be capable of healing people from Red Moon's Existence erasure as it stated that Miraculous Ladybug can restore damage caused by Supervillians, healed Ladybug's pixeleted arm and leg, regenerated people from turning into dust by Style Queen, healed people who were turned into buble state and absorped by Gamer, ressurected the people who were turned into ashes by Yenaldoshi)
• BFR (Can move the objects, people, cars, The Earth, etc. to their previous places)
• Existence Erasure (The Miraculous Ladybug restores everything back how it was originally before the fight which means it returns their powers to the state which they didn't exist; Capable of erasing a Sentimonster, erased Horrificator's slime cages, capable of erasing Gamer's Mech, erased Antibug's anticharm, nullified Puppeteer's Mind control/body puppetry, nullified Reflekta's transmutation that turned people into reflektas, erased Pixelator's pocket dimension, erased Dark Owl's technology, erased Christmaster's army, erased Big Vines that is created by Weredad)
• Heat Manipulation (Melted Stormy Weather's ice)
• Pocket Reality Manipulation (Can bypass Bunnix's Pocket Reality Manipulation, which only allows Rabbit Miraculous holders to travel through time.)
• Spoiler

  [*]Greatly Enhanced Power Nullification (High degree; Capable of negating the side effects of the Snake Miraculous’ power; capable of negating Cat Noir’s Cataclysm, which inflicts bad luck, diseases, and madness on the target; capable of negating Venom, the power of the Bee Miraculous that immobilizes the target; capable of nullifying the side effects of Trixx’s power, which is Illusion Manipulation; stated to be capable of nullifying the damage caused by Supervillian(s) which means, it is capable of negating all the powers of both the Peacock and Butterfly Miraculouses, which create Akumatized villains and Sentimonsters with superpowers, including: nullified Pharaoh’s Time Bubbles and people who were transmuted into mummies; nullified Lady Wifi’s powers that allow her to stop people’s actions via time stop; capable of negating Roger Cop’s Body Puppetry; nullified Dark Blade’s power, which transmuted and mind controlled people who were turned into knights; negated Kung Food’s mind control; neutralized Gamer’s power that allows him to transmute and absorb people and objects such as buses; neutralized Animan’s animal control; nullified Guitar Villain’s mind manipulation; nullified Princess Fragrance’s fragrance manipulation and mind control; nullified Simon Says’ mind control; nullified Stoneheart’s mind control and the Akumas possessing, mind controlling, and granting powers to people; nullified the Collector’s absorption; nullified Befana’s petrification, transmutation, and power bestowal, including giving additional limbs like wings; neutralized Dark Owl’s technology manipulation; nullified Glaciator’s petrification; nullified Syren’s water manipulation; nullified Frightningale’s ability to inflict aura and petrification; capable of neutralizing Reverser’s statistical reduction, mind manipulation, morality manipulation, perception manipulation, and power modification; nullified Sandboy's Reality Warping & Subjective Reality that allows him to bring people’s nightmares to life, also nullifying its Power Nullification and statistic reducution; nullified Oblivio's energy blast that has ability to erase people's memory; nullified Frozer’s ice manipulation; nullified Backwarder’s time rewind; nullified Reflekdoll’s transmutation; nullified Silencer’s sound absorption; nullified; nullified Miraculer’s absorption, who stole Ladybug’s, Cat Noir’s, Carapace’s, and Rena Rouge’s powers; nullified Gamer 2.0’s all abilities; nullified Stormy Weather 2’s powers; nullified Timetagger’s BFR that sends people to the past and causes time anomalies; nullified Puppeteer 2’s powers that allow her to bring wax statues to life and grant them powers; nullified Wishmaker’s Reality Warping & Subjective Reality that brings people’s childhood dreams to life; nullified Simpleman’s stupefying effect; nullified Penalteam’s forcefield; nullified Risk’s effect that forces people to take risks; nullified Darker Owl’s Jubilation, which shows people their greatest desires; nullified Manipula’s animation ability that also grants powers to wax statues and still works against the Ox Miraculous’ invulnerability, which prevents people from being affected by superpowers in the verse; nullified the fire caused by Glaciator, who possesses Tiger Miraculous explosions; nullified the Monkey Miraculous’ power from Cat Noir; nullified Night Tormentor’s nightmare & fear manipulation; nullified Technolizer’s ability to absorb technology and many more).
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  Agree: AsterReal, Reiner04 (Agrees with everything), DemonicDude, Lloydblitzed, Apex_Predator_GX
  Disagree:
  Neutral:

Agreed

 

[Lort15]

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[KaramcaS]

Agree with Cat Blanc suggestions, didnt read the rest