Comprehensive Review of the Instant Death

[Azertyhuuh]

Hello everyone, I have finally returned to you after some time with the topic in which I will discuss and correct all the mistakes related to how Instant Death works.

Spoiler: Statement on the Cancellation of the “King of Demons” Novel

The “King of Demons” novel will be removed because the author has canceled it, and this is the author’s statement ↓

Regarding “The Great Demon King Can't Be Defeated”

Thursday, November 6, 2025, 11:57 PM

Since I get asked about this from time to time.

I do intend to write it.

If I do, I think I’ll have to rewrite it from scratch. Since the book series was ultimately canceled, I’ve been mulling over how to approach it—I need to figure out a strategy before I start.

That said, I can’t really promise anything. I feel that if I’m going to write anything, I should prioritize new works, so I’m hoping to come up with a good way to restart this and write it in my spare time. That’s the general idea.

The statement is available here

Spoiler: Absolute Laws / The End

First, I will talk about this matter here ↓

Exists as a rule/law that governs the Ultimate Ensemble World

It is mentioned here that Yogiri exists as one of the laws meaning he is treated as a law but this is incorrect, and I will now explain the mistake.

First, the phrase “Absolute Laws” is an incorrect translation and does not actually exist. There is no such thing as absolute laws that cannot be surpassed, and I will explain the reason for that now ↓

This is the context from which the term “Absolute Laws” came, and as I mentioned, it is a mistranslation, and the whole story

そもそもイシュタルの体を破壊すること自体不可能なはずなのだ。神々は不変の力で守られている。どんな攻撃でも傷一つ付けることはできないはずだった。

それを大魔王はあっさりと無視して攻撃してきたのだ。

「あんなものはただのマーキングです。壊さないでね。って書いてあるだけのことで

すから、それを私が守る必要はありません」

「馬鹿な......"世界”の理は絶対じゃ......」

「何と言いますか...... その”世界”に捕らわれたままでは私に勝つことは無理でしょう。私どころか魔界の中堅所の方にも勝てないと思いますよ?」

イシュタルは愕然となった。

全ての事象は”世界”の上で動いている。

だからこそ、"世界”に不変と認められたのならそれを覆す術はない。

それは大前提だ。それが”世界”の理だった。

だがこの大魔王は”世界”を通さずにその影響を行使している。

イシュタルはそんな存在を今まで見たことがなかった。

イシュタルは潔く諦めた。

勝ち目が見当たらない。それが十分にわかってしまった。

In short, the context does not mention the phrase “Absolute Laws,” and there is no such thing as “Absolute Laws.” What is actually mentioned is the logic of the Ultimate World, and from the same context we can infer that this logic grants the gods unchanging power, and this applies only to the gods. The word “logic” is used in the singular, meaning there is only one logic, which is the logic of the world, and it is the only logic that governs it and is unchangeable, not unsurpassable but unchangeable. It makes the gods themselves unchangeable, which is why they cannot be killed or even scratched at all, and it has nothing to do with Absolute Laws or any of those things.

The term used in the text is 理, and it means here ↓

Yes, as explained here, 理 in no way means “law,” and the word for law in Japanese is 法律, and they are two completely different things. In the context before us, the correct translation does not say “Absolute Laws” but rather: the logic of the Ultimate World, and there is no connection or existence of anything like Absolute Laws.

Therefore, Yogiri is not one of these so-called Absolute Laws this is a mistranslation but that was the logic of the Ultimate World, which makes the gods protected with unchanging power. Also, attempting to claim that Yogiri is one of the nonexistent Absolute Laws is incorrect, because in the battle between the Great Demon King and Ishtar, the Demon King mentioned that Ishtar cannot even defeat one of the average beings in the Demon World, which means that the logic of the Ultimate World, which grants only the gods unchanging power, and as we see, applies to all the gods there in that world, and this alone disproves the claim, because Ishtar is not a law at all; she is only protected by the logic of the Ultimate World, which renders the gods immutable. She is not a law herself; she is an ordinary god protected only by the world’s logic, no more, no less, and there are no Absolute Laws. All of that was a mistranslation and a misunderstanding. On top of that, the author explicitly stated that Yogiri cannot be defeated, and repeatedly emphasizes that he is invincible. Regardless of the type of being, you cannot defeat Yogiri. Are we now to ignore this statement and all the evidence I presented and claim, by this logic, that Yogiri is a victim of one of the denizens in the Demon World??? Are we to ignore the words of the Ultimate God, above all words, who said that Yogiri is invincible and can erase any existence, and even he himself cannot defeat him???? Are we also to ignore the author’s words, the Ultimate God, these translations, and the clear context???

In summary: the logic of the Ultimate World grants the gods unchanging power. There is no term “Absolute Laws.” Ishtar is not one of the laws, and there are no laws; she is a god protected by the logic of the Ultimate World like the other gods. As the Demon King said, she cannot even defeat one of the average beings in the Demon World, and this clarifies the matter. Considering Yogiri as one of the Absolute Laws would imply that Yogiri is a victim of one of the average beings in the Demon World, which would also mean that all characters in Instant Death, including the Ultimate God, are victims of one of the average beings in the Demon World. Therefore, the words of the omniscient Ultimate God and the author, who say that he is invincible and cannot be defeated… do you understand? In fact, the term Absolute Laws does not exist; it is nonexistent, and that leads to contradictions because it does not exist. The term used means the logic of the Ultimate World, and the context talks about completely different things, as explained. I do not know who came up with this interpretation, which has nothing to do with it at all, as it is as if you were talking about a completely different story. That is why I corrected this matter now.

Now, regarding this context, it is time to clarify it ↓

Hm? What is it? What is its true form? I don't know if there's really an answer for that. In the same way I'm me, and you are you, it is it. It's probably been around since the very beginning of the Ensemble World. It's one of the rules governing the Ensemble World's creation and a being that helps regulate it. It's the Ensemble World's limit, its end, and a stopper for it. It's only become a single human living on a single planet in a single universe in a single world for now.

This was connected to that through the words of the Ultimate God here, claiming it is one of the laws governing the creation of the Ultimate Ensemble World, which was misinterpreted due to the context I explained above, and this led to the misunderstanding. Now I will explain what it means to be one of the laws governing the creation of the Ultimate Ensemble World.

Look at this context ↓

Some of us believe in a theory like this: There are universes contained inside larger universes and so on. Why has that total collection of universes survived? If space and time are infinite, then there is a possibility that eventually an ultimate being would emerge, one that could wipe out all universes on a whim. If the possibility isn't zero, then given infinite time, it is guaranteed to happen. But it hasn't. From what we've been able to observe, once gods reach a certain threshold of power, they disappear. So there must be someone out there erasing them, right? There must be some sort of limit or criteria being applied."
"Criteria?"
The UEG had never considered that. She had believed gods were indestructible, eternal beings. She had killed any number of gods, but death was just another state of being for them, one from which they would eventually recover.
"Yeah, some people call that the Scale, others call it the Limiter. Either way, it seems something like that is out there."

"I... I do not understand... What is this Takatou?" She had never heard of such a being. She couldn't even imagine something like that existing.

"There are all kinds of gods. They can be divided into two types: those who know about it and those who don't. Those who don't know tend to be reckless and arrogant, believing they can do anything, and so they become remarkably powerful. In contrast, those who know are comparatively calmer and try not to do anything crazy. Or rather, they can't. They know their limits."

"What do you mean, 'it'?! Cease with this condescension!"

"Well, I don't really know either; that's why I'm calling it by such a vague name. I don't know what it is, and I don't want to either. But gods like me are a lot more moderate. We realize there's a being more powerful than we could ever imagine. Just like humans punish wrongdoing because they believe God is watching them, we believe there's something out there watching us gods."

The UEG couldn't accept the words he was saying. They were

Here you will find this statement for those who want to verify.

There were universes within universes, and so on endlessly, time and space were infinite, and there was infinite time, yet even after infinite time no absolute being appeared capable of destroying them, there was a type of standard applied, which the gods noticed, when gods reach a certain level of power they are erased, there is a kind of limit and standard that is applied, people call it the scale or the determinant, and there are types of gods divided into two groups, those who know about this thing and those who do not, which makes this group of gods remarkably powerful, while the gods who know are also strong but more moderate and calm, Yogiri is this applied standard; he is the scale that indirectly maintains the balance of the Ultimate Ensemble, gods who do not know about him are more aggressive and threaten the Ultimate Ensemble and are strong, and because of this, they end up being erased by Yogiri, and therefore this group of gods, upon reaching a certain level of power, is erased from existence, and for this reason even after infinite time no absolute being capable of threatening or destroying all of creation has appeared, as for the gods who know about him, they do not dare to threaten him, they are aware of him, and the power of such gods is enough to destroy or threaten the Ultimate Ensemble like the Ultimate God, but these gods do not dare, because they would ultimately face Yogiri and be erased, because his true form protects the state of "Takato Yogiri" in the world, anyone in the Ultimate Ensemble who poses a threat to the state of "Takato Yogiri" in the world is erased, and therefore Yogiri functions like a law, but he is not a law in itself; he governs the creation of the Ultimate Ensemble and maintains its balance, acting like the determinant and limit that curbs any god indirectly threatening creation, and this happens indirectly because Yogiri’s true form protects only the state of "Takato Yogiri" in the world and does not protect the world itself, and by protecting the state of "Takato Yogiri" he also indirectly maintains the balance of the Ultimate Ensemble, so when gods, as I said, reach a certain level of power, they are erased after confronting and threatening Yogiri through his true form, and in this way, even after infinite time, no one could destroy the Ultimate Ensemble or the higher universes with a single strike.

His true nature is the End, he is the end of everything, and he is the only one who will remain in the end because he is the End, the Ultimate Ensemble is part of his end, and there is nothing beyond him.

Spoiler: The Abyss / The Celestial Foundation / The Sea

Now we are talking about the Celestial Foundations, the Abyss, and the Sea, and this will be simple here because the whole matter revolves around this topic.

In this topic, all of that was downgraded due to reasoning based on the supposed absence of the concept of infinity in the work, which was used to reduce everything I mentioned. You can go in and see the responses and how all of this was refuted by claiming that the concept of infinity does not exist, which I have now refuted and which has been accepted. Therefore, the concept of infinity now exists, making this entire topic invalid, and everything must be reversed and restored to what it was.

@Elizhaa ,@Ihsjihahxu , and @PHANtomFELdway objected and presented arguments against the topic, but they were answered by the claim that infinity does not exist, and this has now been refuted.

The responses directed at them: here, here, here, and here, and you can go in and review all the replies for yourself.

Even the Abyss was approved as Low 1-C in a topic here, but as I mentioned, due to the misunderstanding about the absence of the concept of infinity, this disaster occurred.

Alright, I’m done, and therefore everything will return to what it was ↓

Celestial Foundations: 2B
Abyss: Low 1C
Sea: Low 1-C

Spoiler: The Higher Universes

The same issue applies here. One of the reasons the higher universes were downgraded from level 1B and originally H1B was the mistaken belief that the concept of infinity does not exist, which led to the downgrade without long discussion. The staff could not ignore this, as they stated, but now this claim has been refuted, which will change a lot here as well.

I will start by addressing this topic exactly and explain the reason why the higher universes are at level H1B.

First, I will not discuss the translations mentioned; I will begin by proving that these are higher-dimensional universes directly, aside from all that.

The higher universes lie outside the Sea and beyond everything else, and they are above all of that.

The higher universes are based on this: universes within larger universes endlessly, where each higher universe contains all the lower infinite multiverses, and this continues without end. This is one of the ways higher dimensions are represented in fictional works. Specifically, the FAQ page mentions this: the most common way to indicate higher dimensions is that every universe is part of a larger universe, and so on. This requires a higher dimension to connect and contain all these universes. I know that alone is not sufficient evidence because mentioning such a sequence is not enough. Therefore, I will now explain the reason that makes the higher universes contain higher dimensions for this process.

It is stated that space and time are infinite, which means the higher universes are infinite. This implies that the infinite higher universe contains all the lower infinite multiverse. This indicates the necessity of a higher spatial dimension in order to contain an infinite lower multiverse. We can observe smaller and larger infinities, like a hierarchical sequence of infinities, and this requires a spatial dimension for each higher universe to contain all the lower infinite multiverse, and this continues endlessly.

This is similar to the Dragon Ball scenario, where we have infinite four-dimensional multiverses inside a higher universe—inside surrounding space—which gives this surrounding space a spatial dimension to contain all the infinite four-dimensional multiverses. The same applies here: this requires infinite spatial dimensions in the higher universes so that the infinite higher universe can contain all the lower infinite multiverse. For this reason, the higher universes are H1B.

Higher Universes: from Low 1-C to H1B.

Note: Do not forget that the reason for the previous downgrade was also due to the misunderstanding of infinity being nonexistent. This is why they were lowered: the gap was considered infinite, the size, and so on, and the work was constrained to level 3 because they said the concept of infinity does not exist, and therefore it would not exceed level 3.

The staff must now reexamine this matter literally, because the reason for the downgrade of these higher universes has always been the belief that the concept of infinity does not exist.For this reason, the staff did not bother to respond or investigate, and they could not ignore the issue, so everyone agreed without any discussion. You can go in and review the topic. Therefore, the staff must check this topic and the previous topic together in order to open a discussion here and respond, because the previous topic was downgraded without discussion due to the argument regarding infinity.

Spoiler: Ultimate Ensemble / The End

Finally, I will talk about the Ultimate Ensemble, and the author used the name “Ultimate Ensemble” to refer to the type-4 multiverse of Teigmark, but it is not limited to the name; there is evidence that confirms this.

Here, we have the words of the Ultimate God, whose word is absolute, where he mentions that the Ultimate Ensemble contains all possible worlds. This is the evidence that supports my statement. Some may try to refute this by claiming that the Ultimate Ensemble only means the worlds we know—the Sea and so on—but that is incorrect, because that context is wrong, and the Ultimate God corrected it, as he stated here ↓

As everyone can see, intelligent beings in the world, especially the most intelligent, believe that the currently existing worlds are all that exists. However, the Ultimate God explained in his words afterward that there are worlds that cannot be perceived by these intelligent beings in the world because their perception is limited. The Ultimate God stated that there are other worlds that cannot be perceived, and our inability to perceive them does not mean we can deny their existence, as he explained in his words. After this, a dialogue took place, and afterward the Ultimate God personally clarified to us about the Ultimate Ensemble, with the understanding that the Ultimate God’s words are correct and more credible than any other character, no matter who. He said in his words that the Ultimate Ensemble contains all possible worlds.

See here the official Japanese text ↓

See here the same term used to mention all possible worlds here ↓

ありとあらゆる世界 = OF ALL POSSIBLE WORLDS.

For completeness, see here the author’s response regarding whether Yogiri transcends the concept of dimensions and cannot be reached as the End ↓

Translation: Dimensions and similar things are elements within a certain universe, and in another universe they may not exist. If there is a collection of many such different universes… well, Yogiri can ignore all of that.

I leave this here for the staff. I have previously asked about this response and whether it can be accepted, given that the answer is long and detailed from the author. Furthermore, the question’s purpose was to understand the true nature of Yogiri, which cannot be reached even by the concept of dimensions. The author’s answer was not a simple yes or no; it was a response of four lines or more with explanation. Reiner agreed with this, saying that the answer does not appear rushed or emotional because it was not a yes or no answer but a detailed response in five lines.

Ultimate Ensemble: Low 1A

Now, regarding the End:

The End (1A): is the true form of Takato Yogiri, which surpasses everything so that there is nothing beyond it, because it is the End. It is the only one that will remain in the end because it is the End, and not even the concept of dimensions or any possible world can reach it.

I will be busy for a long time, so I may not be able to respond immediately or after a certain period. Also, please summon only the staff specialized in Instant Death. As everyone knows, I will be alone in this discussion, since I am practically the only supporter of this work here, because others left this community due to what happened with this work. Therefore, it will also take me a long time to respond to the replies.

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Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless (With everything but only up to 1-C) @Reiner04 (With everything but only up to 1-C) @YungManzi ( Agrees with everything, and possibly Low 1-A. ) @Qawsedf234 ( He agrees with everything and votes that the Final Ensemble is 1-C, but does not agree with Low 1-A or H1-B, and is currently undecided at the 1-A level. ), @Elizhaa (With removing statements from TDKIU)
Disagree:
Surrounding:

 

[SuperNova55555]

@SweetDao ! You have been summoned!!

 

[HelloThere1089]

Going from Low 1A to 4A is crazy ngl.


No clue about the verse tho.

 

[Vietthai96]

@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless

@SweetDao ! You have been summoned!!

It seems like he requested to be banned until he feel like he want to return

 

[SuperNova55555]

@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless


It seems like he requested to be banned until he feel like he want to return

T-This is how I learn…?

 

[AlexSamDen]

Not here to particularly argue, just want to point out several mistakes you've made

First, the phrase “Absolute Laws” is an incorrect translation and does not actually exist. There is no such thing as absolute laws that cannot be surpassed, and I will explain the reason for that now ↓

This is the context from which the term “Absolute Laws” came, and as I mentioned, it is a mistranslation, and the whole story


In short, the context does not mention the phrase “Absolute Laws,” and there is no such thing as “Absolute Laws.” What is actually mentioned is the logic of the Ultimate World, and from the same context we can infer that this logic grants the gods unchanging power, and this applies only to the gods. The word “logic” is used in the singular, meaning there is only one logic, which is the logic of the world, and it is the only logic that governs it and is unchangeable, not unsurpassable but unchangeable. It makes the gods themselves unchangeable, which is why they cannot be killed or even scratched at all, and it has nothing to do with Absolute Laws or any of those things.

The term used in the text is 理, and it means here ↓

Yes, as explained here, 理 in no way means “law,” and the word for law in Japanese is 法律, and they are two completely different things. In the context before us, the correct translation does not say “Absolute Laws” but rather: the logic of the Ultimate World, and there is no connection or existence of anything like Absolute Laws.

This part just does not work. You simply cannot argue that something is a mistranslation without first translating it in our Official Translation Request Thread, as you do not possess the needed expertise.
The meaning of individual kanji holds little value due Japanese kanji meaning different things depending on the surrounding context

All of that was a mistranslation and a misunderstanding. On top of that, the author explicitly stated that Yogiri cannot be defeated, and repeatedly emphasizes that he is invincible. Regardless of the type of being, you cannot defeat Yogiri. Are we now to ignore this statement and all the evidence I presented and claim, by this logic, that Yogiri is a victim of one of the denizens in the Demon World???

The scan here is in Japanese. According to the rules of the site, you are to provide evidence in English. The aforementioned thread exists to help with translations

The higher universes are based on this: universes within universes endlessly, where each higher universe contains all the lower infinite multiverses, and this continues without end. This is one of the ways higher dimensions are represented in fictional works. Specifically, the FAQ page mentions this: the most common way to indicate higher dimensions is that every universe is part of a larger universe, and so on. This requires a higher dimension to connect and contain all these universes. I know that alone is not sufficient evidence because mentioning such a sequence is not enough. Therefore, I will now explain the reason that makes the higher universes contain higher dimensions for this process.

Also no translation here

It is stated that space and time are infinite, which means the higher universes are infinite. This implies that the infinite higher universe contains all the lower infinite multiverse. This indicates the necessity of a higher spatial dimension in order to contain an infinite lower multiverse. We can observe smaller and larger infinities, like a hierarchical sequence of infinities, and this requires a spatial dimension for each higher universe to contain all the lower infinite multiverse, and this continues endlessly.

It, in fact, does not directly state that. It talks about "some believe in a theory" and "if that's true, it's possible". If you have additional context why those should be taken as literal statements, please present it

However, the Ultimate God explained in his words afterward that there are worlds that cannot be perceived by these intelligent beings in the world because their perception is limited. The Ultimate God stated that there are other worlds that cannot be perceived, and our inability to perceive them does not mean we can deny their existence, as he explained in his words. After this, a dialogue took place, and afterward the Ultimate God personally clarified to us about the Ultimate Ensemble, with the understanding that the Ultimate God’s words are correct and more credible than any other character, no matter who. He said in his words that the Ultimate Ensemble contains all possible worlds.

No scan for this by the way

See here the official Japanese text ↓

See here the same term used to mention all possible worlds here ↓

Same issue as the last time, no translation

For completeness, see here the author’s response regarding whether Yogiri transcends the concept of dimensions and cannot be reached as the End ↓

He mentioned in his response that dimensions are elements of the universe that may not exist in another universe. If such universes exist… well, Yogiri can ignore all of that.

No translation for the author's response and unknown source of the translation of the question



I cannot use Imgur, so I didn't check those scans

 

[Thunderman101]

goat

 

[Adestral]

Agree and welcome back goat

Make yogiri great again

 

[Cipher72]

@SweetDao ! You have been summoned!!

P sure he banned himself (I think)

 

[Thunderman101]

P sure he banned himself (I think)

why

 

[Cipher72]

why

IRL stuff he doesn't wanna engage in powerscaling and wants space for himself. I mean he has work and stuff nothing serious he will prolly come back soon.

 

[Thunderman101]

IRL stuff he doesn't wanna engage in powerscaling and wants space for himself. I mean he has work and stuff nothing serious he will prolly come back soon.

aww, he was interested in my verses and seemed pretty cool. Anyways following thread

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Not here to particularly argue, just want to point out several mistakes you've made

This part just does not work. You simply cannot argue that something is a mistranslation without first translating it in our Official Translation Request Thread, as you do not possess the needed expertise.
The meaning of individual kanji holds little value due Japanese kanji meaning different things depending on the surrounding context

Okay, but the issue here is not limited to the translation, because it would still be contradictory even if the translation were actually “Absolute Laws.”

The scan here is in Japanese. According to the rules of the site, you are to provide evidence in English. The aforementioned thread exists to help with translations


Also no translation here

It, in fact, does not directly state that. It talks about "some believe in a theory" and "if that's true, it's possible". If you have additional context why those should be taken as literal statements, please present it

Yes, they are the higher universes themselves, and I have placed them in context, but I haven’t translated it yet ↓

UEG had appeared behind Toichiro, looking perfectly composed.

In the first place, since they had come here from entirely different worlds, it was only natural that they could both move between different universes as a matter of course.

From that point on, it was a repeated cycle of further tragedy and carnage.

In short, they would move between universes, predict the universe the opponent was moving to, and blow that universe away.

They would move outside the multiverse that encompassed the universe where the opponent was located, and attack that universe from there.

Then, the opponent would move to an even higher-order universe and launch an attack from there.
It was a never-ending cycle, but the end came abruptly.

Toichiro's attack annihilated the universe that contained UEG.

No scan for this by the way

Same issue as the last time, no translation

No translation for the author's response and unknown source of the translation of the question



I cannot use Imgur, so I didn't check those scans

Regarding the rest of your remarks about the translations, all of these Japanese texts do indeed have official translations, but I preferred to provide the Japanese version. However, since it is necessary to include them, I will do so now.

 

[Thunderman101]

Okay, but the issue here is not limited to the translation, because it would still be contradictory even if the translation were actually “Absolute Laws.”



Yes, they are the higher universes themselves, and I have placed them in context, but I haven’t translated it yet ↓




Regarding the rest of your remarks about the translations, all of these Japanese texts do indeed have official translations, but I preferred to provide the Japanese version. However, since it is necessary to include them, I will do so now.

is yogiri tier 0 goatt

 

[AlexSamDen]

Okay, but the issue here is not limited to the translation, because it would still be contradictory even if the translation were actually “Absolute Laws.”

You still need to properly confirm this with the Translation Helpers on the site, as otherwise what scan would you even use on profiles for justification, it can't be in Japanese

Yes, they are the higher universes themselves, and I have placed them in context, but I haven’t translated it yet ↓

You should have translated them before creating this thread then, as it stands as a major point in your argument

The threads can sometimes be closed due to lack of those

I would recommend holding a bit and requesting their translation in the thread I mentioned

Regarding the rest of your remarks about the translations, all of these Japanese texts do indeed have official translations, but I preferred to provide the Japanese version. However, since it is necessary to include them, I will do so now.

Doubt that the author statement has one

 

[Azertyhuuh]

You still need to properly confirm this with the Translation Helpers on the site, as otherwise what scan would you even use on profiles for justification, it can't be in Japanese

You should have translated them before creating this thread then, as it stands as a major point in your argument

The threads can sometimes be closed due to lack of those

I would recommend holding a bit and requesting their translation in the thread I mentioned

Doubt that the author statement has one

I have now included the official English translations. As I told you, they had already been translated here before, but I simply forgot to include them earlier, and I have done so now. Even the author’s statement had actually been translated here years ago. Anyway, I have now added them.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Anyways..
Let's take a look at L1A yea?
**Characters whose power is on the level of the Von Neumann Universe. That is, they either encompass, or can affect structures which encompass, the collection including all possible dimensional spaces.
As a general rule-of-thumb, statements of being "above dimensions" and the like, whenever validly indicating a superiority over higher dimensions, fall under this tier without further context.*
I can't see anything in this thread that is implying exactly this >
Not too mention, nothing here implies or directly states that beings are above dimensions or that beings are Qualitively Superior to lower realms


Also

???
This can still be chalked up to a power scaling question.. which can't be used, the user is asking too much about dimensional shet

You can maybe get L1C but even then , the stuff for that is shaky..

And as someone here has already said, you should have gotten the shet you have translated before making this, even if you added it now. It doesn't really help much

First, a "world" is basically the range of our awareness. A world with no one aware of it is hardly a world at all. Of course, that doesn't mean if you don't understand it, it doesn't exist. But something that exists but has no influence on anvthing around it might as well not exist, right

This doesn't imply much either.

 

[Hecky2222]

UEG part can be brushed off for having leading question and We don't scale verses just having Tegmark names. What you described isn't Tegmark Multiverse. So Low 1-A and 1-A doesn't work there.

Although Low 1-C args seem interesting I will take look at it when I am free

 

[Hecky2222]

I don't understand Absolute Law argument.

Are you telling us we should remove Abstract Existence cuz Yogurt isn't law of world but we should add scale to his form?

 

[Hecky2222]

I am pretty much confused after cosmology blog and your arguments. So do we have idea how large is Abyss or no

 

[Azertyhuuh]

UEG part can be brushed off for having leading question and We don't scale verses just having Tegmark names. What you described isn't Tegmark Multiverse. So Low 1-A and 1-A doesn't work there.

Although Low 1-C args seem interesting I will take look at it when I am free

I don't understand Absolute Law argument.

Are you telling us we should remove Abstract Existence cuz Yogurt isn't law of world but we should add scale to his form?

No. I did not say that it is so merely because the name Ultimate Ensemble appears in Tegmark’s theory, of course. I already explained this in the topic, so please reduce these kinds of comments and focus on the subject ↓

Finally, I will talk about the Ultimate Ensemble, and the author used the name “Ultimate Ensemble” to refer to the type-4 multiverse of Tegmark, but it is not limited to the name; there is evidence that confirms this.

I demonstrated this through the words of the Absolute God himself, where he explained the Ultimate Ensemble and stated that it contains all possible worlds, therefore yes, it would be Low 1-A. Otherwise, we can wait for the staff’s opinion, because the Absolute God’s statement is very clear.

I also supported my argument with the author’s statement that Yogiri’s true form transcends the concept of dimensions. The purpose was to remove any doubts and support that he truly surpasses even the Low 1-A level, reaching 1A.

Yes, the End key will be restored to 1A, and this “law” will be removed because it is contradictory, and the translation is also incorrect and based on a misunderstanding, as I explained in the topic.

 

[Hecky2222]

Yes, the End key will be restored to 1A, and this “law” will be removed because it is contradictory, and the translation is also incorrect and based on a misunderstanding, as I explained in the topic

So I assume you agree with AE removal?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I am pretty much confused after cosmology blog and your arguments. So do we have idea how large is Abyss or no

As I told you, it was already agreed that the Abyss is Low 1-C, and the reason it was later no longer considered at that level was the misunderstanding regarding the concept of infinity. Everyone thought that infinity did not exist, which led to the Abyss being downgraded on the basis that it did not meet the required size. I refuted this claim about infinity, so the Sea, the Abyss, and the Celestial Foundations will all return to what they were, because the reason for their downgrade, as I explained to you, was only this misunderstanding about infinity. You can enter that topic and review the responses and arguments yourself.

The Abyss meets the required scale because it includes all the Celestial Foundations, some of which are of cosmic size while others are infinite. For more details, you can review that topic.

 

[Hecky2222]

As I told you, it was already agreed that the Abyss is Low 1-C, and the reason it was later no longer considered at that level was the misunderstanding regarding the concept of infinity. Everyone thought that infinity did not exist, which led to the Abyss being downgraded on the basis that it did not meet the required size. I refuted this claim about infinity, so the Sea, the Abyss, and the Celestial Foundations will all return to what they were, because the reason for their downgrade, as I explained to you, was only this misunderstanding about infinity. You can enter that topic and review the responses and arguments yourself.

The Abyss meets the required scale because it includes all the Celestial Foundations, some of which are of cosmic size while others are infinite. For more details, you can review that topic.

I read blog and can't find where do we have statement about Infinite or significance of size about Celestial Foundations and Abyss. Yes infinity exists in ID but how does it relate to those two? Do you have scans that proves their size?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I read blog and can't find where do we have statement about Infinite or significance of size about Celestial Foundations and Abyss. Yes infinity exists in ID but how does it relate to those two? Do you have scans that proves their size?

As I mentioned, it was previously approved by the staff that the Abyss is Low 1-C, and the topic was officially agreed upon here.

You can review the topic and you will understand. The reason it was later considered otherwise was the mistaken assumption that the concept of infinity does not exist, which affected the Celestial Foundations, and consequently the Abyss itself…

Please note, this is not the topic I am currently discussing. If you disagree, you can open a separate discussion specifically about the Abyss. Otherwise, it was previously approved, so there is no need to deviate from the current topic.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

disagree with everything for outerversal tiers, following the low 1C args.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

As I mentioned, it was previously approved by the staff that the Abyss is Low 1-C, and the topic was officially agreed upon here.

imma need you to stop you there that was almosr 3 years ago, and staff agreed it isnt low 1-C anymore as sweetdao debunk it. You can't use a 3 year old argument for this.

Use this one instead

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I read blog and can't find where do we have statement about Infinite or significance of size about Celestial Foundations and Abyss. Yes infinity exists in ID but how does it relate to those two? Do you have scans that proves their size?

cuz there isnt one really? Sweetdao before leaving made a very good CRT before this.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

imma need you to stop you there that was almosr 3 years ago, and staff agreed it isnt low 1-C anymore as sweetdao debunk it. You can't use a 3 year old argument for this.

Use this one instead

Do you decide that an argument is invalid just because years have passed? Then, by that logic, all arguments regarding every classification would also be invalid, correct?

In any case, it was approved that the Abyss is Low 1-C, and the reason it was considered otherwise was the “infinity” argument. I have refuted that argument, which means everything that Sweet Dao did in the topic they opened will now be reversed, because it was based on that argument and used to dismiss almost all other points, effectively confining cosmology to Level 3.

I have stated what I have for now, and we can wait for the staff. I also ask for calm on this matter and for the discussion not to be disrupted. Anyone attempting to distract the topic or mock it will be reported.

 

[YungManzi]

UEG part can be brushed off for having leading question

I haven’t been involved with the verse for years, but I don’t think this applies as a “leading question” because as far as I remember the questions weren’t like twitter posts from fans; it’s a direct response from the author posted in a forum on the official website (where you can purchase the book) as promotional material.

We don’t know where the author pulled the questions from, we only know it because it was posted as official promotional material along with other questions. to say “bam, leading question kek” is just disingenuous.

This isn’t the Ben 10 writer being directly asked powercaling questions on twitter and them responding on twitter, this isn’t that.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Hello everyone, I have finally returned to you after some time with the topic in which I will discuss and correct all the mistakes related to how Instant Death works.

Spoiler: Absolute Laws / The End

First, I will talk about this matter here ↓

Neutral here. Get that translated in the Translation Request Thread.

Now we are talking about the Celestial Foundations, the Abyss, and the Sea, and this will be simple here because the whole matter revolves around this topic.

In this topic, all of that was downgraded due to reasoning based on the supposed absence of the concept of infinity in the work, which was used to reduce everything I mentioned. You can go in and see the responses and how all of this was refuted by claiming that the concept of infinity does not exist, which I have now refuted and which has been accepted. Therefore, the concept of infinity now exists, making this entire topic invalid, and everything must be reversed and restored to what it was.

This was only half the reason. In that thread, SweetDao posted statements from TDKIU that says Celestial Foundations are solar system sized. So you'd have to address those too.

Even the Abyss was approved as Low 1-C in a topic here, but as I mentioned, due to the misunderstanding about the absence of the concept of infinity, this disaster occurred.

Celestial Foundations are still 4-B sized, so even if the Abyss was the size of it, it still wouldn't be enough to net a tier.

The same issue applies here. One of the reasons the higher universes were downgraded from level 1B and originally H1B was the mistaken belief that the concept of infinity does not exist, which led to the downgrade without long discussion. The staff could not ignore this, as they stated, but now this claim has been refuted, which will change a lot here as well.

True enough. Differently from Celestial Foundations, the universes outside the Sea are actual universes and never had any size downgrades. So, I guess they would be back to Tier 1, unless someone has an argument against it.

Spoiler

"Ultimate Ensemble / The End"]

1. "All possible worlds" is not enough for Low 1-A.

2. That WoG is clearly a leading question so it can't be used.

So I disagree with Low 1-A/1-A.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I haven’t been involved with the verse for years, but I don’t think this applies as a “leading question” because as far as I remember the questions weren’t like twitter posts from fans; it’s a direct response from the author posted in a forum on the official website (where you can purchase the book) as promotional material.

We don’t know where the author pulled the questions from, we only know it because it was posted as official promotional material along with other questions. to say “bam, leading question kek” is just disingenuous.

This isn’t the Ben 10 writer being directly asked powercaling questions on twitter and them responding on twitter, this isn’t that.

The problem is not where the author got it from but the person who wrote the question. We can tell from how it's worded that it was made for powerscaling purposes.

 

[YungManzi]

The problem is not where the author got it from but the person who wrote the question. We can tell from how it's worded that it was made for powerscaling purposes.

You can’t say that without knowing where the question is from.

The only reason we know about the question is because the author themselves thought it was a good enough question to post it on their website.

No one can say where the author got it from or why they thought it was worth posting alongside promotional material.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

You can’t say that without knowing where the question is from.

The only reason we know about the question is because the author themselves thought it was a good enough question to post it on their website.

No one can say where the author got it from or why they thought it was worth posting alongside promotional material.

Like I said, it doesn't matter where it was taken from. What matters is the intention of the person who wrote it. And we can clearly tell their intention with the way they worded it. This isnt even something we can give the benefit of the doubt , because literally no one but powerscalers talk like this.

 

[Reiner04]

Neutral here. Get that translated in the Translation Request Thread.

This was only half the reason. In that thread, SweetDao posted statements from TDKIU that says Celestial Foundations are solar system sized. So you'd have to address those too.

Celestial Foundations are still 4-B sized, so even if the Abyss was the size of it, it still wouldn't be enough to net a tier.

True enough. Differently from Celestial Foundations, the universes outside the Sea are actual universes and never had any size downgrades. So, I guess they would be back to Tier 1, unless someone has an argument against it.


1. "All possible worlds" is not enough for Low 1-A.

2. That WoG is clearly a leading question so it can't be used.

So I disagree with Low 1-A/1-A.

I share overall same opinion. But about WOG, i think since the author didn't answered the question with single Yes or No and details over his answer and explaination, i think it can be used for possibly or atleast i will be fine with its usage for possibly rating. But i think it wouldn't change the outcome anywzys so whatever ig.

 

[YungManzi]

Like I said, it doesn't matter where it was taken from. What matters is the intention of the person who wrote it. And we can clearly tell their intention with the way they worded it. This isnt even something we can give the benefit of the doubt , because literally no one but powerscalers talk like this.

If the debunk of the statement really came down to “leading question”; it’s a very weak argument.


Considering, as far as we know, the author themselves is the origin of said question. You don’t know anything about intent, because you have no clue who wrote it.

And considering the author themselves thought it was worth answering in promotional material, I don’t see why it should be thrown out.

If you know anything about the ID author, you know they don’t just answer random power scaling questions from fans on social media. People have definitely tried, and never once got a response; this one statement that is actually in official promotional material is the only thing like this the author has answered (unless they did a new one)

 

[Maniaunavailable]

If the debunk of the statement really came down to “leading question”; it’s a very weak argument.


Considering, as far as we know, the author themselves is the origin of said question. You don’t know anything about intent, because you have no clue who wrote it.

And considering the author themselves thought it was worth answering in promotional material, I don’t see why it should be thrown out.

If you know anything about the ID author, you know they don’t just answer random power scaling questions from fans on social media. People have definitely tried, and never once got a response; this one statement that is actually in official promotional material is the only thing like this the author has answered (unless they did a new one)

you just answer the question yourself

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Neutral here. Get that translated in the Translation Request Thread.

Okay, as you wish. But let’s assume the translation says “Absolute Laws”—does that mean that Yugiri, the Absolute God, all Instant Death characters, and all characters from the Demon King novel outside the Demon World are victims of one of the middling beings there? Do you agree with that? Should we ignore the statements of the Absolute God and the author and all these contradictions? Beyond the translation, the text itself clearly states that the gods are protected by immutable power because that is the logic of the world.

This means that Ishtar herself is not a law or one of the laws; she is simply a god protected by the logic of the world, and this world logic grants all gods immutable protection. That is all, and this also contradicts how the matter was interpreted. It was interpreted that Ishtar is one of the laws, but she is not a law she is protected by immutable power due to the world logic. This applies to all gods there, as I mentioned. Furthermore, the Demon King explicitly stated that this Ishtar cannot even defeat one of the middling beings in the Demon World.

So, are we supposed to ignore all contexts and claim that one middling being is stronger than the entire Instant Death series?! I think I’ve clarified everything. This issue is not just about the translation—it’s contradictory and illogical to a degree that is indescribable.

This was only half the reason. In that thread, SweetDao posted statements from TDKIU that says Celestial Foundations are solar system sized. So you'd have to address those too.

Celestial Foundations are still 4-B sized, so even if the Abyss was the size of it, it still wouldn't be enough to net a tier.

No, it’s not like that. The Celestial Foundations are universes, and some Celestial Foundations are also infinite. However, the members argued that the concept of infinity does not exist in order to refute this point and to dismiss Elizhaa’s argument. Here is Elizhaa’s statement and the way they disproved the claim that the Celestial Foundations are infinite by proving that some Celestial Foundations are indeed infinite ↓

Sweet Dao did not respond to this directly. He himself stated that he anticipated this argument and therefore prepared the counter-argument that the concept of infinity does not exist to refute it. In fact, all the members used the same reasoning—that infinity does not exist to dismiss the idea that these Foundations are infinite, which has now been refuted. See here, here, here, and here these are the responses used to disprove the argument of infinite Foundations based on the claim that infinity does not exist.

So, I disagree with you on this point, and you need to reconsider it carefully here. Therefore, the size of the Abyss will be infinite.

True enough. Differently from Celestial Foundations, the universes outside the Sea are actual universes and never had any size downgrades. So, I guess they would be back to Tier 1, unless someone has an argument against it.


1. "All possible worlds" is not enough for Low 1-A.

2. That WoG is clearly a leading question so it can't be used.

So I disagree with Low 1-A/1-A.

I don’t see why it wouldn’t be sufficient. I think the Absolute God’s statement is clear, and you know that the Absolute God’s words carry the same authority as the author’s. The Ultimate Ensemble contains all possible worlds, so I believe the matter is clear. I don’t think there is a stronger or more definitive context to justify the Low 1-A level. If there is anything else I need to provide, I am ready to do so.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

In any case, it was approved that the Abyss is Low 1-C, and the reason it was considered otherwise was the “infinity” argument. I have refuted that argument, which means everything that Sweet Dao did in the topic they opened will now be reversed, because it was based on that argument and used to dismiss almost all other points, effectively confining cosmology to Level 3.

Celestial Foundations are still 4-B sized, so even if the size was tired, it would still be 4-B

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I don’t see why it wouldn’t be sufficient. I think the Absolute God’s statement is clear, and you know that the Absolute God’s words carry the same authority as the author’s. The Ultimate Ensemble contains all possible worlds, so I believe the matter is clear. I don’t think there is a stronger or more definitive context to justify the Low 1-A level. If there is anything else I need to provide, I am ready to do so.

They already disproved this exact same argument in your other 2 threads, so idk how it would change things.

also add count votes btw, so we dont get lost again