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How emanators fooled the internet (hsr emanator downgrade) (mods needed)

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Voidnether said:
And you realize this CRT is making the ones amped by Cyrene to STILL be Tier 3? That's how insane this is
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it would be insane if thats what i was arguing here... you clearly didnt read the op
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Yeah, Agree with the CRT, Emanator crossscaling needs to go. I just have disagreements with some of the reasoning you used lol.

Also for the record I think Jing Yuan and Feixiao should have their Emanator status removed but that's probably wisest saved for another CRT.
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
Yeah, Agree with the CRT, Emanator crossscaling needs to go. I just have disagreements with some of the reasoning you used lol.
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Thats fair lol
PlungingThroughTime said:
Also for the record I think Jing Yuan and Feixiao should have their Emanator status removed but that's probably wisest saved for another CRT.
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I’ll keep this in mind for the yao guang profile aswell as i didnt know that jingyuan and feixiao werent the emanators lol
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Can someone briefly summarise arguments for both sides, using words I can understand. Keep in mind I don't know the verse at all.
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Op side:

Basically emanators characters in hsr that very blatantly vary in power yet for some reason they are all chainscaled to eachother currently (to the highest degree mind you) despite showing clear differences in strength so this thread is to remove the crossscaling between emanators. This also comes with the downgrade of a lot of the characters in the verse
 
Mbpoops said:
Op side:

Basically emanators characters in hsr that very blatantly vary in power yet for some reason they are all chainscaled to eachother currently (to the highest degree mind you) despite showing clear differences in strength so this thread is to remove the crossscaling between emanators. This also comes with the downgrade of a lot of the characters in the verse
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Yes, I read the OP. Having different levels is normally valid and does make it hard to scale them, but I'd like to hear the other side of this too, and in turn your own answer to the other side.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Yes, I read the OP. Having different levels is normally valid and does make it hard to scale them, but I'd like to hear the other side of this too.
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Id have to direct you to voidnether or castoricethefifth for that one
 
Also i would like nether to come back because he said there was a scan that the sceptor could annihilate the universe and if thats true i might have to update some ratings in the op
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Ok, wait a minute

I did not know we had every single character (except belobog? ) at Low 1-C in the wiki right now

Now I can understand this thread, ignore my claims, after this finish, I will be removing (or not ) fights because Low 1-C silver wolf is still losing to Beerus lol
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I Just remembered Blue Archive is High 1-B+ on cosmology

Anyway agreed FRA
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Yes, I read the OP. Having different levels is normally valid and does make it hard to scale them, but I'd like to hear the other side of this too, and in turn your own answer to the other side.
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Well, the Emanators have High-level Honkai Energy on their own which in itself is already Low 1-C given HE is an UES, and Imaginary Energy because HE and IE are functionally the same thing. Nuking Low 1-C from them would be the equivalent of nuking high-tier HI3 cast like Deliverance Kevin, Herrscher of Finality Kiana, etc back to Tier 4 which doesn't work.

Anyways, Phantylia is compared in the Pre-War video to be the equivalent of Incomplete Irontomb, which is also a fully-fledged one — Incomplete Irontomb scales higher than Emperor's Scepter in this thread in which the former is capable of destroying the entire universe and the latter is capable of destroying half the universe, which is Low 1-C anyway. I added this as a note in the 3-B calculation just for it to be a nothingburger anyway since the cosmology downgrade made it so that physical plane is 5-D altogether so affecting the Asdana Galaxy wouldn't even be 3-B, but straight up Low 1-C.

Ignore the thread where I said they're 1-B, but yeah that's where their Path scales to before it got downgraded to Low 1-C only. My point is that it doesn't work given; It's an UES & You should've noticed by this point how hard it is for me to make them 3-B instead of them scaling to their Path altogether as a whole (because back then after the thread passed, it's still 3-B, 1-B with Path of Nihility, etc) that you know doesn't work anymore because Emanators drawing powers from their own Path makes it so that their statistics scale to it too as shown with how Acheron gets massively stronger and one-tapped Aventurine of Stratagems. Anyways I believe I made a response earlier that also said Trailblazer, etc being defeated by high-schoolers is just PIS at best because these were the same person who defeated Completed Irontomb — The same entity who destroyed the entire Imaginary Tree which scales to Low 1-C.
 
Voidnether said:
Well, the Emanators have High-level Honkai Energy on their own which in itself is already Low 1-C given HE is an UES, and Imaginary Energy because HE and IE are functionally the same thing. Nuking Low 1-C from them would be the equivalent of nuking high-tier HI3 cast like Deliverance Kevin, Herrscher of Finality Kiana, etc back to Tier 4 which doesn't work.
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First off, not all emanators have high levels of honkai energy please read their pages.

Secondly, high level honkai energy does NOT default to low 1-C. Nowhere is it stated on the page that this is true and if it is i will personally nuke it because that is not how UES works.

Third. The comparrison you made to the Hi3 cast does NOT have any meaning here since they scale to imaginary space and the CoF.

Ill respond to the other stuff later (at most 2-3H im at work)
 
Voidnether said:
the former is capable of destroying the entire universe
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No. Incomplete Irontomb cannot do this. The destruction of the universe is what happens when it’s Path Energy spikes to maximum by tracing back to Nous and it almost fulfills Self-Coronation. So this isn’t applicable to any part of Irontomb except around the point when it fulfills Self-Coronation, through repeated extrapolation, which is at best “vaguely Incomplete”

Voidnether said:
I added this as a note in the 3-B calculation just for it to be a nothingburger anyway since the cosmology downgrade made it so that physical plane is 5-D altogether so affecting the Asdana Galaxy wouldn't even be 3-B, but straight up Low 1-C.
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Genuinely what are you talking about
 
Voidnether said:
Anyways, Phantylia is compared in the Pre-War video to be the equivalent of Incomplete Irontomb, which is also a fully-fledged one —
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As said in the OP, incomplete irontomb will be downgraded to 3-B aswell
Voidnether said:
Incomplete Irontomb scales higher than Emperor's Scepter in this thread in which the former is capable of destroying the entire universe and the latter is capable of destroying half the universe, which is Low 1-C anyway.
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Is there a scan ingame that says this sceptor can destroy the universe?
Voidnether said:
I added this as a note in the 3-B calculation just for it to be a nothingburger anyway since the cosmology downgrade made it so that physical plane is 5-D altogether so affecting the Asdana Galaxy wouldn't even be 3-B, but straight up Low 1-C.
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Affecting a 3-B size area in a low 1-C space DOES NOT MAKE THE FEAT LOW 1-C.

Also stop with this low 1-C physical plane narrative theres nothing that supports this. You are basically saying all being that exist on the physical plane of the tree are 5th dimensional in existance which is wildly incorrect
Voidnether said:
Ignore the thread where I said they're 1-B, but yeah that's where their Path scales to before it got downgraded to Low 1-C only. My point is that it doesn't work given; It's an UES & You should've noticed by this point how hard it is for me to make them 3-B instead of them scaling to their Path altogether as a whole (because back then after the thread passed, it's still 3-B, 1-B with Path of Nihility, etc) that you know doesn't work anymore because Emanators drawing powers from their own Path makes it so that their statistics scale to it too as shown with how Acheron gets massively stronger and one-tapped Aventurine of Stratagems. Anyways I believe I made a response earlier that also said Trailblazer, etc being defeated by high-schoolers is just PIS at best because these were the same person who defeated Completed Irontomb — The same entity who destroyed the entire Imaginary Tree which scales to Low 1-C.
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Yap
 
Mbpoops said:
First off, not all emanators have high levels of honkai energy please read their pages.

Secondly, high level honkai energy does NOT default to low 1-C. Nowhere is it stated on the page that this is true and if it is i will personally nuke it because that is not how UES works.

Third. The comparrison you made to the Hi3 cast does NOT have any meaning here since they scale to imaginary space and the CoF.

Ill respond to the other stuff later (at most 2-3H im at work)
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Well, all Lord Ravagers do and you're especially arguing Phantylia here to be 3-B in which Phantylia itself is a Lord Ravager. High-level Honkai Energy defaults to Low 1-C because Durandal scales to the Ether Bathtub & There's actually a higher level than High-level Honkai Energy and that is Lord Ravager-level in the page in which obviously they'd default to Low 1-C with the feats that Irontomb has. If you think that's not how UES work then nuke it; You'd be surprised by how hard it is to nuke a creation feat and everyone scaling to them because of UES, don't get me started when there's so many examples of Emanators drawing their powers from their own Paths and their statistics increasing drastically after.

I believe I don't even have to respond to the other person as all the arguments here could easily be debunked solely by the fact that the UES consistency makes it so that 3-B is legit impossible, the threads I've linked earlier should've told you how hard it is to make them be 3-B instead of you know, accepting them as Low 1-C.
 
Voidnether said:
Well, all Lord Ravagers do and you're especially arguing Phantylia here to be 3-B in which Phantylia itself is a Lord Ravager. High-level Honkai Energy defaults to Low 1-C
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Again WHERE ON THE PAGE DOS IT SAY THIS
Voidnether said:
because Durandal scales to the Ether Bathtub
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Brother we’ve been over this. The ether bath is the sea of quanta durandal does not scale there

Even if she scaled there that scaling would ONLY apply to her not everyone with high level honkai energy thats not how UES works. If that was the case i would make a schrodinger page and make her low 1-C
Voidnether said:
& There's actually a higher level than High-level Honkai Energy and that is Lord Ravager-level in the page in which obviously they'd default to Low 1-C with the feats that Irontomb has.
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Not how UES works they still need to perform these feats bruh
Voidnether said:
If you think that's not how UES work then nuke it; You'd be surprised by how hard it is to nuke a creation feat and everyone scaling to them because of UES, don't get me started when there's so many examples of Emanators drawing their powers from their own Paths and their statistics increasing drastically after.
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You just deadass dont know how ues works
Voidnether said:
I believe I don't even have to respond to the other person as all the arguments here could easily be debunked solely by the fact that the UES consistency makes it so that 3-B is legit impossible, the threads I've linked earlier should've told you how hard it is to make them be 3-B instead of you know, accepting them as Low 1-C.
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Not how ues works. Ill ise dragon ball as an example. Notice how not everyone with mastery over Ki is 2-C? Because THOSE CHARACTERS NEED FEATS TO SCALE
 
Mbpoops said:
Again WHERE ON THE PAGE DOS IT SAY THIS

Brother we’ve been over this. The ether bath is the sea of quanta durandal does not scale there

Even if she scaled there that scaling would ONLY apply to her not everyone with high level honkai energy thats not how UES works. If that was the case i would make a schrodinger page and make her low 1-C

Not how UES works they still need to perform these feats bruh

You just deadass dont know how ues works

Not how ues works. Ill ise dragon ball as an example. Notice how not everyone with mastery over Ki is 2-C? Because THOSE CHARACTERS NEED FEATS TO SCALE
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Also using dragon ball, notice how not everyone scales to 1C despite zeno being 1C? I mean they use ues right? Maybe because they need to perform feats that scale them to this level because UES doesnt automatically scale you. Same thing with genshin, abyssal energy doesnt scale everyone the same
 
Like im genuienly so confused how you believe high level HE automatically grants low 1-C because if thats the case we might as well grand goku 6D ap because zeno uses ki 😭😭
 
Mbpoops said:
Like im genuienly so confused how you believe high level HE automatically grants low 1-C because if thats the case we might as well grand goku 6D ap because zeno uses ki 😭😭
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Everyone should scale to Gojo because they all use Cursed Energy.

It’s wild how all hsr scale to each other when we have characters like Iron Tomb oneshotting everyone
 
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