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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Dabura is not Top 1.
Until Sukuna or Gojo have any feats or ACTUAL reason to scale to Dabura's full power they're below him and there's nothing you can do about it
Curse Naoya is barely top 20, struggled t
Chapter 149 has Ogi literally confirm that he was comparable to Naobito in capabilties as a sorcerer except the capabilities of his children and that was the only reason Naobito became the leader and not him (even if you disagree with that, he was still a special grade 1 sorcerer, and yes a single slash from Maki does indeed kill that bum naoya aswell btw)..
Except for the literal statement from Gege were he says that Ogi is full of shit and that he's WAY below Naobito, and that Obi doesn't know crap about Naobito's full capabilities
 
Until Sukuna or Gojo have any feats or ACTUAL reason to scale to Dabura's full power they're below him and there's nothing you can do about it
There is a reason, if you can't comprehend it, go back and read the story.

Except for the literal statement from Gege were he says that Ogi is full of shit and that he's WAY below Naobito, and that Obi doesn't know crap about Naobito's full capabilities
Not gonna lie I don't remember this, but regardless:
even if you disagree with that, he was still a special grade 1 sorcerer
 
There is a reason, if you can't comprehend it, go back and read the story.
Or in other words you don't have an actual reason, thanks for confirming it, just like you genuinely believing that Maki and Toji are faster than Naoya and Naobito, when that's never how the series presented the situation, the HR duo is simply superior to them via their strength, toughness and godly senses that makes the PS duo speed advantage way less effective
 
Or in other words you don't have an actual reason, thanks for confirming it
Prove Dabura is superior to them while ignoring the fact that they are straight up said to be comparable and Sukuna has better win-cons from there. "OMG OMG LIGHTSPEED" ? Is that your argument?

just like you genuinely believing that Maki and Toji are faster than Naoya and Naobito, when that's never how the series presented the situation, the HR duo is simply superior to them via their strength, toughness and godly senses that makes the PS duo speed advantage way less effective
Genuine cope for that not even top 20 bum.
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You genuinely scale off vibes. "N-naoya looks fast so my top 20+ bum is faster!!" he gets R/C Speed diff'd by Yuta man.
 
Curse Naoya is barely top 20, struggled to kill Kamo, needed binding vows to damage Awakened Maki
That’s just PIS, it’s already confirmed that CN can one shot Kamo even without PS. Awakened Maki is the most durable character outside of god tiers. Naoya flatlining her for 5 minutes gives him decent strength but the speed is what makes him so dangerous.
got outpaced by maki when she truly realised herself. And is confirmed to be less durable than Hanami.
This is bait, Maki never outpaced him at top speed.
He’s less durable to Hanami when he’s not building speed, while he is building speed his durability is unknown.
Why is Yuki so above Yuta, they are straight up said to be on the same level by Maki.
Maki is a dumbass for starters.
Yuki has a raw strength advantage and the fact that she can turn into a black hole against most foes just make her more likely to beat almost everyone below her.
I should mention that most of the placements aren’t limited to who they lost to but who they could realistically beat. I don’t see Yuki losing to Yuta, or any of the foes above him.
Naobito canonically lost to Dagon. Why is he there. He wasn't holding back against Dagon you know? Same with Naoya as he's straight up just confirmed to be below Naobito.
That was just poor matchup. Naobito 9/10 beat Dagon.
Dagon, imo, is weaker than a majority of people in that tier and I feel like Naobito’s speed advantage would allow him to beat most of the people in that tier. Leaving him below Dagon bc he lost is unfair, considering the circumstances of his loss. If that domain would have never went off then he would have triumphed. Naoya has a speed advantage as well so I ranked him that high.
Jogo's feats to be that high? Please?
Speed advantage 🤧, firepower comparable to 5F Sukuna.
Why is Uro that much above Ryu when they are consistently comparable throughout the 1v1v1, same with Yuta, if anything Ryu is the most durable and has the highest output of all three.
Matchup. Uro hard counters Ryu. Yuta, realistically loses to Ryu 9/10. That play towards the end of their fight was only possible because Uro got her CT copied. Under normal circumstances Yuta would lose to both imo.
What did Miguel do to be so high? Be african?
Glaze 🤧
Uraume and Hakari have 0 wincons against Yuta or any of the actual heavy hitters (not on the list, I mean the actual heavy hitters)
Hakari is physically stronger than Yuta, Uraume is physically comparable to Hakari, and has some attacks that can even one shot him.
Hakari’s immortality just gives him an edge over most of those heavy hitters and Uraume’s range and AP is just hard to deal with without immortality.
Mei Mei is canonically a grade 1, unless you're arguing her crows will literally hit anyone in special grades in an actual fight (it won't) she can't be that high.
She survived fighting Kenjaku. That gotta count for something
Ko-Guy is confirmed to be a grade 2 curse spirit which Gege confirms to be on the level of grade 3-2 sorcerers. He literally can't even be grade 1 level.
The difference between Ko Guy and Shibuya Yuji was skill. It’s implied that in terms of raw physicality they were relative and they were even shown trading blows. Gege on some bs ig. We see on panel that Ko Guy is strong as shit.
Base Kashimo alone would beat the shit out of JP Hakari.
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Dagon is straight up the weakest disaster curse, he is below Hanami.
Don’t know what Hanami’s domain do so I’m ranking him above just bc of that.
Choso has better feats than everyone above him in grade 1 warriors, especially with FRSS.
He doesn’t
Chapter 149 has Ogi literally confirm that he was comparable to Naobito in capabilties as a sorcerer except the capabilities of his children and that was the only reason Naobito became the leader and not him (even if you disagree with that, he was still a special grade 1 sorcerer, and yes a single slash from Maki does indeed kill that bum naoya aswell btw).
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whats stopping gojo from just doing a shinjuku in this situation?
First of all Gojo and Sukuna needed small bit of time to restore CT Burnout even with that new method Gojo developed. That Opening is enough to get hit by Yuji's Domain or Yuji can just spam soul Dismantle on Gojo since infinity wouldn't be working on at that time manually incase Gojo protects himself with SD to survive Yuji's domain.
 
Making his domain smaller, besides do we even have ANY implication that yuji has top tier domain refinement?
Vibes. There's nothing else implying Yuji grew his domain refinement for now. Most we can see is he got kinda good with pb and developed shrine better. I'd be surprised if we find out he can create a domain equal to Gojo's or outright barrierless.
Find it funny he doesn't need domain refinement skills to win against Gojo. Idk why it matters.
 
I doubt Yuji's even fast enough to keep up with Gojo or Sukuna given lack of feats
 
Yuji has no infinity bypass, given he has literally no domain feats past his domain that he used once
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Try better and check what is CT burnout and anti domain techniques are. "Yuji can't bypass infinity" like he can't when Gojo will have CT Burnout.

If we go by latest chapters it does seem like they were planning on using barriers to check and confirm curses throughout the world so can see arguments for his barrier skills improved. He also has Sukuna used his body multiple times which already gives him muscle memory for that. Kusakabe himself is a good at barriers too. His other skills and CE control drastically improved even skills so don't see why only his barrier skills would be still suck. That's seems like a far fetched headcanon and agenda you people are trying to push.
 
Try better and check what is CT burnout and anti domain techniques are. "Yuji can't bypass infinity" like he can't when Gojo will have CT Burnout.

If we go by latest chapters it does seem like they were planning on using barriers to check and confirm curses throughout the world so can see arguments for his barrier skills improved. He also has Sukuna used his body multiple times which already gives him muscle memory for that. Kusakabe himself is a good at barriers too. His other skills and CE control drastically improved even skills so don't see why only his barrier skills would be still suck. That's seems like a far fetched headcanon and agenda you people are trying to push.
yuji had to learn rct and simple domain by swapping with kusakabe, sukuna only gave him his ce. He has no feats to go off of for domain skills so we cannot assume he has improved. CT burnout also is more of a problem for yuji since he most likely doesn't know how to heal his brain
 
I always assumed Gege would just make it out that Yuji got on their level as a calamity but for skill he's still far below. And that's pretty much what happened.
 
It's not destroying the mini domain. Doubt it even destroys regular domain.
An uncontrolled HP was capable of destroying UV despite its power was so weak only gave Sukuna's face some burns you can't be serious on Yuji's 6km range and power can't cut the domain down. Even Megumi was able to put a hole in Dagon (superior opponent) domain when he can touch the corner of domain barrier. So don't see how Gojo's domain which got lesser range than that won't be getting cooked when Yuji can expand his technique to 6km range.
What statements?
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There is also promotion material
 
It's definitely possible that Yuji has some top tier barrier manipulation by Modulo, but it's weird to act like people are dumb by having reservations on it.
Find it funny how people only argument is he shouldn't have barrier skills upgraded when he already had upgraded all others skills has 65 years worth time and going around and cleaning cursed spirits and he only stopped at one point when his friends started getting old and dying. Like you people are acting like he would instantly lose any domain battle he gets into
 
 
That’s just PIS, it’s already confirmed that CN can one shot Kamo even without PS. Awakened Maki is the most durable character outside of god tiers. Naoya flatlining her for 5 minutes gives him decent strength but the speed is what makes him so dangerous.
1. That's IF Kamo doesn't block himself with blood. Regular Blood from Kamo < Regular Blood from Choso < Reinforced Blood < ISBODK Mahito physicals which is consistent with the fact that he notes that Curse Naoya isn't even as tough as Hanami. Naoya is just a bum please stop.
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2. Naoya was not "flatning her for 5 minutes". If you mean the Human Naoya fight you are being genuinely disingenous and using a Maki that didn't have a way to counter or detect Naoya's PS until the very end and was LITERALLY WEAKENED AND SUFFERING OF BLOODLOSS from a fight even as far as OGI.
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This is bait, Maki never outpaced him at top speed.
She did, nice cope though.

He’s less durable to Hanami when he’s not building speed, while he is building speed his durability is unknown.
It was not because he "Builds speed" it's because of a binding vow:
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He literally says normally even regular blood manipulation would harm Curse Naoya which, shock, it does!
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Curse Naoya would genuinely lose to Mahito.

Maki is a dumbass for starters.
Bru

Yuki has a raw strength advantage and the fact that she can turn into a black hole against most foes just make her more likely to beat almost everyone below her.
That's a suicide move, that'd be a draw, not a win.

I should mention that most of the placements aren’t limited to who they lost to but who they could realistically beat. I don’t see Yuki losing to Yuta, or any of the foes above him.
Yuki would indeed lose to Yuta.

That was just poor matchup. Naobito 9/10 beat Dagon.
Literally just untrue but okay.

Dagon, imo, is weaker than a majority of people in that tier and I feel like Naobito’s speed advantage would allow him to beat most of the people in that tier. Leaving him below Dagon bc he lost is unfair, considering the circumstances of his loss. If that domain would have never went off then he would have triumphed. Naoya has a speed advantage as well so I ranked him that high.
Naobito would beat no one in that "heavy hitters list" other than Mei Mei and Ko-Guy.

Speed advantage 🤧, firepower comparable to 5F Sukuna.
Speed advantage on who? A weakened Nanami when a FP Nanami got outpaced by BASE MAHITO? A grade 2 weakened Maki? Half-dead Naobito who wasn't even stronger tham Megumi? Which one? And firepower comparable to 5F Sukuna means nothing considering alot of people are superior to 5F Sukuna aswell lol.

Matchup. Uro hard counters Ryu. Yuta, realistically loses to Ryu 9/10. That play towards the end of their fight was only possible because Uro got her CT copied. Under normal circumstances Yuta would lose to both imo.
How does Uro hard counter Ryu but they were in an equally matched abilities deadlock for alot of time and could not beat one another until Yuta beat Dhruv which made Kurourushi make a move because he was at a disadvantage normally:
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And the reason Yuta needed Uro in the first place was because he was weakened due to domain burnout by that point, normally he would not need it, we see him literally block a granite blast with his own hand and take one with barely any damage:
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And regardless why would Yuta not be able to just spam sky manipulation by that point...? Are you saying your list just ignores that Shinjuku Yuta exists and uses Sendai Yuta?

Miguel glaze is appreciated I guess

Hakari is physically stronger than Yuta, Uraume is physically comparable to Hakari, and has some attacks that can even one shot him.
Hakari’s immortality just gives him an edge over most of those heavy hitters and Uraume’s range and AP is just hard to deal with without immortality.
I'm fine with hakari being physically stronger than Yuta but Yuta quite literally still wins via better speed, abilities and just better fighting skills/strategy. Yuta could honestly just domain + jacob's ladder alone and Hakari is literally dead, Kashimo literally points out the weakness of hakari is that if you just nuke his head/brain quick enough, he WILL die. But even if you don't believe that, Yuta will genuinely stall him until JP ends even better than Kashimo did. Hakari has 0 ways of beating Yuta, not even taking into account that he can just... you know... Rika????

She survived fighting Kenjaku. That gotta count for something
Cmon man so did Kusakabe with Simple Domain and CHOSO.

The difference between Ko Guy and Shibuya Yuji was skill. It’s implied that in terms of raw physicality they were relative and they were even shown trading blows. Gege on some bs ig. We see on panel that Ko Guy is strong as shit.
Yuji literally says the two random curses that go to attack MeiMei were already stronger than the Grasshopper and Mei Mei still says they might be semi-grade 1. And Yuji by that point was still only equal to Nanami in raw striking power yet he was still superior to the Grasshopper. Only end of shibuya yuji gets strong enough to fight Mahito.
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? JP Hakari won on literal fighting enviromental conditions

Don’t know what Hanami’s domain do so I’m ranking him above just bc of that.
Hanami doesn't need domain to beat Dagon.

He doesn’t
Fought Kenjaku and took hits from Sukuna and even a black flash directly with FRSS. That alone puts them above him, dawg even beating Unstacked Naoya is a better feat than what the ones above him did.

Fair enough, still special grade 1 so still above basically most of grade 1.
 
I always assumed Gege would just make it out that Yuji got on their level as a calamity but for skill he's still far below. And that's pretty much what happened.
Yes it's your assumptions. Yuji already had potential to stand with Gojo and Sukuna even before he got pseudo immortality. Idk how you still think he still didn't improved beyond that. Heck don't need to admit beyond them but skill wise matching them wouldn't be far. Send me Sukuna putting his hands in the pocket and spamming 360⁰ dismantle casually like. If you think that's not a good feat even Sukuna never shown idk what else it is you want. Not to mention the fact his dismantle which has 6km range when we already know more distance it travels it's power decreases and fades away as far as we seen it..
 
Find it funny how people only argument is he shouldn't have barrier skills upgraded when he already had upgraded all others skills has 65 years worth time and going around and cleaning cursed spirits and he only stopped at one point when his friends started getting old and dying. Like you people are acting like he would instantly lose any domain battle he gets into
Why are you being disingenuous with other people's statements? No one is saying that Yuji shouldn't have batter barrier skills, what people are saying is that we can't prove what level his skills are at, and more importantly, if they're on the level of Gojo's. Why can't I apply this logic to another character? I could say that Megumi had decades to learn better barrier skills, so his manipulation is at Gojo's level. It's not a statement that can truly be disputed by anything in the series, but it's also not something that necessarily has any real backing. Yuji COULD have the best barrier skills in the manga, but saying that he is absolutely on Gojo's level with barriers isn't something directly provable, meaning that it's not nonsensical for other people to have reservations.
 
yuji had to learn rct and simple domain by swapping with kusakabe, sukuna only gave him his ce. He has no feats to go off of for domain skills so we cannot assume he has improved. CT burnout also is more of a problem for yuji since he most likely doesn't know how to heal his brain
this is like that one video where some guy scrolls through a tiktok account and it just says "if" like 20 times
Yuji didn't learn Shrine from Sukuna he activated it from landing a BF. So your arguments he didn't learn it from muscle memory so it shouldn't be good isn't a counter. His skills gets improved because Sukuna used his body. He has 65 years worth of time. If he is following Gojo's footsteps I don't see he would improve all his skills and leave only domain skills to rot?
 
Yuji didn't learn Shrine from Sukuna he activated it from landing a BF. So your arguments he didn't learn it from muscle memory so it shouldn't be good isn't a counter. His skills gets improved because Sukuna used his body. He has 65 years worth of time. If he is following Gojo's footsteps I don't see he would improve all his skills and leave only domain skills to rot?
are you genuinely trying to imply that black flashes can give someone techniques? Where else would yuji have gotten that technique from??????
 
Why are you being disingenuous with other people's statements? No one is saying that Yuji shouldn't have batter barrier skills, what people are saying is that we can't prove what level his skills are at, and more importantly, if they're on the level of Gojo's. Why can't I apply this logic to another character? I could say that Megumi had decades to learn better barrier skills, so his manipulation is at Gojo's level. It's not a statement that can truly be disputed by anything in the series, but it's also not something that necessarily has any real backing. Yuji COULD have the best barrier skills in the manga, but saying that he is absolutely on Gojo's level with barriers isn't something directly provable, meaning that it's not nonsensical for other people to have reservations.
Does Megumi had statements to potentially rival Gojo without Mahoraga potential? Feel free to post it otherwise you are comparing two different false things.
I didn't even claimed Yuji has best barrier skill set in the verse I'm giving a logical reasoning since he clearly had statements to reach Gojo and Sukuna level should have that and 65 years young immortality and lot of time. He already shown enough stuff which improved and surpasses Sukuna. Heck even has Sukuna's muscle memory.
 
An uncontrolled HP was capable of destroying UV despite its power was so weak only gave Sukuna's face some burns you can't be serious on Yuji's 6km range and power can't cut the domain down.
Are you talking about from inside and Yuta's HP? Not continuing this bad faith presentation of the manga and scaling if you are.

Even Megumi was able to put a hole in Dagon (superior opponent) domain when he can touch the corner of domain barrier. So don't see how Gojo's domain which got lesser range than that won't be getting cooked when Yuji can expand his technique to 6km range.
With his own domain from the outside...

There is also promotion material
Doesn't mean he scales or even relative.

Yes it's your assumptions.
Duh...?

Yuji already had potential to stand with Gojo and Sukuna even before he got pseudo immortality
No?

Idk how you still think he still didn't improved beyond that.
Beyond a big dismantle he has nothing to show.

Send me Sukuna putting his hands in the pocket and spamming 360⁰ dismantle casually like.
He's already shown no hand movements against Kusakabe.

If you think that's not a good feat even Sukuna never shown idk what else it is you want.
Feat Sukuna showed while dying.

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Does Megumi had statements to potentially rival Gojo without Mahoraga potential? Feel free to post it otherwise you are comparing two different false things.
I didn't even claimed Yuji has best barrier skill set in the verse I'm giving a logical reasoning since he clearly had statements to reach Gojo and Sukuna level should have that and 65 years young immortality and lot of time. He already shown enough stuff which improved and surpasses Sukuna. Heck even has Sukuna's muscle memory.
The Domain muscle memory argument probably isn't the best one to use when Sukuna used MS more times in Megumi's body than in Yuji's (twice). Again, no one even disagrees with Yuji possibly being Gojo level with barriers, but when there is nothing onscreen showing his barrier skill, it's okay to not want to go out and say that he's for sure on that level. Surpassing Sukuna in some things doesn't necessarily mean he has in barrier skills, that's not a foolproof argument.
 
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