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Sukuna's CT has layered invisibility, which raiden can't really see.
Who said he'd need to see it to dodge it? He can and has fought opponents he can't see before via prediction, also he can avoid attacks by sensing the displacement of air even if he can't see things.
Wait for supporters at least?
No.
Yes.
Never.
Yeah but he would eventually engage in CQC
Check profile. Sukuna reactions are x15600 faster than his combat speed. And reaction for him covers chanting and stuff. So, unless Raiden somehow intuits that Sukuna is gonna fire WCS before Sukuna himself thinks about using, he is gonna get blitzed by it
Check speed equal rules bro.
1. Site equalizes combat speed, not reaction speed. Every speed value for Raiden decreases to level of combat speed of Sukuna. And Sukuna still remain with his Rela reactions, and FTL WCS.
Lad, reminder there's a rule that any speed facet that would normally NOT be faster than the other character, is basically invalidated. Sukuna's, to be blunt, sus af reactions being quicker dont mean a thing in speed equal because normally Raiden's base speed is still like 50x faster, so in speed equal, you just ignore it because it's loopholing the very thing that let's Sukuna NOT get stomped.
That's covered by combat speed. Reaction is very much not that, at all, where are you getting complex hand motions and chanting at the speed of his quick minute burst pivots from? I
See above.
Oh yes he can see above.
Bro
I mean, Sukuna kinda tuff when it comes to cqc right?
Open Raiden, scroll down to featbox, click scaling & explanations, and then general combat.
I have exactly 2.9 hours on Revengeance, genuinely didn't think a low tier can move like this
I am just gonna wait for JJK sups for this one.
Check the rela feat.
For the record, I don't have goal of giving Sukuna W here. I am just informing you about important facts about WCS speed, and how they would affect match according to my best understanding of speed equal rules. If my understanding of them is incorrect, it's my bad.
I did. We're in a blatant case of hiding the outlier.
I would not call that a fact tbh ngl.
Unless any of Sukuna's speed values can exceed 50c+ normally, you basically ignore them because they're slower normally and you're not supposed treat the handicap as a means to loophole the very reason they do not die via a made up advantage.
It is what it is lad, I can think of literally dozens of issues with it, especially because it wouldn't be "only him" scaling, like let's not pretend otherwise, me and you both know for a fact it drip feeds down to characters who absolutely aren't that fast, even if it's a meaty bit, a handful of times is not like a 50k times.
The easy solution to that is to argue things properly without trying to exploit the only reason there's a match to begin with and there wouldn't be a need. Like how hard is it to do that?
The dude has FTL+ combat speeds. That's not going to work without Sukuna getting a helpless beatdown. Big stomp tbh. Best to make it speed equal or no match or prequel.
Ight, not delving into that mess fs.
Might be pretty difficult to do if the opponent is inconceivably faster. You can't have a fight with a character having no way to defend or fight back meaningfully, then that just becomes a stomp. Even if you increase the distance, the guy has Supersonic travel speed and MHS+ with bursts. On paper this is not it. Have Sukuna start off with Mahoraga and maybe this can be a discussion.
Not in speed equal if you argued it like normal. It'd be quicker in RM, but 10x isn't inconceivable. A major issue to be sure tho.
Shrine.
I mean he def ain't winning 90% of the time but win cons there.
Actually he has supersonic travel speed, MHS+ in bursts, and then FTL/MFTL in Ripper Mode. Every speed value is comparable in RM.
You'd legit better off giving him prior knowledge so he knows to never get within like 100m of Raiden, Maho doesn't actually do anything given Raiden has the funny bonk stick to send his ass back to the shadow realm and Fugas in pocket. Tbh without those two he wouldn't really have much of a way to put him down but he has two easy instant incap/kill options.
Raiden has invul negation?
Hold up, I might be lost. We are agreeing to keep speed equal right? Because Sukuna's accepted combat speed is around Hypersonic while Raiden is FTL+. Going off the differences on the profiles that would give us about a 6 millionish difference in combat speed. Unless I'm seeing things wrong these guys cannot be throwing any sort of hands without Sukuna getting turned into fresh paint. That is beyond inconceivable.
From here I'm just going to assume that we are alright with speed equal. Those slashes might leave some small cuts all over his body and that stuff is more of a hindrance than you think. A danmaku of attacks constantly wearing him down. Yeah he has healing, but that is still going to be a pretty good disturbance.
Yeah I see them. Raiden just has more versatility and better stats, which does not look good on paper and is almost like a hidden stomp. Domain and WCS are hard carrying this match from being sent to the depths.
Shoot, give him both. He only loses 60% of the time now. With that crazy travel speed even with speed equal he is closing that distance effortlessly.
Doesn't need to deal physical damage when he can BFR it with a bonk. Invul
Are you talking about this?
Not if I keep hearing this blatant exploitation no.
Except people are in real time arguing it as combat speed. Take it up with others, not me.
And about a 20x for WCS and shit, so?
Hey I ain't the person arguing the loopholes, if it was up to me I'd just go "they're equal but Raiden is quicker normally so he gets his 10x amp".
Against the dude with layers of analytical prediction resistance? Bro Raiden is going to predict his predictions. Like please say sike, nothing in JJK is even predicting Akiba here let alone Raiden.
No it isn't? He can survive complete bodily mutilation just fine, doesn't feel pain, and has multiple healing agents that heal far worse at a atomic scale. You could rip his guts out and crush his heart and he would literally get a hard on from t.
No it won't.
Realize? Why does he get to realize anything? Raiden can 10x speed burst in, has multiple tools to cover dozens of meters instantly like Dystopia or falling lightning, and his attacks are basically quantum AOE at 30m range. OP has 40m for whatever reason, that is a simply 10m dash then he can instant kill Sukuna.
I mean you just gave reason why it isn't a stomp in the same sentence you called it one
It is what it is.
If it's any consolation I told Omega off in chat he should've asked before making this shit because ngl I DON'T think it's fair but, like, ya'll already argued otherwise my hand is forced.
Ok so you just locked in it's not a stomp, good job.
Yes bonk stick.
It is listed as combat speed though. I am also sure that profile was your revision too. Man, you and I both know that the speed difference is wonky and unfair. Raiden is giving him an undisputed belt in CQC and Sukuna cannot defend against it.
Yup, but that would be like ignoring chants and being an absolute statue to Raiden. Forget about the previous distance setup I mentioned earlier, because Shrine only operates at tens of meters. None of its showings bring it to 100 m with Cleave, though I could be wrong, someone can fact check me. So the fight has to be closer for any real action to happen. Plus Raiden can cover a 100 m distance in about 0.29 s, not accounting for Ripper Mode btw. What is WCS at this point, I guess we will never know.
We clearly see that this match is not for Sukuna. At this point just go for Pochita if you are looking for a somewhat closer matchup, though it is not that interesting because of Raiden's blitz amp shenanigans. But Pochita is around 7-B and FTL, and as I said that is still very iffy. That speaks volumes.
No dwg, this is a speed stomp.I mean you just gave reason why it isn't a stomp in the same sentence you called it one
It is what it is.
It's not too late Chariot...close ts.
I mean we're never getting in that domain though. Atp I need you to give your def of a stomp
No it isn't?
Last I checked I haven't made any JJK CRTs, but that's going to change sooner or later ig.
This is correct. Best not enter CQC then.
Have you really not been following the fact that someone, in real time, has been arguing shit like "the chants are rel", which like, according to the blatantly incorrect profile, they'd have to be given he does them in the same window as his alleged 15,000x faster """"""reaction"""""" speed, according to the very feat being calced to begin with?
"Hundreds of Meters with Malevolent Shrine (200m)" - literally the profile?
You could just read the profile? The profile has links to this?
That's just straight up false, Shrine does have 200m AOE, Fuga does have a hefty range too, dismantle and cleave also have aight range. Now whether or not Sukuna can keep him out is a different question altogether, but Sukuna has long ranged options.
Shorter, he wouldn't Ninja Run at this distance, he'd jump or something. But why's this matter? Like maybe if you argued FL or Dystopia but why are you arguing his RUN speed as the issue here instead of the actual issues? Sukuna normally could react to him just running.
A funny spatial hax slash?
Then why did you start arguing it, like lil late now you already argued wincons.
Pochita would be legitimately act as borderline spite, worse case scenario, bonk stick, best case scenario, like 10 methods that instant one shot far beyond his regen.
It actually is given you've actively argued for Sukuna, ya 180'd thrice and argued for him, and legit on record said Shrine+Cuts wears him down and wins
Other character has zero win conditions or can never actually do said win condition, that or their wincon is something they would never do (like Batman straight up sliming a mf). I have SEEN people in this forum, argue shit like Shrine leads or WCS leads, pretty sure I can find you agreeing with them even.I mean we're never getting in that domain though. Atp I need you to give your def of a stomp
He has layered prediction?Not if I keep hearing this blatant exploitation no.
Except people are in real time arguing it as combat speed. Take it up with others, not me.
And about a 20x for WCS and shit, so?
Hey I ain't the person arguing the loopholes, if it was up to me I'd just go "they're equal but Raiden is quicker normally so he gets his 10x amp".
Against the dude with layers of analytical prediction resistance? Bro Raiden is going to predict his predictions. Like please say sike, nothing in JJK is even predicting Akiba here let alone Raiden.
No it isn't? He can survive complete bodily mutilation just fine, doesn't feel pain, and has multiple healing agents that heal far worse at a atomic scale. You could rip his guts out and crush his heart and he would literally get a hard on from t.
No it won't.
Like tell me you didn't read the profile without reading it
There's literally gifs of Raiden being skewered dozens of times straight through his body, and then getting right back up, and you're arguing a lot of chip damage is going to impede him in a stat amp? It won't even faze him.
Realize? Why does he get to realize anything? Raiden can 10x speed burst in, has multiple tools to cover dozens of meters instantly like Dystopia or falling lightning, and his attacks are basically quantum AOE at 30m range. OP has 40m for whatever reason, that is a simply 10m dash then he can instant kill Sukuna.
I mean you just gave reason why it isn't a stomp in the same sentence you called it one
It is what it is.
If it's any consolation I told Omega off in chat he should've asked before making this shit because ngl I DON'T think it's fair but, like, ya'll already argued otherwise my hand is forced.
Ok so you just locked in it's not a stomp, good job.
Raiden hits him with Dystopia, throws portable fugas at him, swings his blade once and does shrine back to him, or all of the above at the same time because he's 10m faster with RM, which ALSO buffs his stats mind you, so cleaves ain't really doing shit to the dude can be gutted, gored, turned into a disembodied brain and still survive, or taking numerous cuts and slashes from things that actually can hurt him and not flinch.
