Mega Man Battle Network & Star Force Tier Revision

[AlloyAmi]

The problem is that is not related to AP. Redips' power being declared supreme in the context of the game is due to the fact that Supra-Force Metal grants him an unlimited regeneration capacity, which allows him to regenerate all his life during each turn of the game. Great Redips only has a power of 200, which is slightly higher than his base form, who has a power of 178. For comparison, the most powerful character in the game, Ninetails, has a power of 400. So, the strongest character AP wise in the X timeline would be Ninetails.

i havent played command mission in its entirety so i may get some stuff wrong and while thats a fair point tbf isnt he amped by 2 different supra force metals which are massively above standard ones which alone revolutionized/amplified reploid stats and engineering to to new levels, and only one of the 2 is what gave him the healing which they had to remove to win. however he was still a very extremely powerful foe with still 1 supra force metal left powering his attacks and was still enough to have him in the same transformation. not sure if the stats should be taken that literal for great redips only being slightly stronger because they likely still want a balanced final boss considering you fight him immediately after. even when you defeat him he still notes how he views the transformations power alone without the healing to stuff be like "gods power". I don't know much about ninetales either outside of it being a post game superboss, so im unsure of that strength literally carries over the final boss itself. not saying its out of the question and ninetales should still have higher end scaling, but i feel like thats a detail that should be noted as it might potentially just be a gameplay thing similar to smt v where matter lucifer is the final boss but post game superbosses that are very much narratively weaker then the final boss are way stronger in gameplay like satan

Now I need 2-B Zero

already exists

 

[Maestro_Churches]

i havent played command mission in its entirety so i may get some stuff wrong and while thats a fair point tbf isnt he amped by 2 different supra force metals which are massively above standard ones which alone revolutionized/amplified reploid stats and engineering to to new levels, and only one of the 2 is what gave him the healing which they had to remove to win. however he was still a very extremely powerful foe with still 1 supra force metal left powering his attacks and was still enough to have him in the same transformation. not sure if the stats should be taken that literal for great redips only being slightly stronger because they likely still want a balanced final boss considering you fight him immediately after. even when you defeat him he still notes how he views the transformations power alone without the healing to stuff be like "gods power". I don't know much about ninetales either outside of it being a post game superboss, so im unsure of that strength literally carries over the final boss itself. not saying its out of the question and ninetales should still have higher end scaling, but i feel like thats a detail that should be noted as it might potentially just be a gameplay thing similar to smt v where matter lucifer is the final boss but post game superbosses that are very much narratively weaker then the final boss are way stronger in gameplay like satan

already exists

Regardless, how should this thread be handled? Removing Gospel's feat and changing the profiles to 3-A (until you make your CRT) right away, or closing this thread and putting all information in another CRT?

 

[AlloyAmi]

id make the profiles high 6-a because its the most baseline the statements can get the cyberworld without the calc and we technically addressed the cyberworld being a universe here so the evidence on the page isnt valid nor is that any re placement but im not sure if a new crt is needed for that.

honestly i think the battle network side of the verse just needs a full cleaning, most of the pages are both barebones and a composite mess, so for now we should focus on megaman.exe primarily and id really just say delete the rest to be later remade. i can make a really quick peusdo merg of what we have on the profile now with chaos jesters sandbox as a placeholder for exe for now along with the suggestions on this thread. i also have plans on a major speed revision as well, but its fairly clear cut.

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

Simple enough, agree.

 

[Ovrhide]

Weren’t BN God tiers 3-A before anyways?

I do agree with removing tier 2.

I agree with tier 3, seems like the cyberworld is a universe, not a multiverse. And certainly isn’t treated as only planet in size.

dont agree that starforce should scale higher tho. Battle network god tiers are just absurd outliers that dont scale to anything within the verse itself, being so far above the norm nothing comes close to even grasping a fraction of their power in BN. So while I generally agree SF characters do scale above BN, I don’t for god tiers.

 

[AlloyAmi]

bn "god tiers" are constantly powercrept lol, exe gets a lot strong every game. even before 2 he already powercreeps the hub.bat amp in base. the main character with a scaling feat in the series is bass and exe just outright beats an amped version of him at the end of 3. theres also a feat of similar capacity in one of the obscure mobile games. besides that the bosses arent anything notable in terms of actual feats outside of being strong.

cyberworld being a universe is very unsubstantiated and the games put it pretty clear in your face its meant to parallel the planet, which is even a detail kept consistent basically among the entire series and even different continuities, and the obscure canon mobile games that take place in between certain games even have further evidence pointing towards this. I have a blog thats going to fully explain bn capping at 6-5 along with the cosmology but ive been heavily procrastinating it, the thread for it will come soon enough, though i have plans to downgrade starforce before that.

I also think starforce should scale stronger not only through literal feats but through apollo and general series lore, it doesnt make sense for any of the bn bosses to be above the big starforce ones.

 

[Firestorm808]

What's the consensus so far?

Has the Cosmology been revised prior to scaling revisions?

 

[AlloyAmi]

What's the consensus so far?

Has the Cosmology been revised prior to scaling revisions?

no cuz i havent really worked on the blog that will technically "upgrade" it,

for a placeholder, the scaling on all battle network profiles should be replaced with high 6-a for now as it at bare minimum parallels the surface of the planet, and you can say x2 that value because the undernet does too and that could get the scaling a little higher (idk if its tiers higher or still high 6-a).

 

[Ovrhide]

gameplay thing similar to smt v where matter lucifer is the final boss but post game superbosses that are very much narratively weaker then the final boss are way stronger in gameplay like satan

already exists

bad point with this one since narratively Satan is above matter Lucifer blatantly.

 

[AlloyAmi]

bad point with this one since narratively Satan is above matter Lucifer blatantly.

bit of a derail but no thats blatantly wrong?? Matter Lucifer fights a post throne Nahobino, Satan fights a separate pre throne nahobino from another universe. its directly noted NG+ nahobino is a different one.

 

[Firestorm808]

Any updates regarding the cosmology?

 

[AlloyAmi]

Any updates regarding the cosmology?

ive calculated its size, and i got a destruction feat of high 6-a accepted by a calcer, though im planning to make an entirely new crt regarding it which ill link once i finish that

 

[Ovrhide]

bit of a derail but no thats blatantly wrong?? Matter Lucifer fights a post throne Nahobino, Satan fights a separate pre throne nahobino from another universe. its directly noted NG+ nahobino is a different one.

Lucifer is noted to be nothing to the system. Satan is the judge of the whole system, while Lucifer only managed to free one universe. That’s blatantly part of the whole quest.

Time placement matters not. Smt4A’s DLC is a good example of that.

Anyways, you are objectively wrong on that.

 

[Firestorm808]

Any updates?

 

[Firestorm808]

For now, is it agreeable between members here that the currently listed feat of merging the Cyber and Material world does not involve two separate space-time continuums?

@Reiner04 @DarkDragonMedeus Your input is appreciated.

 

[AlloyAmi]

Lucifer is noted to be nothing to the system. Satan is the judge of the whole system, while Lucifer only managed to free one universe. That’s blatantly part of the whole quest.

Time placement matters not. Smt4A’s DLC is a good example of that.

Anyways, you are objectively wrong on that.

Yeah this is just wrong but this is not the thread for this.

For now it it agreeable between members here that the currently listed feat of merging the Cyber and Material world does not involve two separate space-time continuums?

@Reiner04 @DarkDragonMedeus Your input is appreciated.

Yeah, nobody buys that feat anymore. regarding updates, I just haven't been working on stuff due to being busy. I'll link the new thread i plan to make when its ready.